Best Shortstop of Each Division

[BatsareBugs]

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Izturis still had a productive year at the plate. He is the best SS in the division, thus far.

Yes he did, although he stuttered towards the end of the season.

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AL West: Michael Young
AL Central: Carlos Guillen
AL East: Miguel Tejada
NL West: Khalil Greene[potential factor]
NL Central: Nomar Garciapara
NL East: Jimmy Rollins

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AL West: Michael Young
AL Central: Carlos Guillen
AL East: Miguel Tejada
NL West: Khalil Greene[potential factor]
NL Central: Nomar Garciapara
NL East: Jimmy Rollins

[BatsareBugs]

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About the NL East, it is very close between Furcal and Rollins. Now I haven't watched those two enough to distinguish who may be better, but on paper you'd be gietting fits trying to determine who the better one is.

[BatsareBugs]

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About the NL East, it is very close between Furcal and Rollins. Now I haven't watched those two enough to distinguish who may be better, but on paper you'd be gietting fits trying to determine who the better one is.

[skitch]

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AL
East: Derek Jeter - Love him or hate him, he gets the job done: He wins.
Central: Carlos Guillen
West: Michael Young

NL
East: Rafael Furcal
Central: Nomar Garciaparra (if healthy)/Jack Wilson
West: Khalil Greene

[skitch]

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AL
East: Derek Jeter - Love him or hate him, he gets the job done: He wins.
Central: Carlos Guillen
West: Michael Young

NL
East: Rafael Furcal
Central: Nomar Garciaparra (if healthy)/Jack Wilson
West: Khalil Greene

[RoyalBoyle78]

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Derek Jeter isn't that great defensively. There were rumors when Arod was acquired that he would eventually supplant Jeter at short, and Derek would move to second. His range and arm are average. He just has a knack for making big plays.

Im a huge Mets fan, but I do think Jeter is a great player, but sull you said (His range and arm are average) I say your freakin crazy, I've seen Jeter make better Range throws then a lot other players I ever seen in my time, So put down the crack pipe Sull.......lol

[RoyalBoyle78]

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Derek Jeter isn't that great defensively. There were rumors when Arod was acquired that he would eventually supplant Jeter at short, and Derek would move to second. His range and arm are average. He just has a knack for making big plays.

Im a huge Mets fan, but I do think Jeter is a great player, but sull you said (His range and arm are average) I say your freakin crazy, I've seen Jeter make better Range throws then a lot other players I ever seen in my time, So put down the crack pipe Sull.......lol

[RoyalBoyle78]

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Those intangibles sure came into play last postseason during the ALCS, where he put up a .566 OPS (.333 OBP, .233 SLG), and made a couple errors (I couldn't find the exact number anywhere, but I think I remember there was two). And that diving play where he went into the stands? At least half of the shortstops make that play, including Miguel Tejada, without having to dive into the stands, as they have better range than Jeter. Granted, he sacrificed his body and all, I'm just saying it was a pretty over rated play.

While Jeter puts up a better OBP than Tejada, Tejada is a better fielder, puts up a better SLG% and OPS and last year, and put up a better batting average. The fact that Jeter has a better OBP may be because he had better protection, like Sheffield and A-Rod, although, Tejada protection wasn't to shabby with Lopez and Mora (though I don't know what the actual order was).

Here's both Jeter and Tejada's 3 year averages (in that order)

<table border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" width="772"> <tbody><tr bgcolor="#aaaaa4"><td class="SCHEDbold">Overall</td><td align="right">AB</td><td align="right">R</td><td align="right">H</td><td align="right">2B</td><td align="right">3B</td><td align="right">HR</td><td align="right">RBI</td><td align="right">BB</td><td align="right">HBP</td><td align="right">SO</td><td align="right">SB</td><td align="right">CS</td><td align="right">AVG</td><td align="right">OBP</td><td align="right">SLG</td><td align="right">OPS</td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#ccccc4"><td width="115">Total</td><td align="right">1769</td><td align="right">322</td><td align="right">535</td><td align="right">95
</td><td align="right">4
</td><td align="right">51
</td><td align="right">205
</td><td align="right">162
</td><td align="right">34
</td><td align="right">301
</td><td align="right">66
</td><td align="right">12
</td><td align="right">.302
</td><td align="right">.371
</td><td align="right">.447
</td><td align="right">.818</td></tr></tbody> </table> <table border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" width="772"> <tbody><tr bgcolor="#aaaaa4"><td class="SCHEDbold">Overall</td><td align="right">AB</td><td align="right">R</td><td align="right">H</td><td align="right">2B</td><td align="right">3B</td><td align="right">HR</td><td align="right">RBI</td><td align="right">BB</td><td align="right">HBP</td><td align="right">SO</td><td align="right">SB</td><td align="right">CS</td><td align="right">AVG</td><td align="right">OBP</td><td align="right">SLG</td><td align="right">OPS</td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#ccccc4"><td width="115">Total</td><td align="right">1951</td><td align="right">313</td><td align="right">584</td><td align="right">112
</td><td align="right">2
</td><td align="right">95
</td><td align="right">387
</td><td align="right">139
</td><td align="right">27
</td><td align="right">222
</td><td align="right">21
</td><td align="right">3
</td><td align="right">.299
</td><td align="right">.350
</td><td align="right">.505
</td><td align="right">.855</td></tr></tbody> </table>

"Intangibles" don't count for that much of a difference, in my opinion.

You Boston fans are funny, Jeter nearly cracked his face open, and you say it was an overated play, LOL....nobody from The Redsox could make that play or would even try it for that matter, Thats what Makes Jeter, well Jeter.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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Those intangibles sure came into play last postseason during the ALCS, where he put up a .566 OPS (.333 OBP, .233 SLG), and made a couple errors (I couldn't find the exact number anywhere, but I think I remember there was two). And that diving play where he went into the stands? At least half of the shortstops make that play, including Miguel Tejada, without having to dive into the stands, as they have better range than Jeter. Granted, he sacrificed his body and all, I'm just saying it was a pretty over rated play.

While Jeter puts up a better OBP than Tejada, Tejada is a better fielder, puts up a better SLG% and OPS and last year, and put up a better batting average. The fact that Jeter has a better OBP may be because he had better protection, like Sheffield and A-Rod, although, Tejada protection wasn't to shabby with Lopez and Mora (though I don't know what the actual order was).

Here's both Jeter and Tejada's 3 year averages (in that order)

<table border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" width="772"> <tbody><tr bgcolor="#aaaaa4"><td class="SCHEDbold">Overall</td><td align="right">AB</td><td align="right">R</td><td align="right">H</td><td align="right">2B</td><td align="right">3B</td><td align="right">HR</td><td align="right">RBI</td><td align="right">BB</td><td align="right">HBP</td><td align="right">SO</td><td align="right">SB</td><td align="right">CS</td><td align="right">AVG</td><td align="right">OBP</td><td align="right">SLG</td><td align="right">OPS</td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#ccccc4"><td width="115">Total</td><td align="right">1769</td><td align="right">322</td><td align="right">535</td><td align="right">95
</td><td align="right">4
</td><td align="right">51
</td><td align="right">205
</td><td align="right">162
</td><td align="right">34
</td><td align="right">301
</td><td align="right">66
</td><td align="right">12
</td><td align="right">.302
</td><td align="right">.371
</td><td align="right">.447
</td><td align="right">.818</td></tr></tbody> </table> <table border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" width="772"> <tbody><tr bgcolor="#aaaaa4"><td class="SCHEDbold">Overall</td><td align="right">AB</td><td align="right">R</td><td align="right">H</td><td align="right">2B</td><td align="right">3B</td><td align="right">HR</td><td align="right">RBI</td><td align="right">BB</td><td align="right">HBP</td><td align="right">SO</td><td align="right">SB</td><td align="right">CS</td><td align="right">AVG</td><td align="right">OBP</td><td align="right">SLG</td><td align="right">OPS</td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#ccccc4"><td width="115">Total</td><td align="right">1951</td><td align="right">313</td><td align="right">584</td><td align="right">112
</td><td align="right">2
</td><td align="right">95
</td><td align="right">387
</td><td align="right">139
</td><td align="right">27
</td><td align="right">222
</td><td align="right">21
</td><td align="right">3
</td><td align="right">.299
</td><td align="right">.350
</td><td align="right">.505
</td><td align="right">.855</td></tr></tbody> </table>

"Intangibles" don't count for that much of a difference, in my opinion.

You Boston fans are funny, Jeter nearly cracked his face open, and you say it was an overated play, LOL....nobody from The Redsox could make that play or would even try it for that matter, Thats what Makes Jeter, well Jeter.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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Well, Jeter strikes out a lot and isn't great in the hole. I like Jeter and all as a player, but I think Tejada is the best shortstop in the league now that Arod is a third baseman. He hits for power, plays a gold glove calibre defense, and is a strong clubhouse presence. He's worked himself to the top of the ladder in my opinion.

Jeter doesn't strike out that much, maybe 100x a year, wich I don't think is all that high, its a little elaveted but not that high. A-Rod is someone who strikes out a ton.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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Well, Jeter strikes out a lot and isn't great in the hole. I like Jeter and all as a player, but I think Tejada is the best shortstop in the league now that Arod is a third baseman. He hits for power, plays a gold glove calibre defense, and is a strong clubhouse presence. He's worked himself to the top of the ladder in my opinion.

Jeter doesn't strike out that much, maybe 100x a year, wich I don't think is all that high, its a little elaveted but not that high. A-Rod is someone who strikes out a ton.

[BatsareBugs]

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Nah, I think the bar is upt to 150 for someone who strikes out a lot. 100 seems average all of a sudden.

[BatsareBugs]

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Nah, I think the bar is upt to 150 for someone who strikes out a lot. 100 seems average all of a sudden.