8/3 - 8/16 Game Discussion Thread
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Ian Desmond just hit a BOMB off the coke bottle at AT&T. Perfect swing.Comment
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They're both contributing well; Schwarber's impact has just been easier to see because he's mashing pitching.Comment
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I love how Kris Bryant's expectations grew so out of control that him running a mere 4.1 fWAR season as a rookie so far is somehow seen as a disappointment/reason for Dave Kingman comparison/reason to radically alter his swing. LOL
Some seasons that Bryant's 2015 is equal to or compares favorably to:
1951 Willie Mays
1973 Mike Schmidt
1959 Harmon Killebrew
1954 Hank Aaron
1954 Ernie Banks
1962 Yaz
1965 Willie Stargell
1961 Willie McCovey
1949 Gil Hodges
1961 Ron Santo
1946 Ralph Kiner
1982 Wade Boggs
1982 Cal Ripken Jr.
1983 Ryne Sandberg
Sure, some of those guys were younger then than Bryant is now and you could probably point to busts that also had good rookie seasons, but...point is, he seems to be doing fine already and will probably get even better.Chicago Cubs | Chicago Bulls | Green Bay Packers | Michigan WolverinesComment
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I know there is a lot of Bryant love...and I'm not saying he can't be a good player, but I really haven't been impressed with him. His K rate is through the roof and his BABIP is in the mid .340's. His HR/FB rate is out of this world as well...not sure if that is something he'll maintain (maybe it is due to his power), but I just expected a more polished hitter. At this point he reminds me of a more athletic Dave Kingman...
2. The BABIP is due for regression, but I don't think it's fair to point out areas where he's going to regress without pointing out that he's only scratching the surface of his true power potential. He was given an 80 raw power grade as a prospect, which is McGwire/Stanton-level. Power is an older player's skill anyways, so it wasn't that realistic to expect him to come up and mash right away. It took Bryce Harper a couple of seasons to get to his power.
3. His HR/FB rate is above average; it's not even close to being out-of-this-world. If anything, it's an area where he's due for improvement.
4. He's a much more disciplined hitter than Dave Kingman. It's like saying Dustin Pedroia is similar to David Eckstein because they're scrappy white dudes who make a lot of contact.
5. Bottom line: he's a rookie and he's already going to be a +5 win player, assuming he's not a pumpkin down the stretch. He's been even better than expected IMO. Just because he's accumulating his value in an unexpected way doesn't mean he's a disappointment.Last edited by Chip Douglass; 08-15-2015, 10:13 PM.I write things on the Internet.
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Well, then.
Good job Justin Upton.
Guy threw his helmet which smacked Yonder Alonso in the head; he's sitting on the bench with a huge ice pack on his head now.Originally posted by Gibson88Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.Comment
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1. He's a 6'5 slugger; the strikeouts were to be expected and it's something you live with in exchange for the power.
2. The BABIP is due for regression, but I don't think it's fair to point out areas where he's going to regress without pointing out that he's only scratching the surface of his true power potential. He was given an 80 raw power grade as a prospect, which is McGwire/Stanton-level. Power is an older player's skill anyways, so it wasn't that realistic to expect him to come up and mash right away. It took Bryce Harper a couple of seasons to get to his power.
3. His HR/FB rate is above average; it's not even close to being out-of-this-world.
4. He's a much more disciplined hitter than Dave Kingman. It's like saying Dustin Pedroia is similar to David Eckstein because they're scrappy white dudes who make a lot of contact.
5. Bottom line: he's a rookie and he's already going to be a +5 win player, assuming he's not a pumpkin down the stretch. He's been even better than expected IMO. Just because he's accumulating his value in an unexpected way doesn't mean he's a disappointment.
Look, I'm not saying he's a bad player...it's just he's been disappointing at the plate IMO. He could very well develop into a super star, but he's not where I thought he'd be at the plate."People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers HornsbyComment
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1. He's a 6'5 slugger; the strikeouts were to be expected and it's something you live with in exchange for the power.
2. The BABIP is due for regression, but I don't think it's fair to point out areas where he's going to regress without pointing out that he's only scratching the surface of his true power potential. He was given an 80 raw power grade as a prospect, which is McGwire/Stanton-level. Power is an older player's skill anyways, so it wasn't that realistic to expect him to come up and mash right away. It took Bryce Harper a couple of seasons to get to his power.
3. His HR/FB rate is above average; it's not even close to being out-of-this-world.
4. He's a much more disciplined hitter than Dave Kingman. It's like saying Dustin Pedroia is similar to David Eckstein because they're scrappy white dudes who make a lot of contact.
5. Bottom line: he's a rookie and he's already going to be a +5 win player, assuming he's not a pumpkin down the stretch. He's been even better than expected IMO. Just because he's accumulating his value in an unexpected way doesn't mean he's a disappointment.
This dude has been hitting cleanup for a Cubs team nearly 20-games over .500 and he's produced a 126 wRC+ (most guys who do 130-ish wRC+/+5 fWAR at 3B for an entire 10-15 year career are what we call HoF candidates...something to think about even if he stagnates) and a very respectable .360 OBP despite striking out 30% of the time (Szymborski nailed that strike out rate by the way with his preseason ZiPS). I am also not convinced that his .340-ish BABIP is too high for him. His MiLB BABIP numbers were closer to .400 or over.Chicago Cubs | Chicago Bulls | Green Bay Packers | Michigan WolverinesComment
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A 13.5% HR/FB is nowhere near close to "out of this world".OSHA Inspector for the NBA.Comment
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Wait...a ratio in the top 30 in the game isn't "out of this world"? I've already stated he will probably maintain it due to his power (power hitters usually do...as you see on the list)...my point was he's only hit 14 homers and it isn't because he's been unlucky."People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers HornsbyComment
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He's not in the top 30, though. I think that was his whole point. In fact, Bryant's 3% off the pace for 30th.Chicago Cubs | Chicago Bulls | Green Bay Packers | Michigan WolverinesComment
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He is actually on Page 3 at #63. Perhaps we have different definitions of what "out of this world" mean.OSHA Inspector for the NBA.Comment
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