Ichiro WILL Make it

**Karlos05** · 09-30-2004, 10:59 PM

Re: Ichiro WILL Make it

Originally posted by joeboo

I hate to bring this debate up, but thought it might spark some interesting conversation.

Ichiro is going to break the record unless he goes on some horrible slump the last few games. HOWEVER, Sisler did it in 154 games. Ichiro didn't.

It doesn't take anything away from the record, but is it the type of thing where you'd consider putting an asterick beside his soon to be record?

Did you by any chance read Rick Reilly's article this week in SI?

**mjb2124** · 09-30-2004, 11:17 PM

Re: Ichiro WILL Make it

Originally posted by Karlos05

Did you by any chance read Rick Reilly's article this week in SI?

Yes I did. Ironically his article is the first thing I read in SI. Reilly was very harsh on him, but he did make some valid points. Still, what Ichiro has done this year has been pretty amazing.

**mjb2124** · 09-30-2004, 11:17 PM

Re: Ichiro WILL Make it

Originally posted by Karlos05

Did you by any chance read Rick Reilly's article this week in SI?

Yes I did. Ironically his article is the first thing I read in SI. Reilly was very harsh on him, but he did make some valid points. Still, what Ichiro has done this year has been pretty amazing.

**SportsTop** · 10-01-2004, 02:45 AM

Re: Ichiro WILL Make it

I would have a hard time voting Ichiro MVP even over Mora and Tejada. Ichiro hasn't even scored a 100 runs yet, isn't even on the radar in doubles, and his stolen base numbers are nothing to write home about. It's not like any of his stats (or even his overall play this year) really make you jump out of your seat (other than the number of hits) and think "MVP".

Sheffield, Ortiz, Manny, and Vlad all have better cases for the MVP award.

On a side note......

It's interesting that most of America is taking an interest in seeing Ichiro break Sisler's record, but did you know that when Tuffy Rhodes played in the Japanese League he tied Sadaharu Oh for most home runs in a season (55) with a few games left to play and they didn't even pitch to him the rest of the season. They literally rolled the ball up to the plate on a few occasions. That is how reverred Oh and his HR record are in Japan. So much so that they didn't want a foreigner breaking the Japanese Babe Ruth's HR record.

Now could you imagine the uproar if Rangers walked Ichiro every plate appearance over the next three games?

It's quite an achievement to break a record as long-standing as this, but it isn't the glamour record like HR, RBI, or K's (for a pitcher). In fact, I think that if Gagne or Rivera were to break the Save record this year it would get more attention than breaking the hits record.

**SportsTop** · 10-01-2004, 02:45 AM

Re: Ichiro WILL Make it

I would have a hard time voting Ichiro MVP even over Mora and Tejada. Ichiro hasn't even scored a 100 runs yet, isn't even on the radar in doubles, and his stolen base numbers are nothing to write home about. It's not like any of his stats (or even his overall play this year) really make you jump out of your seat (other than the number of hits) and think "MVP".

Sheffield, Ortiz, Manny, and Vlad all have better cases for the MVP award.

On a side note......

It's interesting that most of America is taking an interest in seeing Ichiro break Sisler's record, but did you know that when Tuffy Rhodes played in the Japanese League he tied Sadaharu Oh for most home runs in a season (55) with a few games left to play and they didn't even pitch to him the rest of the season. They literally rolled the ball up to the plate on a few occasions. That is how reverred Oh and his HR record are in Japan. So much so that they didn't want a foreigner breaking the Japanese Babe Ruth's HR record.

Now could you imagine the uproar if Rangers walked Ichiro every plate appearance over the next three games?

It's quite an achievement to break a record as long-standing as this, but it isn't the glamour record like HR, RBI, or K's (for a pitcher). In fact, I think that if Gagne or Rivera were to break the Save record this year it would get more attention than breaking the hits record.

**cyyounghalladay** · 10-01-2004, 07:53 AM

Re: Ichiro WILL Make it

Originally posted by joeboo

I hate to bring this debate up, but thought it might spark some interesting conversation.

Ichiro is going to break the record unless he goes on some horrible slump the last few games. HOWEVER, Sisler did it in 154 games. Ichiro didn't.

It doesn't take anything away from the record, but is it the type of thing where you'd consider putting an asterick beside his soon to be record?

There should be two sets of records .. one for the old schedule of 154 games and one for the current schedule. It's not Suzuki's fault that there's 8 extra games now, but he has had those 8 extra games in which to pass Sisler, so in a sense, he won't really have broken Sisler's record at all. But he will have the 162-game record. If that makes any sense.

So I think it should be an asterisked record. But it's still quite the accomplishment. 200 hits is incredible .. 250+ is unheard of in our times.

**cyyounghalladay** · 10-01-2004, 07:53 AM

Re: Ichiro WILL Make it

Originally posted by joeboo

I hate to bring this debate up, but thought it might spark some interesting conversation.

Ichiro is going to break the record unless he goes on some horrible slump the last few games. HOWEVER, Sisler did it in 154 games. Ichiro didn't.

It doesn't take anything away from the record, but is it the type of thing where you'd consider putting an asterick beside his soon to be record?

There should be two sets of records .. one for the old schedule of 154 games and one for the current schedule. It's not Suzuki's fault that there's 8 extra games now, but he has had those 8 extra games in which to pass Sisler, so in a sense, he won't really have broken Sisler's record at all. But he will have the 162-game record. If that makes any sense.

So I think it should be an asterisked record. But it's still quite the accomplishment. 200 hits is incredible .. 250+ is unheard of in our times.

**mgoblue** · 10-01-2004, 08:00 AM

Re: Ichiro WILL Make it

Originally posted by cyyounghalladay

There should be two sets of records .. one for the old schedule of 154 games and one for the current schedule. It's not Suzuki's fault that there's 8 extra games now, but he has had those 8 extra games in which to pass Sisler, so in a sense, he won't really have broken Sisler's record at all. But he will have the 162-game record. If that makes any sense.

So I think it should be an asterisked record. But it's still quite the accomplishment. 200 hits is incredible .. 250+ is unheard of in our times.

the game's a lot different now...players are a lot more equal in talent now vs during the 20's - 40's...I think it's near impossible to compare a record back then to now.

**mgoblue** · 10-01-2004, 08:00 AM

Re: Ichiro WILL Make it

Originally posted by cyyounghalladay

There should be two sets of records .. one for the old schedule of 154 games and one for the current schedule. It's not Suzuki's fault that there's 8 extra games now, but he has had those 8 extra games in which to pass Sisler, so in a sense, he won't really have broken Sisler's record at all. But he will have the 162-game record. If that makes any sense.

So I think it should be an asterisked record. But it's still quite the accomplishment. 200 hits is incredible .. 250+ is unheard of in our times.

the game's a lot different now...players are a lot more equal in talent now vs during the 20's - 40's...I think it's near impossible to compare a record back then to now.

**mjb2124** · 10-01-2004, 08:53 AM

Re: Ichiro WILL Make it

Originally posted by mgoblue

the game's a lot different now...players are a lot more equal in talent now vs during the 20's - 40's...I think it's near impossible to compare a record back then to now.

With that theory then almost all baseball records should be voided. I'm not sure I agree with that.

I can't debate the difference in the game and players during Sisler's time and now because there is a huge difference (some favors today's game, some favors the game of the past). However, a record is a record and the record holder still has to go out and do it no matter who he plays against.

**mjb2124** · 10-01-2004, 08:53 AM

Re: Ichiro WILL Make it

Originally posted by mgoblue

the game's a lot different now...players are a lot more equal in talent now vs during the 20's - 40's...I think it's near impossible to compare a record back then to now.

With that theory then almost all baseball records should be voided. I'm not sure I agree with that.

I can't debate the difference in the game and players during Sisler's time and now because there is a huge difference (some favors today's game, some favors the game of the past). However, a record is a record and the record holder still has to go out and do it no matter who he plays against.

**nyisles16** · 10-01-2004, 09:16 PM

Re: Ichiro WILL Make it

tied the record in 1st inning tonight - 257.. way to go, Ichiro

**nyisles16** · 10-01-2004, 09:16 PM

Re: Ichiro WILL Make it

tied the record in 1st inning tonight - 257.. way to go, Ichiro

**keRplunK** · 10-01-2004, 09:29 PM

Re: Ichiro WILL Make it

So amazing, seriously.

**keRplunK** · 10-01-2004, 09:29 PM

Re: Ichiro WILL Make it

So amazing, seriously.

Ichiro WILL Make it

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