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  • Redacted01
    Hall Of Fame
    • Aug 2007
    • 10316

    #31
    Re: AL Wild Card: Baltimore Orioles at Toronto Blue Jays

    Stroman's the opening day starter and Liriano was picked up to be the 6th man so I can see why they did it. It wasn't like he was David Price. If Stroman pitches like he did on opening day, I don't see a problem. I'm sure Gibby will be move early if it isn't looking pretty. Game 3 isn't until Sunday so you've got plenty of time to get your rotation back in order if you use an extra starter.

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    • SPTO
      binging
      • Feb 2003
      • 68046

      #32
      Re: AL Wild Card: Baltimore Orioles at Toronto Blue Jays

      "conventional" has never been a way to describe Gibby so this doesn't surprise me from that perspective. Stroman is going to have a very short leash here considering how the O's have hit him this year but one argument you can make is that Stroman generally steps up big time when he's on the big stage. I expect nothing less from the Stro Show here.
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      • Majingir
        Moderator
        • Apr 2005
        • 47645

        #33
        Re: AL Wild Card: Baltimore Orioles at Toronto Blue Jays

        Gotta hope so. And hopefully the bats wake up for Stroman pitching too. Even if he struggles, the bats better bail him out, he's the most popular pitching in the clubhouse, so they better have his back 100%.

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        • BunnyHardaway
          Banned
          • Nov 2004
          • 15195

          #34
          Re: AL Wild Card: Baltimore Orioles at Toronto Blue Jays

          I can't even begin to describe how nervous/scared I am for this game. Please win, Orioles.

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          • DrJones
            All Star
            • Mar 2003
            • 9109

            #35
            Re: AL Wild Card: Baltimore Orioles at Toronto Blue Jays

            Stroman has a 7.04 ERA vs the Orioles in 4 starts this season.

            Unless Liriano's hurt or Gibbons has a death wish, this makes zero sense.
            Last edited by DrJones; 10-03-2016, 10:21 PM.
            Originally posted by Thrash13
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            • Redacted01
              Hall Of Fame
              • Aug 2007
              • 10316

              #36
              Re: AL Wild Card: Baltimore Orioles at Toronto Blue Jays

              Originally posted by DrJones
              Stroman has a 10.13 ERA vs the Orioles in 4 starts this season.

              Unless Liriano's hurt or Gibbons has a death wish, this makes zero sense.
              And Tillman is 5-10 with a 5.44 ERA in 24 starts against Toronto. It's not like they're sending someone out there that has an impressive history. He may have been better this year against Toronto, but this is basically the same team he was 0-4 with a 11.72 ERA against last year. I'm expecting double digits for the winner. Possibly the loser too.

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              • WaitTilNextYear
                Go Cubs Go
                • Mar 2013
                • 16830

                #37
                Re: AL Wild Card: Baltimore Orioles at Toronto Blue Jays

                Originally posted by dochalladay32
                And Tillman is 5-10 with a 5.44 ERA in 24 starts against Toronto. It's not like they're sending someone out there that has an impressive history. He may have been better this year against Toronto, but this is basically the same team he was 0-4 with a 11.72 ERA against last year. I'm expecting double digits for the winner. Possibly the loser too.
                Except for the little fact that this years team scored about 130 fewer runs than last year's team. Other than that...
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                • SPTO
                  binging
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 68046

                  #38
                  Re: AL Wild Card: Baltimore Orioles at Toronto Blue Jays

                  Originally posted by DrJones

                  Unless Liriano's hurt or Gibbons has a death wish, this makes zero sense.
                  I feel like this is the case. Here's hoping Stroman can come up huge like he's done in the past in big situations.
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                  • DrJones
                    All Star
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 9109

                    #39
                    Re: AL Wild Card: Baltimore Orioles at Toronto Blue Jays

                    Originally posted by SPTO
                    I feel like this is the case. Here's hoping Stroman can come up huge like he's done in the past in big situations.
                    I like Stroman, but is there some mountain of evidence for Stroman as a "big-game" pitcher that I'm missing here? If we're ignoring current form and going on pre-2016 performance in "big" games, isn't Liriano still the pick since he's been in this exact scenario before (the 2013 NL Wild Card game vs the Reds) and pitched great?
                    Originally posted by Thrash13
                    Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                    Originally posted by slickdtc
                    DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                    Originally posted by Kipnis22
                    yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                    • SPTO
                      binging
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 68046

                      #40
                      Re: AL Wild Card: Baltimore Orioles at Toronto Blue Jays

                      Originally posted by DrJones
                      I like Stroman, but is there some mountain of evidence for Stroman as a "big-game" pitcher that I'm missing here? If we're ignoring current form and going on pre-2016 performance in "big" games, isn't Liriano still the pick since he's been in this exact scenario before (the 2013 NL Wild Card game vs the Reds) and pitched great?
                      I think a lot of it comes down to loyalty by Gibby and the popularity of Stroman in the clubhouse. I'm not saying it's the move i'd make. I've been on record saying that i'd pitch Liriano.
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                      • DrJones
                        All Star
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 9109

                        #41
                        Re: AL Wild Card: Baltimore Orioles at Toronto Blue Jays

                        Originally posted by SPTO
                        I think a lot of it comes down to loyalty by Gibby and the popularity of Stroman in the clubhouse. I'm not saying it's the move i'd make. I've been on record saying that i'd pitch Liriano.
                        If true, this team needs to be blown to smithereens. This isn't high school.
                        Originally posted by Thrash13
                        Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                        Originally posted by slickdtc
                        DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                        Originally posted by Kipnis22
                        yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                        • Majingir
                          Moderator
                          • Apr 2005
                          • 47645

                          #42
                          Re: AL Wild Card: Baltimore Orioles at Toronto Blue Jays

                          From hearing what Mark Shapiro(Jays president) had to say about the decision to put Stroman in over Liriano, it sounds like a big reason was that they might actually have been planning on using both guys in this game regardless who started. Since Liriano has some more experience coming out of the bullpen, they'll have Stroman start and Liriano pitch in relief.

                          I could see Stroman going 5+(depending on if/when he gets in trouble) and Liriano taking over afterwards. 40% of Stromans runs are given up when the lineup faces him the 3rd or 4th time in the game. So if he pitches knowing he doesn't need to conserve energy, he's only going 5 or so, might lead to a more productive first 5 innings for him, and then hopefully Jays in good enough position to finish game with Liriano,Cecil,Osuna to shut down O's.

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                          • SPTO
                            binging
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 68046

                            #43
                            Re: AL Wild Card: Baltimore Orioles at Toronto Blue Jays

                            Originally posted by Majingir
                            From hearing what Mark Shapiro(Jays president) had to say about the decision to put Stroman in over Liriano, it sounds like a big reason was that they might actually have been planning on using both guys in this game regardless who started. Since Liriano has some more experience coming out of the bullpen, they'll have Stroman start and Liriano pitch in relief.
                            His experience is from 10-11 flipping years ago! Let's also not forget that his one time out of the Jays bullpen was a total wreck. I'd be far more comfortable if they had it switched around but we'll see how it goes.
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                            • Majingir
                              Moderator
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 47645

                              #44
                              Re: AL Wild Card: Baltimore Orioles at Toronto Blue Jays

                              But when he got traded here, he was still willing to go to the bullpen if needed. So I'm sure he's fine with being in bullpen for this one game.

                              And ya, that Rays series he was horrible out of pen, but Jays in general have sucked vs Rays. Don't forget though just a few days later, he pitched 2 innings of relief vs the Yankees and allowed just 1 baserunner in that stretch, striking out 3. At least this one he has over a day to prepare, knowing full well he's gonna be entering the game in relief.

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                              • Jr.
                                Playgirl Coverboy
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 19171

                                #45
                                Re: AL Wild Card: Baltimore Orioles at Toronto Blue Jays

                                Go O's!!!!!!
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