What current players are going into Hall of Fame?

[GCrusher23]

Re: What current players are going into Hall of Fame?

Bobby Abreu needs to take off soon if he wants to be a HOFer. He's certainly an annual all-star caliber player, he is severely underrated and over looked. Same goes with McGriff.

[Misfit]

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There are a lot of good names out there, but these so-called "locks" I disagree with are:

Jason Giambi - has knee problems already and only has 277 career home rus at age 33. He's practically strictly a DH at this point and I don't think he'll last long enough for 500.

Gary Sheffield - good player but again his numbers just aren't HOF worthy, especially for his position. He's 35 and has yet to hit homerun number 400. If he can maintain his .298 career average, and even boost it to .300 and somehow manage to hit 500 homers I think he'll have a shot but its not lookin' good.

Edgar Martinez - he's been a DH too long and some purists may exclude him for that. And based on pure numbers he isn't hallf of fame calibre. He won't even reach 400 homers let alone 500 and his career RBI totals aren't very good. If he's going to get in it will be because of his .314 career average.

Jeff Bagwell - out of the four, he has the best shot. He current has 424 homers and over 1400 RBI's for his career and he is right at .300. He also has over 1400 K's in his career and plays first base which might hurt him. If he can maintain his level of play until he retires at the end of his contract then I think he gets in, but not on the first ballot. If he can manage to reach 500 home runs then he definitly gets in.

Frank Thomas - also has a pretty good chance. His numbers are very similar to Bagwell's (both have the same amount of home runs actually). His strikout numbers are better and his career average sits at .309 and is likely to go down as he plays on. He is currently 35 and has proven he's still capable of 40 home runs in a season. If he can make it to 500 then he gets in, maybe not on the first ballot but he'll make it. He's had some off season totals so who knows if he gets to 500 since he for some reason only hit 15 in 1999 but then bounced back to hit 43 in 2000, which is just plain odd. When one takes into consideration his MVP awards in the 90's, he really dominated the scene throughout the 90's hitting for both average and power, his chances get better. I think, like Bagwell, that he will eventually get in.

[Misfit]

Re: What current players are going into Hall of Fame?

There are a lot of good names out there, but these so-called "locks" I disagree with are:

Jason Giambi - has knee problems already and only has 277 career home rus at age 33. He's practically strictly a DH at this point and I don't think he'll last long enough for 500.

Gary Sheffield - good player but again his numbers just aren't HOF worthy, especially for his position. He's 35 and has yet to hit homerun number 400. If he can maintain his .298 career average, and even boost it to .300 and somehow manage to hit 500 homers I think he'll have a shot but its not lookin' good.

Edgar Martinez - he's been a DH too long and some purists may exclude him for that. And based on pure numbers he isn't hallf of fame calibre. He won't even reach 400 homers let alone 500 and his career RBI totals aren't very good. If he's going to get in it will be because of his .314 career average.

Jeff Bagwell - out of the four, he has the best shot. He current has 424 homers and over 1400 RBI's for his career and he is right at .300. He also has over 1400 K's in his career and plays first base which might hurt him. If he can maintain his level of play until he retires at the end of his contract then I think he gets in, but not on the first ballot. If he can manage to reach 500 home runs then he definitly gets in.

Frank Thomas - also has a pretty good chance. His numbers are very similar to Bagwell's (both have the same amount of home runs actually). His strikout numbers are better and his career average sits at .309 and is likely to go down as he plays on. He is currently 35 and has proven he's still capable of 40 home runs in a season. If he can make it to 500 then he gets in, maybe not on the first ballot but he'll make it. He's had some off season totals so who knows if he gets to 500 since he for some reason only hit 15 in 1999 but then bounced back to hit 43 in 2000, which is just plain odd. When one takes into consideration his MVP awards in the 90's, he really dominated the scene throughout the 90's hitting for both average and power, his chances get better. I think, like Bagwell, that he will eventually get in.

[Misfit]

Re: What current players are going into Hall of Fame?

There are a lot of good names out there, but these so-called "locks" I disagree with are:

Jason Giambi - has knee problems already and only has 277 career home rus at age 33. He's practically strictly a DH at this point and I don't think he'll last long enough for 500.

Gary Sheffield - good player but again his numbers just aren't HOF worthy, especially for his position. He's 35 and has yet to hit homerun number 400. If he can maintain his .298 career average, and even boost it to .300 and somehow manage to hit 500 homers I think he'll have a shot but its not lookin' good.

Edgar Martinez - he's been a DH too long and some purists may exclude him for that. And based on pure numbers he isn't hallf of fame calibre. He won't even reach 400 homers let alone 500 and his career RBI totals aren't very good. If he's going to get in it will be because of his .314 career average.

Jeff Bagwell - out of the four, he has the best shot. He current has 424 homers and over 1400 RBI's for his career and he is right at .300. He also has over 1400 K's in his career and plays first base which might hurt him. If he can maintain his level of play until he retires at the end of his contract then I think he gets in, but not on the first ballot. If he can manage to reach 500 home runs then he definitly gets in.

Frank Thomas - also has a pretty good chance. His numbers are very similar to Bagwell's (both have the same amount of home runs actually). His strikout numbers are better and his career average sits at .309 and is likely to go down as he plays on. He is currently 35 and has proven he's still capable of 40 home runs in a season. If he can make it to 500 then he gets in, maybe not on the first ballot but he'll make it. He's had some off season totals so who knows if he gets to 500 since he for some reason only hit 15 in 1999 but then bounced back to hit 43 in 2000, which is just plain odd. When one takes into consideration his MVP awards in the 90's, he really dominated the scene throughout the 90's hitting for both average and power, his chances get better. I think, like Bagwell, that he will eventually get in.

[Surfsup009]

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BraveWayne said:
Andruw Jones has got to be considered a near-lock. He's got around 250 HR's and he's only 27. Even if he never realizes his full offensive potential, he's still going to end up with HOF numbers.

My locks/near-locks: Randy Johnson, Roberto Alomar, Chipper Jones, Andruw Jones, Greg Maddux, Sammy Sosa, Ken Griffey Jr., Barry Larkin, Todd Helton, Roger Clemens, Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio, Tom Glavine, Mike Piazza, Jim Thome, Trever Hoffman, Barry Bonds, Vladimir Guerrero, Rafael Palmeiro, Pedro Martinez, Nomar Garciaparra, Manny Ramirez, Frank Thomas, Ivan Rodriguez, Mariano Rivera, Jason Giambi, Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter, Gary Sheffield, Edgar Martinez.

Possible: John Smoltz, Larry Walker, Bobby Abreu, Jim Edmonds, Scott Rolen, Brian Giles, Miguel Tejada, Javy Lopez, Curt Schilling, Magglio Ordonez, Juan Gonzalez, Kevin Brown, Mike Mussina, John Olerud, Carlos Delgado.

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While this is a solid list, there are some guys that may be questionable. Helton won't make it because he plays at Coors Field. I don't think many of the HOF voters will tkae his numbers too seriously. Biggio is on the cusp, because he is a middle infielder, and they usually ned to lead there teams to some success in the post season. We all know that Houston has never won a playoff series. It may take him 5-10 years before he gets in. Andruw Jones is one of the best defensive CF of all time, but he really has to start getting those offensive numbers up. What's so crazy about him is that he seams to be getting worse at the plate as he gets older rather than better. His SO's have been going up while his average has been going down the past few years. I'll always question Palmeiro, but that's just me. Again, it's a good list.

[Surfsup009]

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BraveWayne said:
Andruw Jones has got to be considered a near-lock. He's got around 250 HR's and he's only 27. Even if he never realizes his full offensive potential, he's still going to end up with HOF numbers.

My locks/near-locks: Randy Johnson, Roberto Alomar, Chipper Jones, Andruw Jones, Greg Maddux, Sammy Sosa, Ken Griffey Jr., Barry Larkin, Todd Helton, Roger Clemens, Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio, Tom Glavine, Mike Piazza, Jim Thome, Trever Hoffman, Barry Bonds, Vladimir Guerrero, Rafael Palmeiro, Pedro Martinez, Nomar Garciaparra, Manny Ramirez, Frank Thomas, Ivan Rodriguez, Mariano Rivera, Jason Giambi, Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter, Gary Sheffield, Edgar Martinez.

Possible: John Smoltz, Larry Walker, Bobby Abreu, Jim Edmonds, Scott Rolen, Brian Giles, Miguel Tejada, Javy Lopez, Curt Schilling, Magglio Ordonez, Juan Gonzalez, Kevin Brown, Mike Mussina, John Olerud, Carlos Delgado.

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While this is a solid list, there are some guys that may be questionable. Helton won't make it because he plays at Coors Field. I don't think many of the HOF voters will tkae his numbers too seriously. Biggio is on the cusp, because he is a middle infielder, and they usually ned to lead there teams to some success in the post season. We all know that Houston has never won a playoff series. It may take him 5-10 years before he gets in. Andruw Jones is one of the best defensive CF of all time, but he really has to start getting those offensive numbers up. What's so crazy about him is that he seams to be getting worse at the plate as he gets older rather than better. His SO's have been going up while his average has been going down the past few years. I'll always question Palmeiro, but that's just me. Again, it's a good list.

[Surfsup009]

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BraveWayne said:
Andruw Jones has got to be considered a near-lock. He's got around 250 HR's and he's only 27. Even if he never realizes his full offensive potential, he's still going to end up with HOF numbers.

My locks/near-locks: Randy Johnson, Roberto Alomar, Chipper Jones, Andruw Jones, Greg Maddux, Sammy Sosa, Ken Griffey Jr., Barry Larkin, Todd Helton, Roger Clemens, Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio, Tom Glavine, Mike Piazza, Jim Thome, Trever Hoffman, Barry Bonds, Vladimir Guerrero, Rafael Palmeiro, Pedro Martinez, Nomar Garciaparra, Manny Ramirez, Frank Thomas, Ivan Rodriguez, Mariano Rivera, Jason Giambi, Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter, Gary Sheffield, Edgar Martinez.

Possible: John Smoltz, Larry Walker, Bobby Abreu, Jim Edmonds, Scott Rolen, Brian Giles, Miguel Tejada, Javy Lopez, Curt Schilling, Magglio Ordonez, Juan Gonzalez, Kevin Brown, Mike Mussina, John Olerud, Carlos Delgado.

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While this is a solid list, there are some guys that may be questionable. Helton won't make it because he plays at Coors Field. I don't think many of the HOF voters will tkae his numbers too seriously. Biggio is on the cusp, because he is a middle infielder, and they usually ned to lead there teams to some success in the post season. We all know that Houston has never won a playoff series. It may take him 5-10 years before he gets in. Andruw Jones is one of the best defensive CF of all time, but he really has to start getting those offensive numbers up. What's so crazy about him is that he seams to be getting worse at the plate as he gets older rather than better. His SO's have been going up while his average has been going down the past few years. I'll always question Palmeiro, but that's just me. Again, it's a good list.

[bravosfan]

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You could be right about Helton, but assuming he continues putting up the numbers I don't see how the voters could keep him out. He's 30 years old and came into this season with a .337 career average and a little over 200 HR's. If he plays 8-10 more years at similar production, it'll be awfully tough to deny him. I understand the Coors effect, but it's still the major leagues.


Re: Giambi - you make a convincing argument, Misfit. In fact, I agree with you. Scratch him from my locks/near-locks list.

[bravosfan]

Re: What current players are going into Hall of Fame?

You could be right about Helton, but assuming he continues putting up the numbers I don't see how the voters could keep him out. He's 30 years old and came into this season with a .337 career average and a little over 200 HR's. If he plays 8-10 more years at similar production, it'll be awfully tough to deny him. I understand the Coors effect, but it's still the major leagues.


Re: Giambi - you make a convincing argument, Misfit. In fact, I agree with you. Scratch him from my locks/near-locks list.

[bravosfan]

Re: What current players are going into Hall of Fame?

You could be right about Helton, but assuming he continues putting up the numbers I don't see how the voters could keep him out. He's 30 years old and came into this season with a .337 career average and a little over 200 HR's. If he plays 8-10 more years at similar production, it'll be awfully tough to deny him. I understand the Coors effect, but it's still the major leagues.


Re: Giambi - you make a convincing argument, Misfit. In fact, I agree with you. Scratch him from my locks/near-locks list.

[Surfsup009]

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BraveWayne said:
You could be right about Helton, but assuming he continues putting up the numbers I don't see how the voters could keep him out. He's 30 years old and came into this season with a .337 career average and a little over 200 HR's. If he plays 8-10 more years at similar production, it'll be awfully tough to deny him. I understand the Coors effect, but it's still the major leagues.


To the poster who contested Giambi, you make a convincing argument. In fact, I agree with you. Scratch him from my locks/near-locks list.

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You're right in one sense, numbers are numbers. But the voters are tough, and they will also take into consideration his serious drop off when he is not at Coors. If the guy is smart he will stay a in Colorado his whole career, even if another team offers him more money, because I'm sure he won't want most people to find out he's a fraud.

baseballreference.com is a great site, and they have a HOF monitor. Helton's numbers put him in the Hall with ease, but there are still questions in my opinion.

[Surfsup009]

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BraveWayne said:
You could be right about Helton, but assuming he continues putting up the numbers I don't see how the voters could keep him out. He's 30 years old and came into this season with a .337 career average and a little over 200 HR's. If he plays 8-10 more years at similar production, it'll be awfully tough to deny him. I understand the Coors effect, but it's still the major leagues.


To the poster who contested Giambi, you make a convincing argument. In fact, I agree with you. Scratch him from my locks/near-locks list.

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You're right in one sense, numbers are numbers. But the voters are tough, and they will also take into consideration his serious drop off when he is not at Coors. If the guy is smart he will stay a in Colorado his whole career, even if another team offers him more money, because I'm sure he won't want most people to find out he's a fraud.

baseballreference.com is a great site, and they have a HOF monitor. Helton's numbers put him in the Hall with ease, but there are still questions in my opinion.

[Surfsup009]

Re: What current players are going into Hall of Fame?

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BraveWayne said:
You could be right about Helton, but assuming he continues putting up the numbers I don't see how the voters could keep him out. He's 30 years old and came into this season with a .337 career average and a little over 200 HR's. If he plays 8-10 more years at similar production, it'll be awfully tough to deny him. I understand the Coors effect, but it's still the major leagues.


To the poster who contested Giambi, you make a convincing argument. In fact, I agree with you. Scratch him from my locks/near-locks list.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

You're right in one sense, numbers are numbers. But the voters are tough, and they will also take into consideration his serious drop off when he is not at Coors. If the guy is smart he will stay a in Colorado his whole career, even if another team offers him more money, because I'm sure he won't want most people to find out he's a fraud.

baseballreference.com is a great site, and they have a HOF monitor. Helton's numbers put him in the Hall with ease, but there are still questions in my opinion.

[SPTO]

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Someone put Nomar as a lock? PFFT! He's a very good SS but I don't see him being HOF quality just yet.

Most of the people I would list are already there but I wanted to say this about Edgar Martinez, he'll get in based on being a DH. He'll be the first true DH to ever be in the HOF and I think he deserves it. The only guy who is even close to Martinez in terms of being a true DH was Harold Baines but he played a lot of years in the field so scratch that.

[SPTO]

Re: What current players are going into Hall of Fame?

Someone put Nomar as a lock? PFFT! He's a very good SS but I don't see him being HOF quality just yet.

Most of the people I would list are already there but I wanted to say this about Edgar Martinez, he'll get in based on being a DH. He'll be the first true DH to ever be in the HOF and I think he deserves it. The only guy who is even close to Martinez in terms of being a true DH was Harold Baines but he played a lot of years in the field so scratch that.