7/28 - 8/10 Game Discussion Thread

[Chrisksaint]

Re: 7/28 - 8/10 Game Discussion Thread

That's not the rule, though. The catcher was planted in front of the plate, the ball didn't take him there. He could've easily stepped inside the baseline, but he didn't. He moved from behind the plate in foul territory, to in front of the plate right into the baseline.

I'm not agreeing with the rule, it's stupid. By how it's written, that's the right call.

He moved that way because that's where the ball was going toward and then he's in possession of the ball so according to the rule he can block the plate or do whatever he wants.

[Jr.]

Re: 7/28 - 8/10 Game Discussion Thread

What play did you watch? The broke it down completely on MLB Tonight and it is very clear it's the THROW that took him to the 3rd base side. That was awful …sad to see that kind of stuff being called on an MLB field.

The throw was up the line, but he was still in the baseline. He could have very easily been 1 step inside the baseline and given a lane to the plate.

He was behind the plate, in foul territory. Then he moved directly into the baseline as the throw was coming in. It wasn't a last second reach for the ball, he was still planted there for a second before he caught the throw. If he was set up in front of the plate, inside the baseline, in fair territory, he could have moved toward 3rd base to catch the throw, but still given the runner a lane.

[Sportsforever]

Re: 7/28 - 8/10 Game Discussion Thread

The throw was up the line, but he was still in the baseline. He could have very easily been 1 step inside the baseline and given a lane to the plate.

He was behind the plate, in foul territory. Then he moved directly into the baseline as the throw was coming in. It wasn't a last second reach for the ball, he was still planted there for a second before he caught the throw. If he was set up in front of the plate, inside the baseline, in fair territory, he could have moved toward 3rd base, but still given the runner a lane.

So a catcher is supposed to keep tabs on the 200+ lbs runner bearing down on him, keep his eye on the ball, AND make sure he's 6 inches inside the baseline. I personally think that's BS…if the ball beats you by that much, I don't care if the catcher is standing on his head on the plate, you should be out.

[Chip Douglass]

Re: 7/28 - 8/10 Game Discussion Thread

Good job, Braves…good job.

Hard to beat the Dodgers when Greinke and Kershaw are dealing, and Puig is doing his thing.

We'll see you guys in a week.

[Sportsforever]

Re: 7/28 - 8/10 Game Discussion Thread

Hard to beat the Dodgers when Greinke and Kershaw are dealing, and Puig is doing his thing.

We'll see you guys in a week.

This team just can't hit good hitting…not that most teams can, but still, this is why they struggle in October. Teheran out pitched Kershaw tonight and loses...

[Jr.]

Re: 7/28 - 8/10 Game Discussion Thread

So a catcher is supposed to keep tabs on the 200+ lbs runner bearing down on him, keep his eye on the ball, AND make sure he's 6 inches inside the baseline. I personally think that's BS…if the ball beats you by that much, I don't care if the catcher is standing on his head on the plate, you should be out.

I agree with you. The rule is stupid. I'm just saying that how it's written, this is the right call. Watch this video: http://m.mlb.com/mia/video/topic/887...call/?c_id=mia

Starting at 2:09, you get a great view of the catcher moving directly into the baseline, from behind the plate. He had time and room to stay out in front of the plate until he caught the ball, then moved into the line to make the tag.

It's not that he's in the way to make the tag. The issue is that he was in the way before the ball got to him. The throw didn't pull him into the baseline, he moved there with plenty of time to set his feet twice and receive the throw.

Catchers are just going to have to adjust. These rules have been in amateur levels of baseball for many, many years.

[Sportsforever]

Re: 7/28 - 8/10 Game Discussion Thread

I agree with you. The rule is stupid. I'm just saying that how it's written, this is the right call. Watch this video: http://m.mlb.com/mia/video/topic/887...call/?c_id=mia

Starting at 2:09, you get a great view of the catcher moving directly into the baseline, from behind the plate. He had time and room to stay out in front of the plate until he caught the ball, then moved into the line to make the tag.

It's not that he's in the way to make the tag. The issue is that he was in the way before the ball got to him. The throw didn't pull him into the baseline, he moved there with plenty of time to set his feet twice and receive the throw.

Catchers are just going to have to adjust. These rules have been in amateur levels of baseball for many, many years.

The rule though states "as the runner is trying to score"…he wasn't close to home plate. Just don't think it should apply here...

[Chrisksaint]

Re: 7/28 - 8/10 Game Discussion Thread

Ummm I think were watching the wrong play here then cause Stanton let's go of the ball and Mathis is standing right behind the plate. He moves closer inside because it's going to land about a foot to the left of the plate. So you're saying he should just sit where he was either diving at it or letting it roll to the backstop?

[Jr.]

Re: 7/28 - 8/10 Game Discussion Thread

The rule though states "as the runner is trying to score"…he wasn't close to home plate. Just don't think it should apply here...

That's a good point. I think they've left too much judgement into the calls. When is a runner trying to score? Is it as soon as he makes the turn around 3rd? Is it when he's halfway? (rhetorical questions)

[Jr.]

Re: 7/28 - 8/10 Game Discussion Thread

Ummm I think were watching the wrong play here then cause Stanton let's go of the ball and Mathis is standing right behind the plate. He moves closer inside because it's going to land about a foot to the left of the plate. So you're saying he should just sit where he was either diving at it or letting it roll to the backstop?

No, I'm saying he should have moved toward the ball, but stayed inside the baseline until he caught it. That would have provided the necessary lane for the baserunner.

He didn't make a last second move to catch the ball. You can see him set his feet twice preparing himself to catch it and get in position for a tag.

[Chrisksaint]

Re: 7/28 - 8/10 Game Discussion Thread

Idk whatever, terrible rule. Like Sportsforever said that's just way too much for a catcher to have to do just to accommodate for the runner.

[Jr.]

Re: 7/28 - 8/10 Game Discussion Thread

Idk whatever, terrible rule. Like Sportsforever said that's just way too much for a catcher to have to do just to accommodate for the runner.

Agreed, it's a big adjustment for guys that haven't had to worry about it for years. The MLB was in CYA mode after the concussion lawsuits the NFL experienced, so the rule is likely here to stay.

I think it'll be much better in another year or two as guys understand what they can and can't do.

[SPTO]

Re: 7/28 - 8/10 Game Discussion Thread

Looking at the play in Miami....Man, Redmond had every right to be PO'ed. I'm telling you folks, this stupid rule is going to cost a team in the playoffs.

If it wasn't for Buster Posey none of this crap would be going on right now.

[TheMatrix31]

Re: 7/28 - 8/10 Game Discussion Thread

Looking at the play in Miami....Man, Redmond had every right to be PO'ed. I'm telling you folks, this stupid rule is going to cost a team in the playoffs.

If it wasn't for Buster Posey none of this crap would be going on right now.

No, if it wasn't for people thinking they could just create rules and everything'll be better, then none of this crap would be happening. Stupid, stupid situation.

Braves/Dodgers game was spectacular tonight. What a wasted start by Teheran. Kershaw almost had a "Maddux." Dude's just.....man....I don't think I want to go to a Dodger game that he's not pitching in. Great defensive plays, came down to the last at-bat, and it was a short game. BJ Upton even had two hits. Off Kershaw. For rooting for such a worthlessly inconsistent, maddeningly frustrating team, this was about as great as I could have hoped for.

Most shocking of all was that none of the ****head fans that Los Angeles is known for said anything to me about Atlanta. Totally shocking. And refreshing.


.....forgot to ask, but can one of the stat guys tell me the last time both pitchers had complete games and how often that happens?

[Marino]

Re: 7/28 - 8/10 Game Discussion Thread

No, if it wasn't for people thinking they could just create rules and everything'll be better, then none of this crap would be happening. Stupid, stupid situation.

Braves/Dodgers game was spectacular tonight. What a wasted start by Teheran. Kershaw almost had a "Maddux." Dude's just.....man....I don't think I want to go to a Dodger game that he's not pitching in. Great defensive plays, came down to the last at-bat, and it was a short game. BJ Upton even had two hits. Off Kershaw. For rooting for such a worthlessly inconsistent, maddeningly frustrating team, this was about as great as I could have hoped for.

Most shocking of all was that none of the ****head fans that Los Angeles is known for said anything to me about Atlanta. Totally shocking. And refreshing.


.....forgot to ask, but can one of the stat guys tell me the last time both pitchers had complete games and how often that happens?

**** Atlanta.