Best Shortstop of Each Division

[DuffysCliff]

Re: Best Shortstop of Each Division

I see what you're saying, but Jeter has every intangible that alot of other players dont have. That counts for a lot, too.

Those intangibles sure came into play last postseason during the ALCS, where he put up a .566 OPS (.333 OBP, .233 SLG), and made a couple errors (I couldn't find the exact number anywhere, but I think I remember there was two). And that diving play where he went into the stands? At least half of the shortstops make that play, including Miguel Tejada, without having to dive into the stands, as they have better range than Jeter. Granted, he sacrificed his body and all, I'm just saying it was a pretty over rated play.

While Jeter puts up a better OBP than Tejada, Tejada is a better fielder, puts up a better SLG% and OPS and last year, and put up a better batting average. The fact that Jeter has a better OBP may be because he had better protection, like Sheffield and A-Rod, although, Tejada protection wasn't to shabby with Lopez and Mora (though I don't know what the actual order was).

Here's both Jeter and Tejada's 3 year averages (in that order)

<table border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" width="772"> <tbody><tr bgcolor="#aaaaa4"><td class="SCHEDbold">Overall</td><td align="right">AB</td><td align="right">R</td><td align="right">H</td><td align="right">2B</td><td align="right">3B</td><td align="right">HR</td><td align="right">RBI</td><td align="right">BB</td><td align="right">HBP</td><td align="right">SO</td><td align="right">SB</td><td align="right">CS</td><td align="right">AVG</td><td align="right">OBP</td><td align="right">SLG</td><td align="right">OPS</td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#ccccc4"><td width="115">Total</td><td align="right">1769</td><td align="right">322</td><td align="right">535</td><td align="right">95
</td><td align="right">4
</td><td align="right">51
</td><td align="right">205
</td><td align="right">162
</td><td align="right">34
</td><td align="right">301
</td><td align="right">66
</td><td align="right">12
</td><td align="right">.302
</td><td align="right">.371
</td><td align="right">.447
</td><td align="right">.818</td></tr></tbody> </table> <table border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" width="772"> <tbody><tr bgcolor="#aaaaa4"><td class="SCHEDbold">Overall</td><td align="right">AB</td><td align="right">R</td><td align="right">H</td><td align="right">2B</td><td align="right">3B</td><td align="right">HR</td><td align="right">RBI</td><td align="right">BB</td><td align="right">HBP</td><td align="right">SO</td><td align="right">SB</td><td align="right">CS</td><td align="right">AVG</td><td align="right">OBP</td><td align="right">SLG</td><td align="right">OPS</td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#ccccc4"><td width="115">Total</td><td align="right">1951</td><td align="right">313</td><td align="right">584</td><td align="right">112
</td><td align="right">2
</td><td align="right">95
</td><td align="right">387
</td><td align="right">139
</td><td align="right">27
</td><td align="right">222
</td><td align="right">21
</td><td align="right">3
</td><td align="right">.299
</td><td align="right">.350
</td><td align="right">.505
</td><td align="right">.855</td></tr></tbody> </table>

"Intangibles" don't count for that much of a difference, in my opinion.

[DuffysCliff]

Re: Best Shortstop of Each Division

I see what you're saying, but Jeter has every intangible that alot of other players dont have. That counts for a lot, too.

Those intangibles sure came into play last postseason during the ALCS, where he put up a .566 OPS (.333 OBP, .233 SLG), and made a couple errors (I couldn't find the exact number anywhere, but I think I remember there was two). And that diving play where he went into the stands? At least half of the shortstops make that play, including Miguel Tejada, without having to dive into the stands, as they have better range than Jeter. Granted, he sacrificed his body and all, I'm just saying it was a pretty over rated play.

While Jeter puts up a better OBP than Tejada, Tejada is a better fielder, puts up a better SLG% and OPS and last year, and put up a better batting average. The fact that Jeter has a better OBP may be because he had better protection, like Sheffield and A-Rod, although, Tejada protection wasn't to shabby with Lopez and Mora (though I don't know what the actual order was).

Here's both Jeter and Tejada's 3 year averages (in that order)

<table border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" width="772"> <tbody><tr bgcolor="#aaaaa4"><td class="SCHEDbold">Overall</td><td align="right">AB</td><td align="right">R</td><td align="right">H</td><td align="right">2B</td><td align="right">3B</td><td align="right">HR</td><td align="right">RBI</td><td align="right">BB</td><td align="right">HBP</td><td align="right">SO</td><td align="right">SB</td><td align="right">CS</td><td align="right">AVG</td><td align="right">OBP</td><td align="right">SLG</td><td align="right">OPS</td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#ccccc4"><td width="115">Total</td><td align="right">1769</td><td align="right">322</td><td align="right">535</td><td align="right">95
</td><td align="right">4
</td><td align="right">51
</td><td align="right">205
</td><td align="right">162
</td><td align="right">34
</td><td align="right">301
</td><td align="right">66
</td><td align="right">12
</td><td align="right">.302
</td><td align="right">.371
</td><td align="right">.447
</td><td align="right">.818</td></tr></tbody> </table> <table border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" width="772"> <tbody><tr bgcolor="#aaaaa4"><td class="SCHEDbold">Overall</td><td align="right">AB</td><td align="right">R</td><td align="right">H</td><td align="right">2B</td><td align="right">3B</td><td align="right">HR</td><td align="right">RBI</td><td align="right">BB</td><td align="right">HBP</td><td align="right">SO</td><td align="right">SB</td><td align="right">CS</td><td align="right">AVG</td><td align="right">OBP</td><td align="right">SLG</td><td align="right">OPS</td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#ccccc4"><td width="115">Total</td><td align="right">1951</td><td align="right">313</td><td align="right">584</td><td align="right">112
</td><td align="right">2
</td><td align="right">95
</td><td align="right">387
</td><td align="right">139
</td><td align="right">27
</td><td align="right">222
</td><td align="right">21
</td><td align="right">3
</td><td align="right">.299
</td><td align="right">.350
</td><td align="right">.505
</td><td align="right">.855</td></tr></tbody> </table>

"Intangibles" don't count for that much of a difference, in my opinion.

[SmUrFiNaToR]

Re: Best Shortstop of Each Division

true, he didn't have his best postseason last year but he has come through the clutch so many times before. How can anyone forget the play against Oakland that literally saved their season. The fact is, Jeter is just one of the smartest ballplayers out there. You rarely see him make any mental mistakes. He might not have the pure talent that others do, but he doesn't do much wrong.

[SmUrFiNaToR]

Re: Best Shortstop of Each Division

true, he didn't have his best postseason last year but he has come through the clutch so many times before. How can anyone forget the play against Oakland that literally saved their season. The fact is, Jeter is just one of the smartest ballplayers out there. You rarely see him make any mental mistakes. He might not have the pure talent that others do, but he doesn't do much wrong.

[DuffysCliff]

Re: Best Shortstop of Each Division

true, he didn't have his best postseason last year but he has come through the clutch so many times before. How can anyone forget the play against Oakland that literally saved their season. The fact is, Jeter is just one of the smartest ballplayers out there. You rarely see him make any mental mistakes. He might not have the pure talent that others do, but he doesn't do much wrong.

All of this is true, but I don't think he does quite enough to make him the best shortstop in the AL East. Besides, he's not even the best shortstop on his team.

[DuffysCliff]

Re: Best Shortstop of Each Division

true, he didn't have his best postseason last year but he has come through the clutch so many times before. How can anyone forget the play against Oakland that literally saved their season. The fact is, Jeter is just one of the smartest ballplayers out there. You rarely see him make any mental mistakes. He might not have the pure talent that others do, but he doesn't do much wrong.

All of this is true, but I don't think he does quite enough to make him the best shortstop in the AL East. Besides, he's not even the best shortstop on his team.

[kweiss]

Re: Best Shortstop of Each Division

true, he didn't have his best postseason last year but he has come through the clutch so many times before. How can anyone forget the play against Oakland that literally saved their season. The fact is, Jeter is just one of the smartest ballplayers out there. You rarely see him make any mental mistakes. He might not have the pure talent that others do, but he doesn't do much wrong.

Sorry in advance for getting a little off topic.

I felt that play against Oakland was over rated as well. It was a great flip and all, but it was more of a bad play on Jeremy Giambi's part not to slide. If Giambi isn't loafing his was to home the play wouldn't have even been close, and that highlight would just be considered a "nice try".

[kweiss]

Re: Best Shortstop of Each Division

true, he didn't have his best postseason last year but he has come through the clutch so many times before. How can anyone forget the play against Oakland that literally saved their season. The fact is, Jeter is just one of the smartest ballplayers out there. You rarely see him make any mental mistakes. He might not have the pure talent that others do, but he doesn't do much wrong.

Sorry in advance for getting a little off topic.

I felt that play against Oakland was over rated as well. It was a great flip and all, but it was more of a bad play on Jeremy Giambi's part not to slide. If Giambi isn't loafing his was to home the play wouldn't have even been close, and that highlight would just be considered a "nice try".

[rsox]

Re: Best Shortstop of Each Division

AL
East: Miguel Tejada
Central: Carlos Guillen
West: Michael Young

NL
East: Rafael Furcal
Central: Nomar Garciaparra
West: Omar Vizquel

[rsox]

Re: Best Shortstop of Each Division

AL
East: Miguel Tejada
Central: Carlos Guillen
West: Michael Young

NL
East: Rafael Furcal
Central: Nomar Garciaparra
West: Omar Vizquel

[Misfit]

Re: Best Shortstop of Each Division

Well, Jeter strikes out a lot and isn't great in the hole. I like Jeter and all as a player, but I think Tejada is the best shortstop in the league now that Arod is a third baseman. He hits for power, plays a gold glove calibre defense, and is a strong clubhouse presence. He's worked himself to the top of the ladder in my opinion.

[Misfit]

Re: Best Shortstop of Each Division

Well, Jeter strikes out a lot and isn't great in the hole. I like Jeter and all as a player, but I think Tejada is the best shortstop in the league now that Arod is a third baseman. He hits for power, plays a gold glove calibre defense, and is a strong clubhouse presence. He's worked himself to the top of the ladder in my opinion.

[dieselboy]

Re: Best Shortstop of Each Division

AL
East: Miguel Tejada
Central: Carlos Guillen
West: Michael Young

NL
East: Rafael Furcal
Central: Nomar Garciaparra
West: Cesary Izturis

[dieselboy]

Re: Best Shortstop of Each Division

AL
East: Miguel Tejada
Central: Carlos Guillen
West: Michael Young

NL
East: Rafael Furcal
Central: Nomar Garciaparra
West: Cesary Izturis

[Mr. Bee]

Re: Best Shortstop of Each Division

I'll just speak of what I know the best

AL Central: Carlos Guillen

It isnt even close