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  • MSRoble33
    MVP
    • Aug 2002
    • 1840

    #16
    Re: What all the hype for........

    Why do I keep thinking of Mike Hampton?

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    • MSRoble33
      MVP
      • Aug 2002
      • 1840

      #17
      Re: What all the hype for........

      Why do I keep thinking of Mike Hampton?

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      • Stu
        All Star
        • Jun 2004
        • 7924

        #18
        Re: What all the hype for........

        I disagree that teams are overpaying for pitchers. The bottom line is you need good starting pitching to be competetive. Just ask the Orioles. They went out and got Tejada and Javy Lopez but didn't have good enough pitching to compete.

        Teams like the Red Sox and Marlins win because of quality starting as was shown in this years WS. The Red Sox only allowed 3 runs in the last 3 games of the WS against one of the most potent lineups in baseball.
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        • Stu
          All Star
          • Jun 2004
          • 7924

          #19
          Re: What all the hype for........

          I disagree that teams are overpaying for pitchers. The bottom line is you need good starting pitching to be competetive. Just ask the Orioles. They went out and got Tejada and Javy Lopez but didn't have good enough pitching to compete.

          Teams like the Red Sox and Marlins win because of quality starting as was shown in this years WS. The Red Sox only allowed 3 runs in the last 3 games of the WS against one of the most potent lineups in baseball.
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          • Misfit
            All Star
            • Mar 2003
            • 5766

            #20
            Re: What all the hype for........

            Well for one, Pavano's rise started pretty much after his trip to Fenway in '03 when he got slapped around by the Red Sox. After that he pitched very well down the stretch for the Marlins and into the playoffs (where he was lights out) and that continued into '04. He may have pitched in a pitcher's park, but he led the NL in road wins so I think he is capable of pitching anywhere. And keep in mind, most teams are not courting Pavano with the intentions of him being the ace of their pitching staff.

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            • Misfit
              All Star
              • Mar 2003
              • 5766

              #21
              Re: What all the hype for........

              Well for one, Pavano's rise started pretty much after his trip to Fenway in '03 when he got slapped around by the Red Sox. After that he pitched very well down the stretch for the Marlins and into the playoffs (where he was lights out) and that continued into '04. He may have pitched in a pitcher's park, but he led the NL in road wins so I think he is capable of pitching anywhere. And keep in mind, most teams are not courting Pavano with the intentions of him being the ace of their pitching staff.

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              • Drag66
                Pro
                • Mar 2003
                • 758

                #22
                Re: What all the hype for........

                Originally posted by Picci
                Thank the Mets for driving up the price in the pitching market (Benson was way overpaid).

                "Thank the Mets nothing......If the Yankees do what people are saying they may do, is go with a $250M payroll by adding the likes of Beltran, Pavano, and maybe a new firstbaseman like Delgado.....That's an average of $10M per player on the 25 man squad....There are teams out there that can't afford one $10M player."

                What does this have to so with what I said? Benson was overpaid plain and simple. His contract was used to measure the worth of Jaret Wright, Leiber, Milton, Pavano, etc. Now every pitcher better than Benson (there are alot of them) will say "hey, I'm better than Benson and he makes 7 mil+ per year." It is a domino effect. No way in hell Wright and Leiber knock down 7 mil+ per year contracts if the Mets don't initially sign Benson to that rediculous deal.

                This argument has zero to do with high market v. low market teams. I will add that while the Yanks can outspend everyone, there are alot of owners (Twins anyone?) who have a ton of cash, but are just to darn stingy to put it back into their teams.

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                • Drag66
                  Pro
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 758

                  #23
                  Re: What all the hype for........

                  Originally posted by Picci
                  Thank the Mets for driving up the price in the pitching market (Benson was way overpaid).

                  "Thank the Mets nothing......If the Yankees do what people are saying they may do, is go with a $250M payroll by adding the likes of Beltran, Pavano, and maybe a new firstbaseman like Delgado.....That's an average of $10M per player on the 25 man squad....There are teams out there that can't afford one $10M player."

                  What does this have to so with what I said? Benson was overpaid plain and simple. His contract was used to measure the worth of Jaret Wright, Leiber, Milton, Pavano, etc. Now every pitcher better than Benson (there are alot of them) will say "hey, I'm better than Benson and he makes 7 mil+ per year." It is a domino effect. No way in hell Wright and Leiber knock down 7 mil+ per year contracts if the Mets don't initially sign Benson to that rediculous deal.

                  This argument has zero to do with high market v. low market teams. I will add that while the Yanks can outspend everyone, there are alot of owners (Twins anyone?) who have a ton of cash, but are just to darn stingy to put it back into their teams.

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                  • Vince
                    Bow for Bau
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 26017

                    #24
                    Re: What all the hype for........

                    this guy was good in 03 and 04...I liked him in Montreal too...I don't think he's a 1 year wonder...
                    @ me or dap me

                    http://twitter.com/52isthemike

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                    • Vince
                      Bow for Bau
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 26017

                      #25
                      Re: What all the hype for........

                      this guy was good in 03 and 04...I liked him in Montreal too...I don't think he's a 1 year wonder...
                      @ me or dap me

                      http://twitter.com/52isthemike

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