8/8 - 8/21 Game Discussion Thread

[DamnYanks2]

Re: 8/8 - 8/21 Game Discussion Thread

The man did some extremely douchey things, I get it and he has to live with that for the rest of his life.

But I hate the way arod is just being pushed away, the man was one of the greatest to ever do it. Steroids or no steroids.

This all just feels extremely wrong.

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[rkwittem]

Re: 8/8 - 8/21 Game Discussion Thread

Like I said he has 22 total outings under his belt in the majors. He's struggled mightily this year, doesn't mean you decide HR can't crack it as a starter. That's ridiculous.

Maybe he flames out like Phil Hughes, or maybe he doesn't, only way to find out is to keep giving him opportunities.

Hell, you could argue Pineda should have been demoted earlier in the season, he was awful, but he figured things out, and has been much better.

I have no problem giving him opportunities in the bullpen to build his confidence, which I agreed on initially. But correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like your saying give up on him a as a starting pitcher. And that's crazy.

Dude might be the next Arrieta and maybe not, but now's the time to figure out whether can bring to the table, it's not as if the Yankees are going for it now.

Sev got demoted today too, which I disagree with.

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Guys with two non-elite pitches cannot hack it as a starter at the Major League level of the sport. This is a proven fact with years of precedent and evidence to support it. Severino does not have a 3rd pitch.

Unless you are prepared to claim that his fastball/cutter combo is good enough for him to fulfill the promise he supposedly has, or disagree with my premise entirely, I don't know how you can claim that he will be anything but a classic AAAA starter.

[DamnYanks2]

Re: 8/8 - 8/21 Game Discussion Thread

Guys with two non-elite pitches cannot hack it as a starter at the Major League level of the sport. This is a proven fact with years of precedent and evidence to support it. Severino does not have a 3rd pitch.

Unless you are prepared to claim that his fastball/cutter combo is good enough for him to fulfill the promise he supposedly has, or disagree with my premise entirely, I don't know how you can claim that he will be anything but a classic AAAA starter.

Which is why he needs to further develop his pitches, especially his change-up.

Chris Archer is a classic two pitch pitcher by the way.

But I guess we will just have to agree to disagree .but I think your crazy, to just give up on Sev after just 22 starts.

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[DamnYanks2]

Re: 8/8 - 8/21 Game Discussion Thread

Why the hell didn't you challenge that Girardi, WTF?

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[DamnYanks2]

Re: 8/8 - 8/21 Game Discussion Thread

Oh Look a Arod sighting.

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[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 8/8 - 8/21 Game Discussion Thread

Which is why he needs to further develop his pitches, especially his change-up.

Chris Archer is a classic two pitch pitcher by the way.

But I guess we will just have to agree to disagree .but I think your crazy, to just give up on Sev after just 22 starts.

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This is not a true statement. While his bread and butter is his fastball/slider combo, Chris Archer has also thrown a circle-change 12% of the time in 2016.

According to Brooks Baseball, Archer has thrown 1221 fastballs, 935 sliders, and 297 change ups this season. Hardly evidence that he's a 2-pitch pitcher. Now, Severino also throws a change up (512 fastballs, 305 sliders, and 111 change ups) and with about the same frequency as Archer. This 2-pitch discussion is not rooted in reality, imo. Both Archer and Severino get decent results with the 3rd pitch as well. Throwing the change up much more often makes it less effective. Only pitchers with outstanding change ups can get away with that (even Johan Santana only threw his change up about 25% of the time).

The problem with Severino, and this is not news, is not so much his repertoire as it is that his delivery is so reliant on his upper half. He does not use his leg drive as effectively as most pitchers do and can resort to throwing across his body at times. This raises the risk of an injury and also makes him tire more quickly. Problematic for a starting pitcher.

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[DamnYanks2]

Re: 8/8 - 8/21 Game Discussion Thread

This is not a true statement. While his bread and butter is his fastball/slider combo, Chris Archer has also thrown a circle-change 12% of the time in 2016.

According to Brooks Baseball, Archer has thrown 1221 fastballs, 935 sliders, and 297 change ups this season. Hardly evidence that he's a 2-pitch pitcher. Now, Severino also throws a change up (512 fastballs, 305 sliders, and 111 change ups) and with about the same frequency as Archer. This 2-pitch discussion is not rooted in reality, imo. Both Archer and Severino get decent results with the 3rd pitch as well. Throwing the change up much more often makes it less effective. Only pitchers with outstanding change ups can get away with that (even Johan Santana only threw his change up about 25% of the time).

The problem with Severino, and this is not news, is not so much his repertoire as it is that his delivery is so reliant on his upper half. He does not use his leg drive as effectively as most pitchers do and can resort to throwing across his body at times. This raises the risk of an injury and also makes him tire more quickly. Problematic for a starting pitcher.

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When I say two pitch pitcher, I don't mean he throws those two pitches exclusively, but like you said, its his bread and buttter. Just like Sev, but each have a 3rd pitch. Sev claims he lost confidence in his change-up, and didn't throw it much last night.

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[DamnYanks2]

Re: 8/8 - 8/21 Game Discussion Thread

Gary Sanchez going deeeeeep!

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[jb12780]

Re: 8/8 - 8/21 Game Discussion Thread

They just need to pound it into Severino's head to throw his change up. Yes he has one, just doesn't use it often enough.

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[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 8/8 - 8/21 Game Discussion Thread

When I say two pitch pitcher, I don't mean he throws those two pitches exclusively, but like you said, its his bread and buttter. Just like Sev, but each have a 3rd pitch. Sev claims he lost confidence in his change-up, and didn't throw it much last night.

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They just need to pound it into Severino's head to throw his change up. Yes he has one, just doesn't use it often enough.

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Most starters don't really throw their change up that much, so I'm not really sure what you're looking for here. You'd be hard pressed to find a bunch of starters that throw their change up more than 20-25% of the time. 10-15% is perfectly reasonable and does not say "2-pitch pitcher." You lose deception by throwing the change up too often.

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 8/8 - 8/21 Game Discussion Thread

Cubs to 9-in-a-row with a 3-1 win over LAA. Chapman ends it with 103 mph.

Cubs now 30 games over at 71-41. The rest of the league eating their dust once again.

Cubs-Cards 4 game set starts tomorrow. If STL sweeps the remaining 10 games against the Cubs, they're still facing a 2 game deficit.

[jb12780]

Re: 8/8 - 8/21 Game Discussion Thread

Most starters don't really throw their change up that much, so I'm not really sure what you're looking for here. You'd be hard pressed to find a bunch of starters that throw their change up more than 20-25% of the time. 10-15% is perfectly reasonable and does not say "2-pitch pitcher." You lose deception by throwing the change up too often.

I think he's thrown about a half of dozen changeups the entire season. I don't think he's even at 10 percent.

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[DamnYanks2]

Re: 8/8 - 8/21 Game Discussion Thread

All we are saying is he needs to throw it more often, he barely touched it last night, because he has no confidence in it.

I'm not saying he needs to throw it 50% of the time. I'd be happy with 10 %.



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[SPTO]

Re: 8/8 - 8/21 Game Discussion Thread

No Bautista, no problem! Nice to see the Jays bounce back after getting beaten up. The way J.A. Happ is pitching this season he HAS to get some Cy Young consideration no?

[DamnYanks2]

Re: 8/8 - 8/21 Game Discussion Thread

Absolute implosion by Boston's bullpen, that inning never ended.

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