Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

[AC]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

"Hasn't done anything in the majors"

20.5 WAR good for 4.5 fWAR/150 when you include framing data.

[BlueJayPower]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

Seriously, get off your high horse. If my posts are "unbelievable" to you, simply explain why and keep it moving. Clearly I disagree with you, but I don't need to add any exaggerations on it to make it more known.



Weiters projected to be a high average and power hitter. He obviously has been slow to develop to that projection (and some, including myself, would say those projections were overblown) but no one would throw a red flag if he ended up hitting .290 with 30 HRs this year (numbers I just made up, of course). Those mythical stats incorporate a decline from his hot start and would still be an outlier to your 3 year average.

Machado is a 22 year old who's been in the majors for less than 2 full years. His first full year he lead the majors with 51 doubles (went down with the knee injury so can't even say that was a FULL year). It'd be silly to average his "career" stats bc of a) sample size and b) potential.

Hardy may have been on the DL for a week but he played hurt for some time (partially bc Manny was out early in the season), and now has a thumb injury that he played with until sitting the last couple of games. Healthy enough to play is not 100% healthy.

There could be similar detailed break downs for the Jays. This isn't about one homer's opinion on his team's potential vs another's. I'm simply stating that stats can't accurately say where these lineups would be with everyone 100% healthy. Stats are great for many things... this is not one of them.



It's hard to say off the top of my head. I'd put the Nats up there. Maybe the Cards, I don't know.



You said, "The Jays probably have the best lineup in the majors when healthy though".

So, to phrase my reply a different way, if everyone in the AL East was healthy, the division wouldn't be considered mediocre as most, if not all of the teams would have been better.



Again, your quote, "when it is DIRECTLY RELATED to the current discussion."

those are all caps ^

Two words were in caps. I'm beginning to think you're under the influence.

[AC]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

Two words were in caps. I'm beginning to think you're under the influence.

Two words were comprised of entirely capital letters.

I can't believe this is a serious issue.

[BlueJayPower]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

"Hasn't done anything in the majors"

20.5 WAR good for 4.5 fWAR/150 when you include framing data.

Umm what? I thought we were talking about offense.

[BlueJayPower]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

Two words were comprised of entirely capital letters.

I can't believe this is a serious issue.

If it is, I can't either.

[AC]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

Umm what? I thought we were talking about offense.

ZiPS RoS has him pegged as a true talent 108 wRC+. At catcher. Is that bad or something?

If it is, I can't either. You two married or just dating?

Because all good arguments use ad hominems.

[BlueJayPower]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

ZiPS RoS has him pegged as a true talent 108 wRC+. At catcher. Is that bad or something?



Because all good arguments use ad hominems.

No it isn't. I'm asking what he's done in MLB.

I'm using reason. In fact all I said was the Blue Jays have the best offense in the majors when healthy, which seemed to strike a chord with your friend here.

[AC]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

No it isn't. I'm asking what he's done in MLB.

Be 3% better than league average for his position?

E: You're being absurdly rude and being the exact reason people hate stats; condescension.

[BlueJayPower]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

Be 3% better than league average for his position?

E: You're being absurdly rude and being the exact reason people hate stats; condescension.

I'm far from the only one being rude on here, and definitely wasn't the first. Absurdly rude? Far from it.

3% better than league average is minuscule.

[AC]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

I'm far from the only one being rude on here, and definitely wasn't the first. In fact I'm on of the more mild mannered people you'll meet.

3% better than league average is next to nothing.

It's not that far from the distance of Jose Reyes to league average

[BlueJayPower]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

It's not that far from the distance of Jose Reyes to league average

Got any facts to back that up?

[AC]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

Got any facts to back that up?

107 wRC+ is 7% from league average

If 3% isn't that much, 7% isn't a ton either

[BlueJayPower]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

107 wRC+ is 7% from league average

If 3% isn't that much, 7% isn't a ton either

It's still more than double. And Reyes is not the top of that group. What about Encarnacion, and Lind (against right handed pitching).

[AC]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

It's still more than double. And Reyes is not the top of that group. What about Encarnacion, and Lind (against right handed pitching).

3 and 7% isn't really statistically significant. Lind is replaceable. Encarnacion is the only player that it's okay not to have a contingency plan for. And he's not more valuable than the would be value of Wieters, Machado and Hardy combined.

[BlueJayPower]

Re: Is the AL East really "mediocre"?

3 and 7% really aren't that different. Lind is replaceable. Encarnacion is the only player that it's okay not to have a contingency plan for. And he's not more valuable than Wieters, Machado and Hardy combined.

He isn't alone, but the 5 guys that I mentioned are far and away more valuable. I don't see how you can dispute that. On top of that Hardy hasn't missed anything. I can say Bautista has back issues that zapped his power a bit this year also. It's conjecture.