Guillen to Nationals

**dieselboy** · 11-19-2004, 05:30 PM

Re: Guillen to Nationals

I like this move by the Nationals.

Guillen, Vidro, Castillo, Guzman, and Wilkerson. Not a bad lineup.

**dieselboy** · 11-19-2004, 05:30 PM

Re: Guillen to Nationals

I like this move by the Nationals.

Guillen, Vidro, Castillo, Guzman, and Wilkerson. Not a bad lineup.

**rsox** · 11-19-2004, 07:34 PM

Re: Guillen to Nationals

Originally posted by asianflow

I disagree with you guys.

This a bad trade for the Washington club.

Guillen is a head case and the Washington club gave up two quality guys for him.

Rivera's only 26 yrs old and he's cheap. He hit .307-.364-.465 last season, and his walk to strike out ratio was excellent (34 walks only 45 K's).

And then prospect they gave up was SS Maicer Izturis who's a good prospect. This past year, Izturis hit .338-.428-.423 with the AAA Trappers in 376 AB. He had 19 2B, 2 3B and 3 HR with a 57/30 BB/SO ratio.

Another foolish personal move by idiot Bowden who shouldn't be running the Washington club in the first place.

If I'm a GM right now I would calling to get Nick Johnson.

The Expos are going to trade Nick Johnson-so they can move Brad Wilkerson to 1B, they are also going to shop P Tony Armas around, it has nothing to do with Bowden being an "idiot". The league increased payroll and told Bowden to get some players because they can not go to Washington with the same crappy team they finished with last season. They need to put a competitive team on the field or the novelty of baseball in Washington will wear off quickly.
This is not really that bad off a trade, Rivera hit only 12 HR, not the offensive threat a team would like from a corner Outfielder. The only real loss could be Izturis, who has a strong upside, but if the Angels sign Nomar Garciaparra Izturis will either be traded or wind up lost in the Angels farmsystem. I don't think this was a bad trade.

**rsox** · 11-19-2004, 07:34 PM

Re: Guillen to Nationals

Originally posted by asianflow

I disagree with you guys.

This a bad trade for the Washington club.

Guillen is a head case and the Washington club gave up two quality guys for him.

Rivera's only 26 yrs old and he's cheap. He hit .307-.364-.465 last season, and his walk to strike out ratio was excellent (34 walks only 45 K's).

And then prospect they gave up was SS Maicer Izturis who's a good prospect. This past year, Izturis hit .338-.428-.423 with the AAA Trappers in 376 AB. He had 19 2B, 2 3B and 3 HR with a 57/30 BB/SO ratio.

Another foolish personal move by idiot Bowden who shouldn't be running the Washington club in the first place.

If I'm a GM right now I would calling to get Nick Johnson.

The Expos are going to trade Nick Johnson-so they can move Brad Wilkerson to 1B, they are also going to shop P Tony Armas around, it has nothing to do with Bowden being an "idiot". The league increased payroll and told Bowden to get some players because they can not go to Washington with the same crappy team they finished with last season. They need to put a competitive team on the field or the novelty of baseball in Washington will wear off quickly.
This is not really that bad off a trade, Rivera hit only 12 HR, not the offensive threat a team would like from a corner Outfielder. The only real loss could be Izturis, who has a strong upside, but if the Angels sign Nomar Garciaparra Izturis will either be traded or wind up lost in the Angels farmsystem. I don't think this was a bad trade.

**VanCitySportsGuy** · 11-19-2004, 08:24 PM

Re: Guillen to Nationals

Originally posted by rsox

The Expos are going to trade Nick Johnson-so they can move Brad Wilkerson to 1B, they are also going to shop P Tony Armas around, it has nothing to do with Bowden being an "idiot". The league increased payroll and told Bowden to get some players because they can not go to Washington with the same crappy team they finished with last season. They need to put a competitive team on the field or the novelty of baseball in Washington will wear off quickly.
This is not really that bad off a trade, Rivera hit only 12 HR, not the offensive threat a team would like from a corner Outfielder. The only real loss could be Izturis, who has a strong upside, but if the Angels sign Nomar Garciaparra Izturis will either be traded or wind up lost in the Angels farmsystem. I don't think this was a bad trade.

I fail to see how the Nationals are an improved team. Right now the team looks like it will lose 85+ games.

I don't like any of the moves Bowden has made. I don't know Bowden's budget but there are a lot of better FA's out there than Castilla and Guzman they should have a crack at.

I don't even know if Bowden will still be the real GM once they get an owner. If I was coming in I would get rid of Bowden asap.

**VanCitySportsGuy** · 11-19-2004, 08:24 PM

Re: Guillen to Nationals

Originally posted by rsox

The Expos are going to trade Nick Johnson-so they can move Brad Wilkerson to 1B, they are also going to shop P Tony Armas around, it has nothing to do with Bowden being an "idiot". The league increased payroll and told Bowden to get some players because they can not go to Washington with the same crappy team they finished with last season. They need to put a competitive team on the field or the novelty of baseball in Washington will wear off quickly.
This is not really that bad off a trade, Rivera hit only 12 HR, not the offensive threat a team would like from a corner Outfielder. The only real loss could be Izturis, who has a strong upside, but if the Angels sign Nomar Garciaparra Izturis will either be traded or wind up lost in the Angels farmsystem. I don't think this was a bad trade.

I fail to see how the Nationals are an improved team. Right now the team looks like it will lose 85+ games.

I don't like any of the moves Bowden has made. I don't know Bowden's budget but there are a lot of better FA's out there than Castilla and Guzman they should have a crack at.

I don't even know if Bowden will still be the real GM once they get an owner. If I was coming in I would get rid of Bowden asap.

**Misfit** · 11-19-2004, 11:55 PM

Re: Guillen to Nationals

Washington needed some power in the lineup and Tony Batista just isn't going to do it. Guillen was an inexpensive solution, relative to other 30 homer guys with his kind of defense, and he'll improve the pitching staff. Despite Rivera's nice season last year, he isn't anything special. Izturis could be good but he isn't going to hit for power in '05. I wouldn't expect the Nationals to contend in '05 but at least they'll be competetive with Guillen.

**Misfit** · 11-19-2004, 11:55 PM

Re: Guillen to Nationals

Washington needed some power in the lineup and Tony Batista just isn't going to do it. Guillen was an inexpensive solution, relative to other 30 homer guys with his kind of defense, and he'll improve the pitching staff. Despite Rivera's nice season last year, he isn't anything special. Izturis could be good but he isn't going to hit for power in '05. I wouldn't expect the Nationals to contend in '05 but at least they'll be competetive with Guillen.

**TheTruth916** · 11-20-2004, 01:24 AM

Re: Guillen to Nationals

Originally posted by Misfit

Washington needed some power in the lineup and Tony Batista just isn't going to do it. Guillen was an inexpensive solution, relative to other 30 homer guys with his kind of defense, and he'll improve the pitching staff. Despite Rivera's nice season last year, he isn't anything special. Izturis could be good but he isn't going to hit for power in '05. I wouldn't expect the Nationals to contend in '05 but at least they'll be competetive with Guillen.

Are you for real Tony Batista just isn't cutting it?

... 32 homeruns, 110 RBI that looks like production to me.

Guillen. 27 Homeruns and 108 RBI and suspened for the year cause of Poor Conduct.

Juan Rivera could be something special if he could get the playing time. He could be a .300 hitter and hit 20 Homeruns and the kid has a cannon of an arm just like Guillen. Izturis is proclaimed to be a better player then his brother. Izturis has lit up the minors in Triple A and he could start at SS for the Angels and have Eckstein at second. Izturis also has potential to be a .300 hitter and a good defensive player.

And to say the expos will lose 85+ that is a dumb comment cause on paper this team will not lose 85 games.

**TheTruth916** · 11-20-2004, 01:24 AM

Re: Guillen to Nationals

Originally posted by Misfit

Washington needed some power in the lineup and Tony Batista just isn't going to do it. Guillen was an inexpensive solution, relative to other 30 homer guys with his kind of defense, and he'll improve the pitching staff. Despite Rivera's nice season last year, he isn't anything special. Izturis could be good but he isn't going to hit for power in '05. I wouldn't expect the Nationals to contend in '05 but at least they'll be competetive with Guillen.

Are you for real Tony Batista just isn't cutting it?

... 32 homeruns, 110 RBI that looks like production to me.

Guillen. 27 Homeruns and 108 RBI and suspened for the year cause of Poor Conduct.

Juan Rivera could be something special if he could get the playing time. He could be a .300 hitter and hit 20 Homeruns and the kid has a cannon of an arm just like Guillen. Izturis is proclaimed to be a better player then his brother. Izturis has lit up the minors in Triple A and he could start at SS for the Angels and have Eckstein at second. Izturis also has potential to be a .300 hitter and a good defensive player.

And to say the expos will lose 85+ that is a dumb comment cause on paper this team will not lose 85 games.

**VanCitySportsGuy** · 11-20-2004, 01:30 AM

Re: Guillen to Nationals

And to say the expos will lose 85+ that is a dumb comment cause on paper this team will not lose 85 games.

Huh? My comment is dumb because you disagree when I say they will lose 85+ games next year with the current roster?

**VanCitySportsGuy** · 11-20-2004, 01:30 AM

Re: Guillen to Nationals

And to say the expos will lose 85+ that is a dumb comment cause on paper this team will not lose 85 games.

Huh? My comment is dumb because you disagree when I say they will lose 85+ games next year with the current roster?

**Angel_Fan** · 11-20-2004, 01:58 AM

Re: Guillen to Nationals

angels did a bad deal. they couldve gotten so much more than wht they got from washington. if i were stoneman on this one, i wouldve just kept guillen. he was a great player regardless of his off field antics.

**Angel_Fan** · 11-20-2004, 01:58 AM

Re: Guillen to Nationals

angels did a bad deal. they couldve gotten so much more than wht they got from washington. if i were stoneman on this one, i wouldve just kept guillen. he was a great player regardless of his off field antics.

**Misfit** · 11-20-2004, 12:50 PM

Re: Guillen to Nationals

Tony Batista couldn't even manage a .300 OBP last season, do you mean to tell me he is capable of carrying the Montral Expos and being their big hitter? I don't think so. Batista's been horribly inconsisten his whole career and barely has a .250 career batting avereage. He's not going to carry a team, I repeat, he's not going to carry a team.

The only thing Juan Rivera has going for him is he's young so he can get better but he's a fringe starter at best. He's best used coming off the bench to pinch hit, as a defensive replacement, or to receiver a spot start here and there. He hit .300 last year in fewer than 400 at bats and it would appear that he would put up better numbers if he got 500 or more at bats but some guys just don't work that way. I'd expect him to be overexposed if he was a regular and as someone pointed out, he doesn't give you the power you want out of your corner outfielder.

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