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  • TheTruth916
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    • Aug 2002
    • 5991

    #16
    Re: Greenwell feels robbed of MVP

    Who cares...Greenwell needs to stay out. MLB had no rule against Steriods then so be it, it was then and this is now. Ken C. said he only used steriods for his shoulder injury he was going through during his MVP season.
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    • TheTruth916
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      • Aug 2002
      • 5991

      #17
      Re: Greenwell feels robbed of MVP

      Who cares...Greenwell needs to stay out. MLB had no rule against Steriods then so be it, it was then and this is now. Ken C. said he only used steriods for his shoulder injury he was going through during his MVP season.
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      • glucklich
        Banned
        • Jun 2004
        • 4272

        #18
        Re: Greenwell feels robbed of MVP

        Originally posted by MSRoble33
        MVP is an individual vs. individual award...

        Championships are teams awards... there's 49 other players on those teams combined that decided that outcome.
        Well if the steroid users are so iconsequential, why are you so staunchly opposed to them...that is if steroid users only account for 1/49th of the teams success as you say?

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        • glucklich
          Banned
          • Jun 2004
          • 4272

          #19
          Re: Greenwell feels robbed of MVP

          Originally posted by MSRoble33
          MVP is an individual vs. individual award...

          Championships are teams awards... there's 49 other players on those teams combined that decided that outcome.
          Well if the steroid users are so iconsequential, why are you so staunchly opposed to them...that is if steroid users only account for 1/49th of the teams success as you say?

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          • SportsTop
            The Few. The Proud.
            • Jul 2003
            • 6716

            #20
            Re: Greenwell feels robbed of MVP

            Originally posted by MSRoble33
            MVP is an individual vs. individual award...

            Championships are teams awards... there's 49 other players on those teams combined that decided that outcome.
            So Canseco (and possibly McGwire) played no role in the Athletics WS title in '89?
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            • SportsTop
              The Few. The Proud.
              • Jul 2003
              • 6716

              #21
              Re: Greenwell feels robbed of MVP

              Originally posted by MSRoble33
              MVP is an individual vs. individual award...

              Championships are teams awards... there's 49 other players on those teams combined that decided that outcome.
              So Canseco (and possibly McGwire) played no role in the Athletics WS title in '89?
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              • MSRoble33
                MVP
                • Aug 2002
                • 1840

                #22
                Re: Greenwell feels robbed of MVP

                Originally posted by Squint
                So Canseco (and possibly McGwire) played no role in the Athletics WS title in '89?
                They weren't the WHOLE offense, defense AND pitching. If I recall, Rickey Henderson, Dave Henderson, Terry Steinbach, Dave Stewart and Dennis Eckersly had MORE impact on that win than Canseco and McGwire.

                Besides, if people wanna say this... why not go check Kevin Mitchell, he put up pretty lofty offensive numbers in his playing days and retired kinda early.

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                • MSRoble33
                  MVP
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 1840

                  #23
                  Re: Greenwell feels robbed of MVP

                  Originally posted by Squint
                  So Canseco (and possibly McGwire) played no role in the Athletics WS title in '89?
                  They weren't the WHOLE offense, defense AND pitching. If I recall, Rickey Henderson, Dave Henderson, Terry Steinbach, Dave Stewart and Dennis Eckersly had MORE impact on that win than Canseco and McGwire.

                  Besides, if people wanna say this... why not go check Kevin Mitchell, he put up pretty lofty offensive numbers in his playing days and retired kinda early.

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                  • glucklich
                    Banned
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 4272

                    #24
                    Re: Greenwell feels robbed of MVP

                    Originally posted by MSRoble33
                    They weren't the WHOLE offense, defense AND pitching. If I recall, Rickey Henderson, Dave Henderson, Terry Steinbach, Dave Stewart and Dennis Eckersly had MORE impact on that win than Canseco and McGwire.

                    Besides, if people wanna say this... why not go check Kevin Mitchell, he put up pretty lofty offensive numbers in his playing days and retired kinda early.

                    Theres also the matter of getting to the WS. And you raise a valid point about the Mitchell or the possibility that the other team had steroid users. Then what? Is that really a valid reason to concede the WS to the As but take away individual awards?

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                    • glucklich
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                      • Jun 2004
                      • 4272

                      #25
                      Re: Greenwell feels robbed of MVP

                      Originally posted by MSRoble33
                      They weren't the WHOLE offense, defense AND pitching. If I recall, Rickey Henderson, Dave Henderson, Terry Steinbach, Dave Stewart and Dennis Eckersly had MORE impact on that win than Canseco and McGwire.

                      Besides, if people wanna say this... why not go check Kevin Mitchell, he put up pretty lofty offensive numbers in his playing days and retired kinda early.

                      Theres also the matter of getting to the WS. And you raise a valid point about the Mitchell or the possibility that the other team had steroid users. Then what? Is that really a valid reason to concede the WS to the As but take away individual awards?

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                      • MSRoble33
                        MVP
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 1840

                        #26
                        Re: Greenwell feels robbed of MVP

                        Originally posted by glucklich
                        Theres also the matter of getting to the WS. And you raise a valid point about the Mitchell or the possibility that the other team had steroid users. Then what? Is that really a valid reason to concede the WS to the As but take away individual awards?
                        I never proposed ANYTHING gets conceded... I just made mention that at least a good point is brought up for Greenwell, while I don't think he will, or should, get his way... at least that was a 1 vs. 1 situation... the WS wasn't.

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                        • MSRoble33
                          MVP
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 1840

                          #27
                          Re: Greenwell feels robbed of MVP

                          Originally posted by glucklich
                          Theres also the matter of getting to the WS. And you raise a valid point about the Mitchell or the possibility that the other team had steroid users. Then what? Is that really a valid reason to concede the WS to the As but take away individual awards?
                          I never proposed ANYTHING gets conceded... I just made mention that at least a good point is brought up for Greenwell, while I don't think he will, or should, get his way... at least that was a 1 vs. 1 situation... the WS wasn't.

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                          • SportsTop
                            The Few. The Proud.
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 6716

                            #28
                            Re: Greenwell feels robbed of MVP

                            Originally posted by MSRoble33
                            I never proposed ANYTHING gets conceded... I just made mention that at least a good point is brought up for Greenwell, while I don't think he will, or should, get his way... at least that was a 1 vs. 1 situation... the WS wasn't.
                            This whole thing is ridiculous. If Greenwell respected the game (unlike the steroid users) then he would have just let this go without saying anything. The only thing it does is raise yet another argument and create more attention on something so negative and take away from the start of the 2005 season.
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                            • SportsTop
                              The Few. The Proud.
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 6716

                              #29
                              Re: Greenwell feels robbed of MVP

                              Originally posted by MSRoble33
                              I never proposed ANYTHING gets conceded... I just made mention that at least a good point is brought up for Greenwell, while I don't think he will, or should, get his way... at least that was a 1 vs. 1 situation... the WS wasn't.
                              This whole thing is ridiculous. If Greenwell respected the game (unlike the steroid users) then he would have just let this go without saying anything. The only thing it does is raise yet another argument and create more attention on something so negative and take away from the start of the 2005 season.
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                              • MSRoble33
                                MVP
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 1840

                                #30
                                Re: Greenwell feels robbed of MVP

                                Originally posted by Squint
                                This whole thing is ridiculous. If Greenwell respected the game (unlike the steroid users) then he would have just let this go without saying anything. The only thing it does is raise yet another argument and create more attention on something so negative and take away from the start of the 2005 season.
                                I agree... he should'nt have... but he did, and it DOES bring up a point (to an extent).. my only defense of ANYTHING in this debate is about the WS and that being a team effort and not as much indivdual based..

                                I, personally, think everything needs left as it is.. start new with a nice thick dark line on where MLB stands regarding steroids.

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