Mets v. Phils and it actually means something.

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Re: Mets v. Phils and it actually means something.

I still believe that he got the raw end of the deal. Phillips should have been canned, if the team still didn't improve, then can Bobby V.

[jLp_vAkEr0]

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Honestly, give this much talent to a good manager like Felipe Alou and the Phills would win the division by a landslide.

[jLp_vAkEr0]

Re: Mets v. Phils and it actually means something.

Honestly, give this much talent to a good manager like Felipe Alou and the Phills would win the division by a landslide.

[jLp_vAkEr0]

Re: Mets v. Phils and it actually means something.

Honestly, give this much talent to a good manager like Felipe Alou and the Phills would win the division by a landslide.

[Spectre]

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I don't think Felipe Alou is a good manager.

[Spectre]

Re: Mets v. Phils and it actually means something.

I don't think Felipe Alou is a good manager.

[Spectre]

Re: Mets v. Phils and it actually means something.

I don't think Felipe Alou is a good manager.

[jLp_vAkEr0]

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I don't think Felipe Alou is a good manager.

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Right, he just kept the Expos in contetion for years while management kept unloading stars(Walker, Pedro, Floyd just to name a few) and not singning any good free agents....

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Viper said:
I don't think Felipe Alou is a good manager.

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Right, he just kept the Expos in contetion for years while management kept unloading stars(Walker, Pedro, Floyd just to name a few) and not singning any good free agents....

[jLp_vAkEr0]

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Viper said:
I don't think Felipe Alou is a good manager.

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Right, he just kept the Expos in contetion for years while management kept unloading stars(Walker, Pedro, Floyd just to name a few) and not singning any good free agents....

[samjjones]

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Felipe Alou might have been a good manager before senility set in, but I've seen a couple of Giants games this year, and he is clueless. Bobby V. DID get the raw end of the deal, but he would've been fired eventually anyways. Art Howe must go.

[samjjones]

Re: Mets v. Phils and it actually means something.

Felipe Alou might have been a good manager before senility set in, but I've seen a couple of Giants games this year, and he is clueless. Bobby V. DID get the raw end of the deal, but he would've been fired eventually anyways. Art Howe must go.

[samjjones]

Re: Mets v. Phils and it actually means something.

Felipe Alou might have been a good manager before senility set in, but I've seen a couple of Giants games this year, and he is clueless. Bobby V. DID get the raw end of the deal, but he would've been fired eventually anyways. Art Howe must go.

[Spectre]

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First, I'd like to disagree with your assertion that the Expos were in contention under Felipe Alou.
His best years with the Expos were in 92 (he took over early in the season), 93, 94, and 96. In 93 he had Walker, Alou, Grissom, and a solid veteran staff. Throw in good hitters like Wil Cordero, Darrin Fletcher, and Delino Deshields. Those Expos had a solid core, it wasn't a manager milking the most out of his team with good managing- they were a really good team. Walker was traded but he got O Henry Rodriguez, who destroyed the ball.

That has nothing to do with good managing. I followed him closely from 98-01 (until he was fired). The guy made questionable moves all the time and he still does the same.

Their "success" has more to do with a tremendous farm system, great international scouting, and smart trades. Pedro Martinez was fleeced from the Dodgers. Vladimir Guerrero was not supposed to be a superstar. Urbina and Carlos Perez were also good international signings. After Pedro was traded, is it surprising he did not win more than 70 games in the next three years?

[Spectre]

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First, I'd like to disagree with your assertion that the Expos were in contention under Felipe Alou.
His best years with the Expos were in 92 (he took over early in the season), 93, 94, and 96. In 93 he had Walker, Alou, Grissom, and a solid veteran staff. Throw in good hitters like Wil Cordero, Darrin Fletcher, and Delino Deshields. Those Expos had a solid core, it wasn't a manager milking the most out of his team with good managing- they were a really good team. Walker was traded but he got O Henry Rodriguez, who destroyed the ball.

That has nothing to do with good managing. I followed him closely from 98-01 (until he was fired). The guy made questionable moves all the time and he still does the same.

Their "success" has more to do with a tremendous farm system, great international scouting, and smart trades. Pedro Martinez was fleeced from the Dodgers. Vladimir Guerrero was not supposed to be a superstar. Urbina and Carlos Perez were also good international signings. After Pedro was traded, is it surprising he did not win more than 70 games in the next three years?