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  • Chaos81
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    • Mar 2004
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    #16
    Re: 2013-14 Hot Stove League Thread

    Royals willing to listen to offers for Billy Butler according to Buster Olney. Definitely fine with trading him, but I don't think he'll bring back much.

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    • SPTO
      binging
      • Feb 2003
      • 68046

      #17
      Re: 2013-14 Hot Stove League Thread

      Originally posted by Chaos81
      Wow. No wonder he was quick to sign with SF.
      Well, I guess he doesn't have to worry about trade rumors over the next two seasons. Maybe that's one (of the many) reasons why he's been so up and down lately.
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      • Sportsforever
        NL MVP
        • Mar 2005
        • 20368

        #18
        Re: 2013-14 Hot Stove League Thread

        Originally posted by Chaos81
        Wow. No wonder he was quick to sign with SF.
        Wow...what a head scratcher. WTH did they sign him for $17M/per WITH a full no trade clause this early in the offseason? Am I missing something?
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        • brett the jet favre
          MVP
          • Nov 2009
          • 1938

          #19
          Re: 2013-14 Hot Stove League Thread

          Originally posted by Chaos81
          Royals willing to listen to offers for Billy Butler according to Buster Olney. Definitely fine with trading him, but I don't think he'll bring back much.
          Wonder if the M's will finally go after him? Maybe if Morales gets signed, doubtful though.
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          • Marino
            Moderator
            • Jan 2008
            • 18113

            #20
            Re: 2013-14 Hot Stove League Thread

            Originally posted by The Kid 24
            Except he is a second baseman and we already have our SS.

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            • The Kid 24
              It's Show Time!
              • Jan 2007
              • 14762

              #21
              Re: 2013-14 Hot Stove League Thread

              Originally posted by Marino
              Except he is a second baseman and we already have our SS.
              Seager right? I forgot about him.
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              • Travis40
                MVP
                • Nov 2008
                • 1651

                #22
                Re: 2013-14 Hot Stove League Thread

                Originally posted by Chaos81
                Royals willing to listen to offers for Billy Butler according to Buster Olney. Definitely fine with trading him, but I don't think he'll bring back much.
                I wouldn't mind a Kinsler/Butler trade from the Rangers side. Not too sure how Royals fans would feel about it.

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                • snepp
                  We'll waste him too.
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 10007

                  #23
                  Re: 2013-14 Hot Stove League Thread

                  I don't get the Lincecum thing. If they were willing to give him that much dough they should have just given him the qualifying offer. If he accepts, nothing is lost as they were willing to give him a contract anyway. If he declines they get a nice comp pick if he signs elsewhere, or leverage for re-signing him when other teams become leery of losing a pick.
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                  • jth1331
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 1060

                    #24
                    Re: 2013-14 Hot Stove League Thread

                    I...I just don't know what to think of the MLB anymore seeing Lincecum sign a 2 year, $35 million deal.
                    I mean, I guess the flashes here and there the Giants thought he could regain his form?
                    I gotta imagine though that is $35 mil better spent elsewhere. And then you gotta look for impending free agent pitchers, a guy coming off a negative back to back WAR seasons just got $17 mil a year...
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                    • brett the jet favre
                      MVP
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 1938

                      #25
                      Re: 2013-14 Hot Stove League Thread

                      Would of liked Lincecum as a M, but not for that price, I kinda hope a team signs Morales and we can pick up Butler in a trade, but i doubt Morales gets signed by anyone other than the M's.
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                      • AC
                        Win the East
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 14951

                        #26
                        Re: 2013-14 Hot Stove League Thread

                        Originally posted by jth1331
                        I gotta imagine though that is $35 mil better spent elsewhere. And then you gotta look for impending free agent pitchers, a guy coming off a negative back to back WAR seasons just got $17 mil a year...
                        You're using BR's WAR, though. fWAR has him at 2.1 over the past two years, and while that's still a good amount of money to pay a guy who's performed at that level, with the possibility that a ton of money is coming into the game from the TV revenue, it may not be outrageous.

                        I much prefer fWAR to rWAR as rWAR uses a runs scored basis in their calculation, whereas fWAR uses FIP, and RS has been shown to regress to FIP over time I believe. Lincecum has posted xFIPs of 3.82 and 3.56 the past two years, 2% and 6% better than league average. This, coupled with his age, his resume, his durability and his very nice Steamer projection probably make him worth the money. The 2 year term is certainly ideal as well. Only thing that gives me pause is the 2 MPH velocity drop off in the past two years.
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                        • WaitTilNextYear
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                          • Mar 2013
                          • 16830

                          #27
                          Re: 2013-14 Hot Stove League Thread

                          In no way, shape, or form does Lincecum's recent performance justify $17MM/year. That's silly. Sure he's a fan fave and shows flashes of what he used to be, but c'mon. I think more than anything, this signing just shows us that the economics of baseball are very healthy right now......or very unsustainable.
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                          • kjtrippe
                            Rookie
                            • Jun 2012
                            • 335

                            #28
                            Re: 2013-14 Hot Stove League Thread

                            Any news on Brian McCann? I'm having no luck finding any rumors.

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                            • Sportsforever
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                              • Mar 2005
                              • 20368

                              #29
                              Re: 2013-14 Hot Stove League Thread

                              I'm curious...does anyone sign Ozzie Guillen or are his managing days done?
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                              • Travis40
                                MVP
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 1651

                                #30
                                Re: 2013-14 Hot Stove League Thread

                                Originally posted by kjtrippe
                                Any news on Brian McCann? I'm having no luck finding any rumors.
                                Sounds like Atlanta won't make much of an effort signing him. Likely destinations are Texas, Boston, the Yankees, Cubs, and Angels. Blue Jays and White Sox are darkhorses.

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