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[Majingir]

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So apparently June 21 the league will start handing out suspensions for pitchers using foreign substances.

Who gets caught first?


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What I want to know is why does it take a week to implement it?

A new thing being added to the banned substance list is one thing because some guys might be taking medicine which has stuff, and it could still be in their body for days.

But putting something on your hand, does it take a week for guys to wash their hands enough that theres no residue on it?

[canes21]

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What I want to know is why does it take a week to implement it?

A new thing being added to the banned substance list is one thing because some guys might be taking medicine which has stuff, and it could still be in their body for days.

But putting something on your hand, does it take a week for guys to wash their hands enough that theres no residue on it?

You gotta let everyone get a start without the stuff on their hands before the rule is implemented so people are a tad less likely to point towards the immediately lower spin rates in their 1st starts with the rule change.

The MLB us botching this entire thing, unsurprisingly. What you do is create your own substance that is legal for all to use. Something giving them some aid with their grip and control, but not something as overpowering as Spider Tack.

Then you make the penalty for using a banned substance an outrageous entire season suspension. If you want to deter people from cheating, you make the known punishment harsh. A 10-day, or 2 start, suspension isn't going to deter every guy out there. There will still be some thinking it is worth trying to get away with.

You threaten all of the pitchers with an entire 365 day suspension from being able to play in an MLB game and the number of guys on the fence thinking it may still be worth cheating is instantly significantly lower.

[Majingir]

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You gotta let everyone get a start without the stuff on their hands before the rule is implemented so people are a tad less likely to point towards the immediately lower spin rates in their 1st starts with the rule change.

The MLB us botching this entire thing, unsurprisingly. What you do is create your own substance that is legal for all to use. Something giving them some aid with their grip and control, but not something as overpowering as Spider Tack.

Then you make the penalty for using a banned substance an outrageous entire season suspension. If you want to deter people from cheating, you make the known punishment harsh. A 10-day, or 2 start, suspension isn't going to deter every guy out there. There will still be some thinking it is worth trying to get away with.

You threaten all of the pitchers with an entire 365 day suspension from being able to play in an MLB game and the number of guys on the fence thinking it may still be worth cheating is instantly significantly lower.

Even steroids it was a similar story. The suspensions should've been stricter.

Why would someone care as much if they get caught if the suspension is missing a season, when taking steroids has helped them make millions of dollars for multiple seasons prior to that.

[reyes the roof]

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Tyler Glasnow is saying not being able to use anything on the baseball led to him injuring his elbow

https://twitter.com/GraceRemiWTSP/status/1404920512225189896?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[kehlis]

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What I want to know is why does it take a week to implement it?

Umpires haven't been trained to look for everything that will now be against the rules (sunscreen as an example).

You don't implement something new in any workplace and expect the employees to be able to implement it in a day.

[Majingir]

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Umpires haven't been trained to look for everything that will now be against the rules (sunscreen as an example).

You don't implement something new in any workplace and expect the employees to be able to implement it in a day.

For the sunscreen one, is it all sunscreen, or sunscreen in combination with other stuff?

[KSUowls]

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Tyler Glasnow is saying not being able to use anything on the baseball led to him injuring his elbow
https://twitter.com/GraceRemiWTSP/st...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

This quote got me.

. I'm frustrated that they don't understand how hard it is to pitch, and to tell us to do something completely different in the middle of the season is insane. It's ridiculous.

Hasn't there always been a rule against foreign substances?

[kehlis]

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For the sunscreen one, is it all sunscreen, or sunscreen in combination with other stuff?

Can no longer be used in combination with the rosin bag, or maybe not at all, it's hard to interpret their wording and it can't be used at all in night games or in domed stadiums (makes sense).

The rosin bag itself now needs to be examined prior to the game by the umpire. Not sure what they are looking for but my point is these are the reasons it takes more than one day to implement an extreme change.

[canes21]

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This quote got me.







Hasn't there always been a rule against foreign substances?

There's a reason we pay to see these guys play a game and not be critical thinkers.

Also, does a rule really exist if it isn't enforced?

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[kehlis]

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This quote got me.



Hasn't there always been a rule against foreign substances?

Has sunscreen always been considered a foreign substance?

Seems like something they would put on naturally without thinking twice when it's needed.

[TheMatrix31]

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Remember guys, arbitrarily chopping 20 percent of the games for no reason at all if there just so happens to be a need to play two games in one day and creating runners out of thin air without working for them just because it's extra innings now are no problem at all but FOREIGN SUBSTANCES are the scourge of our time.

I just wanna know how and why this becomes such a heated and huge and urgent problem in what seems like a matter of days out of nowhere.

It seems like yet another instance of manufactured "problems "and prescribed "fixes" to problems that don't exist, thereby creating more or worse problems. I shouldn't be surprised because I know it's how it is in every walk of life nowadays. Baseball has been doing this **** for years.



****ing stupid ****ing league and fans and media and players and owners.

[Blzer]

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I say no to it all. Juiced baseballs, foreign substances, and Manfred's rule changes (most of them, at least).

[Master Live 013]

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Basically, MLB thinks pitchers are too dominant. Changing the ball doesn't really work because it doesn't changes the approach at the plate for hitters (going for the HR) and the ball will travel less or more but they still won't care about striking out.

I really don't care much about it, if its really as prevalent as they say and useful as they say, ok then deal with it.

But this is an instance of something that feels manufactured.

Then again, I never had a problem with pitchers dominating.

[Blzer]

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Basically, MLB thinks pitchers are too dominant. Changing the ball doesn't really work because it doesn't changes the approach at the plate for hitters (going for the HR) and the ball will travel less or more but they still won't care about striking out.

They'll care when they're not hitting the ball out, they're not getting on base, and they're not getting paid.

[Master Live 013]

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The thing that bothers me the most about all of this is the feeling that Manfred waited until the season to address this. Are we to believe that pitchers got together during the offseason and decided to "go for it" with "foreign substances" in 2021? Like, hasn't there be rumblings about this for some time now? How incompetent can you be.