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  • Trent Booty
    MVP
    • Jan 2015
    • 2572

    #811
    Re: 8/3 - 8/16 Game Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by bcruise
    Scared me for a second until I read the bold. But Hector's not even in the game yet anyway.
    Sometimes I get Hector and Bruce mixed up so I thought I'd just name his team opposed to his first name lol

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    • Trent Booty
      MVP
      • Jan 2015
      • 2572

      #812
      Re: 8/3 - 8/16 Game Discussion Thread

      Ian Desmond just hit a BOMB off the coke bottle at AT&T. Perfect swing.

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      • Jr.
        Playgirl Coverboy
        • Feb 2003
        • 19171

        #813
        Re: 8/3 - 8/16 Game Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by TheMatrix31
        I'm sure both Bryant and Schwarber will be fantastic players. It just seems that, to the naked eye, Schwarber has had more of a direct impact on things than Bryant has.
        It's because Schwarber is hitting better. He's been pretty terrible behind the plate according to catching metrics, and he's not nearly the baserunner that Bryant is. Schwarber has looked pretty decent in LF, though, which is great.

        They're both contributing well; Schwarber's impact has just been easier to see because he's mashing pitching.
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        • bcruise
          Hall Of Fame
          • Mar 2004
          • 23274

          #814
          Re: 8/3 - 8/16 Game Discussion Thread

          Cubs win and are a game back of the Pirates for 2nd in the Central, who are tied with the Mets in extra innings.

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          • WaitTilNextYear
            Go Cubs Go
            • Mar 2013
            • 16830

            #815
            Re: 8/3 - 8/16 Game Discussion Thread

            I love how Kris Bryant's expectations grew so out of control that him running a mere 4.1 fWAR season as a rookie so far is somehow seen as a disappointment/reason for Dave Kingman comparison/reason to radically alter his swing. LOL

            Some seasons that Bryant's 2015 is equal to or compares favorably to:

            1951 Willie Mays
            1973 Mike Schmidt
            1959 Harmon Killebrew
            1954 Hank Aaron
            1954 Ernie Banks
            1962 Yaz
            1965 Willie Stargell
            1961 Willie McCovey
            1949 Gil Hodges
            1961 Ron Santo
            1946 Ralph Kiner
            1982 Wade Boggs
            1982 Cal Ripken Jr.
            1983 Ryne Sandberg


            Sure, some of those guys were younger then than Bryant is now and you could probably point to busts that also had good rookie seasons, but...point is, he seems to be doing fine already and will probably get even better.
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            • Chip Douglass
              Hall Of Fame
              • Dec 2005
              • 12256

              #816
              Re: 8/3 - 8/16 Game Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by Sportsforever
              I know there is a lot of Bryant love...and I'm not saying he can't be a good player, but I really haven't been impressed with him. His K rate is through the roof and his BABIP is in the mid .340's. His HR/FB rate is out of this world as well...not sure if that is something he'll maintain (maybe it is due to his power), but I just expected a more polished hitter. At this point he reminds me of a more athletic Dave Kingman...
              1. He's a 6'5 slugger; the strikeouts were to be expected and it's something you live with in exchange for the power.

              2. The BABIP is due for regression, but I don't think it's fair to point out areas where he's going to regress without pointing out that he's only scratching the surface of his true power potential. He was given an 80 raw power grade as a prospect, which is McGwire/Stanton-level. Power is an older player's skill anyways, so it wasn't that realistic to expect him to come up and mash right away. It took Bryce Harper a couple of seasons to get to his power.

              3. His HR/FB rate is above average; it's not even close to being out-of-this-world. If anything, it's an area where he's due for improvement.

              4. He's a much more disciplined hitter than Dave Kingman. It's like saying Dustin Pedroia is similar to David Eckstein because they're scrappy white dudes who make a lot of contact.

              5. Bottom line: he's a rookie and he's already going to be a +5 win player, assuming he's not a pumpkin down the stretch. He's been even better than expected IMO. Just because he's accumulating his value in an unexpected way doesn't mean he's a disappointment.
              Last edited by Chip Douglass; 08-15-2015, 10:13 PM.
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              • Speedy
                #Ace
                • Apr 2008
                • 16143

                #817
                Re: 8/3 - 8/16 Game Discussion Thread

                Well, then.

                Good job Justin Upton.

                Guy threw his helmet which smacked Yonder Alonso in the head; he's sitting on the bench with a huge ice pack on his head now.
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                Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
                It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.

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                • Sportsforever
                  NL MVP
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 20368

                  #818
                  Re: 8/3 - 8/16 Game Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by Chip Douglass
                  1. He's a 6'5 slugger; the strikeouts were to be expected and it's something you live with in exchange for the power.

                  2. The BABIP is due for regression, but I don't think it's fair to point out areas where he's going to regress without pointing out that he's only scratching the surface of his true power potential. He was given an 80 raw power grade as a prospect, which is McGwire/Stanton-level. Power is an older player's skill anyways, so it wasn't that realistic to expect him to come up and mash right away. It took Bryce Harper a couple of seasons to get to his power.

                  3. His HR/FB rate is above average; it's not even close to being out-of-this-world.

                  4. He's a much more disciplined hitter than Dave Kingman. It's like saying Dustin Pedroia is similar to David Eckstein because they're scrappy white dudes who make a lot of contact.

                  5. Bottom line: he's a rookie and he's already going to be a +5 win player, assuming he's not a pumpkin down the stretch. He's been even better than expected IMO. Just because he's accumulating his value in an unexpected way doesn't mean he's a disappointment.
                  Both Kingman and Bryant sport 3/1 K/BB ratios. Walks are down and K's are up compared to that era, but a ratio is still a ratio. League average HR/FB rate is around 9.5% and he's at 13.5%...that's more than above average, IMO. Now, that may be something he can maintain, but it does stand out.

                  Look, I'm not saying he's a bad player...it's just he's been disappointing at the plate IMO. He could very well develop into a super star, but he's not where I thought he'd be at the plate.
                  "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

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                  • WaitTilNextYear
                    Go Cubs Go
                    • Mar 2013
                    • 16830

                    #819
                    Re: 8/3 - 8/16 Game Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by Chip Douglass
                    1. He's a 6'5 slugger; the strikeouts were to be expected and it's something you live with in exchange for the power.

                    2. The BABIP is due for regression, but I don't think it's fair to point out areas where he's going to regress without pointing out that he's only scratching the surface of his true power potential. He was given an 80 raw power grade as a prospect, which is McGwire/Stanton-level. Power is an older player's skill anyways, so it wasn't that realistic to expect him to come up and mash right away. It took Bryce Harper a couple of seasons to get to his power.

                    3. His HR/FB rate is above average; it's not even close to being out-of-this-world.

                    4. He's a much more disciplined hitter than Dave Kingman. It's like saying Dustin Pedroia is similar to David Eckstein because they're scrappy white dudes who make a lot of contact.

                    5. Bottom line: he's a rookie and he's already going to be a +5 win player, assuming he's not a pumpkin down the stretch. He's been even better than expected IMO. Just because he's accumulating his value in an unexpected way doesn't mean he's a disappointment.
                    I totally agree. This is a great point. People figured Bryant's HR total would be something near double of what it currently is, so they poo poo his season a bit. However, they also couldn't have imagined his prowess at 3B (+5.8 UZR/150) and on the basepaths. In fact, if you take Arenado out of the NL, Bryant would be a fine candidate for a Gold Glove at 3B.

                    This dude has been hitting cleanup for a Cubs team nearly 20-games over .500 and he's produced a 126 wRC+ (most guys who do 130-ish wRC+/+5 fWAR at 3B for an entire 10-15 year career are what we call HoF candidates...something to think about even if he stagnates) and a very respectable .360 OBP despite striking out 30% of the time (Szymborski nailed that strike out rate by the way with his preseason ZiPS). I am also not convinced that his .340-ish BABIP is too high for him. His MiLB BABIP numbers were closer to .400 or over.
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                    • Master Live 013
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Oct 2013
                      • 12410

                      #820
                      Re: 8/3 - 8/16 Game Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by ThreeKing
                      Rizzo or Abreu for the next 10 years? And Cubs and Sox fans aren't allowed to answer. lol
                      Considering their ages that isn't a fair question.
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                      • Master Live 013
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Oct 2013
                        • 12410

                        #821
                        Re: 8/3 - 8/16 Game Discussion Thread




                        A 13.5% HR/FB is nowhere near close to "out of this world".
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                        • l3ulvl
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 17247

                          #822
                          Re: 8/3 - 8/16 Game Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by Trent Booty
                          I've always liked Nick Swisher. I wished the Mariners signed him in 2013 (I think) when he was a big FA but he went to the Tribe. Looking back, I'm glad we didn't, lol.
                          I've never liked Nick Swisher
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                          • Sportsforever
                            NL MVP
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 20368

                            #823
                            Re: 8/3 - 8/16 Game Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by Master Live 013



                            A 13.5% HR/FB is nowhere near close to "out of this world".
                            Wait...a ratio in the top 30 in the game isn't "out of this world"? I've already stated he will probably maintain it due to his power (power hitters usually do...as you see on the list)...my point was he's only hit 14 homers and it isn't because he's been unlucky.
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                            • WaitTilNextYear
                              Go Cubs Go
                              • Mar 2013
                              • 16830

                              #824
                              Re: 8/3 - 8/16 Game Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by Sportsforever
                              Wait...a ratio in the top 30 in the game isn't "out of this world"? I've already stated he will probably maintain it due to his power (power hitters usually do...as you see on the list)...my point was he's only hit 14 homers and it isn't because he's been unlucky.
                              He's not in the top 30, though. I think that was his whole point. In fact, Bryant's 3% off the pace for 30th.
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                              • Master Live 013
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Oct 2013
                                • 12410

                                #825
                                Re: 8/3 - 8/16 Game Discussion Thread

                                He is actually on Page 3 at #63. Perhaps we have different definitions of what "out of this world" mean.
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