Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

[bkrich83]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

It's a evenly matched division, but it's also a division with 5 very mediocre teams. Do Jays fans really see that team as a legit championship contender type team?

As far as the NL East, I think it's better than it's been in recent years.

[AC]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

It's a evenly matched division, but it's also a division with 5 very mediocre teams. Do Jays fans really see that team as a legit championship contender type team?

As far as the NL East, I think it's better than it's been in recent years.

Don't worry, no Jays fan of much reputation sees them as a championship team. Basically, we are/were hoping for a division title and then taking advantage of the randomness of the playoffs. We're pretty decently set up for the playoffs. Doubt we get there though lol.

[bkrich83]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

Don't worry, no Jays fan of much reputation sees them as a championship team. Basically, we are/were hoping for a division title and then taking advantage of the randomness of the playoffs. We're pretty decently set up for the playoffs. Doubt we get there though lol.

I jus saw their statistical chance of making the playoffs is like 36%. I know once you get to the playoffs anything can happen, but I just don't see how that pitching staff matches up very well with the other likely playoff teams.

[SPTO]

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AC said it best, when I made this thread the Jays were looking like a team that could take advantage of the randomness of playoff baseball and were trending in the right direction toward a division title at the very least. Of course, everything went pear shaped and now they're fighting to just get in and need a ton of help personnel wise.

[AC]

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I jus saw their statistical chance of making the playoffs is like 36%. I know once you get to the playoffs anything can happen, but I just don't see how that pitching staff matches up very well with the other likely playoff teams.

The Dickey effect in a 3 game set intrigues me. There is a statistical effect of the knuckleball, my good friend authored a couple of posts proving it. Dickey leading off, then Hutch, then Buehrle could work.

Or you could go crazy. Start Dickey every game and leave him in for a couple of innings. Then yank him for a hard thrower. But mix in Buehrle.

G1: Dickey-Stroman-RP
G2: Dickey-Hutch-RP
G3: Buehrle-Morrow-RP

And loop. It's crazy, but I think it could work.

[bkrich83]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

The Dickey effect in a 3 game set intrigues me. There is a statistical effect of the knuckleball, my good friend authored a couple of posts proving it. Dickey leading off, then Hutch, then Buehrle could work.

Or you could go crazy. Start Dickey every game and leave him in for a couple of innings. Then yank him for a hard thrower. But mix in Buehrle.

G1: Dickey-Stroman-RP
G2: Dickey-Hutch-RP
G3: Buehrle-Morrow-RP

And loop. It's crazy, but I think it could work.

How has it been lately? I haven't look.

I did look at some of their numbers and didn't realize the month of May when they went 21-9, is the only month this season they've been above .500

I don't see them much, I just don't see them as a postseason team nevertheless a team that would do damage in the playoffs. I've been wrong often though, so take that with a grain of salt.

[AC]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

How has it been lately? I haven't look.

I did look at some of their numbers and didn't realize the month of May when they went 21-9, is the only month this season they've been above .500

I don't see them much, I just don't see them as a postseason team nevertheless a team that would do damage in the playoffs. I've been wrong often though, so take that with a grain of salt.

With the Jays? Good thing you haven't looked.

We're not a team that would do damage because of our quality. Moreso our tactics. But Gibbons would never do that.

[cardinalbird5]

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Injuries killed the Jays...they still have a shot tho to sneak in as the 2nd WC. I just laughed at Navarro batting cleanup for you guys though....

I also had no idea how Shelby Miller shut you guys out either. He has been bad this year.

[AC]

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Injuries killed the Jays...they still have a shot tho to sneak in as the 2nd WC. I just laughed at Navarro batting cleanup for you guys though....

I also had no idea how Shelby Miller shut you guys out either. He has been bad this year.

Shelby's got talent (new TV show?) though, we know that.

Yeah, no, they all bunched up at the same time. Edwin, Bau, Lawrie, Lind is four regulars right there, Rasmus was gone for a while, and I'm assuming our regular 2B is injured cause Ryan Goins can't be our only second ba... oh. Wow. That sucks.

We have a chance at the second WC or a division title. We could use a couple of adds though.

[BlueJayPower]

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The Jays probably have the best lineup in the majors when healthy though, so that's gotta be worth something.

Add Marcus Stroman to the mix. Small sample size, I know; but if you get a chance, watch this kid pitch. Electric stuff!

[wwharton]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

The Jays probably have the best lineup in the majors when healthy though, so that's gotta be worth something.

Add Marcus Stroman to the mix. Small sample size, I know; but if you get a chance, watch this kid pitch. Electric stuff!

I'd say they have the 2nd best line up in their division (when both are healthy) so I'm not sure that carries much weight with the discussion.

[BlueJayPower]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

I'd say they have the 2nd best line up in their division (when both are healthy) so I'm not sure that carries much weight with the discussion.

Even if that were true (which it isn't IMO, and stats would back me up in that), not sure why you would think it does not carry weight with the current discussion, when it is DIRECTLY RELATED to the current discussion.

[AC]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

Jays probably have about the 5th best offense league wide.

Third by OPS, comfortably ahead of the Orioles.

[BlueJayPower]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

Jays probably have about the 5th best offense league wide.

Third by OPS, comfortably ahead of the Orioles.

That link shows them tied for second in weighed runs created. Add to that the fact that they've had more man games missed by players that are vital to the offense and you back my point up nicely. And yes, well ahead of the O's or anyone else in the division for that guy who posted earlier.

[AC]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

That link shows them tied for second in weighed runs created. Add to that the fact that they've had more man games missed by vital to the offense and you back my point up nicely. And yes, well ahead of the O's or anyone else in the division for that guy who posted earlier.

Weighted runs created isn't park adjusted. They play in the Rogers Centre. wRC+ adjusts for that. They're likely between the 3rd and 7th? best offenses. Probably the best in the division. Not the best in the league.