2024-2025 Hot Stove Thread

[Majingir]

Re: 2024-2025 Hot Stove Thread

The day before ST ends the Jays have agreed on a contract extension for 5 years.

5 years, 58m to Alejandro Kirk.

Vladdys coming next...right?

[Majingir]

Re: 2024-2025 Hot Stove Thread

Jays apparently made an offer to Vladdy before the season begins.

Sounds like there's still a gap, but if it's a smaller gap than before then that's promising.

Whoever signs him absolutely will overpay, but at the same time, Jays aren't in a position to let him walk either. Fans are smart enough to know if he leaves its not because he doesn't want to be here (unlike a number of guys who have left different teams over the years here), so the blame is fully on management, and fans will show their displeasure in bad tv ratings and poor ticket sales.

[Majingir]

Re: 2024-2025 Hot Stove Thread

Sounds like Jays and Vladdy could be closing in on a deal.

On one hand, he hasn't been good enough so far to warrant the offer. On the other hand, if there's a time to buy low, this would be it.

If 2023 becomes the outlier season, then I'll take his 2021,2022,2024 numbers on this deal.

But if 2025 becomes like 2023, then this will obviously be a bad deal sooner than later.

[reyes the roof]

Re: 2024-2025 Hot Stove Thread

He got a pretty nice ovation at Citi Field yesterday during introductions, come get those Cohen dollars

[DrJones]

Re: 2024-2025 Hot Stove Thread

Sounds like Jays and Vladdy could be closing in on a deal.

On one hand, he hasn't been good enough so far to warrant the offer. On the other hand, if there's a time to buy low, this would be it.

If 2023 becomes the outlier season, then I'll take his 2021,2022,2024 numbers on this deal.

But if 2025 becomes like 2023, then this will obviously be a bad deal sooner than later.

If Vladdy does end up re-signing with the Jays, it'll almost certainly be a gigantic overpay and will age very badly... but I still think Toronto should do it.

[Majingir]

Re: 2024-2025 Hot Stove Thread

If Vladdy does end up re-signing with the Jays, it'll almost certainly be a gigantic overpay and will age very badly... but I still think Toronto should do it.

That's the thing, they'll have to overpay because what's the alternative?

Vladdy walks, and for the rest of his career Jays fans will be watching him like a jealous ex who let the good one get away, while also mad at the front office for letting a guy walk who would've stayed with us his entire career, something you can't say for anyone else in the franchises history.

His contract will age horribly, but that's baseball. Does anyone think Soto will be worth his deal in 10 years?

If anything, try to frontload it to at least ease part of the "future pain".

Like if he gets 40m for 14 years, average it out to 50m a year for the first 10 and then 60m total the final 4 years so in the event his value has tanked and/or he's just too old for the team by then, it's still possible to do something with him.

[Bard]

Re: 2024-2025 Hot Stove Thread

Vladdy gets his big deal to stay in Toronto. $500 million over 14 years.

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[DrJones]

Re: 2024-2025 Hot Stove Thread

Vladdy gets his big deal to stay in Toronto. $500 million over 14 years.

Kyle Tucker is gonna make some bank.

[Majingir]

Re: 2024-2025 Hot Stove Thread

Vladdy gets his big deal to stay in Toronto. $500 million over 14 years.

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A necessary overpayment. But unless he's traded, he'll be the first major player to play his entire career with the Jays in their 50+ year history.

Losing him would hurt more than overpaying him will.

If he went to the Yankees and had even a few years of great seasons, Jays fans will never live it down.

I hope Jays frontload the deal like crazy too.

Something ridiculous like 50m per year the first 5 years, 40 per the next 5, then the remaining 50m total is divided among the final 5 years (aka the years he's either about to retire or Jays trying to dump a guy in his late 30s, which would be easier to do if he's only making 12m and you eat part of it).

[Majingir]

Re: 2024-2025 Hot Stove Thread

Jays make the Vladdy signing official.

If he plays his entire career here, he'll go down as the greatest Blue Jay ever in all statistical categories. Which is another reason the overpayment will be worth it. Finally having a guy who you can call your own from day 1 until hopefully the day he retire. I won't even say who is currently the longest serving Blue Jay to play their entire career here because you likely never heard of him.

[DrJones]

Re: 2024-2025 Hot Stove Thread

Jays make the Vladdy signing official.

If he plays his entire career here, he'll go down as the greatest Blue Jay ever in all statistical categories. Which is another reason the overpayment will be worth it. Finally having a guy who you can call your own from day 1 until hopefully the day he retire. I won't even say who is currently the longest serving Blue Jay to play their entire career here because you likely never heard of him.

I still remember Garth Iorg making the last out against the Tigers the in their horrendous 1987 chokejob - 3.5 games up on Detroit with 7 games remaining, went 0-7 to end the season with the 2nd best record and best run differential in baseball... but out of the playoffs. Jays still could've forced a 1-game playoff, but in the season finale, Jimmy Key allowed 3 hits in 8 innings... and lost 1-0. Bad times for 15-year-old me!

Iorg wasn't my 1st guess for most games with the Jays and nobody else - that woulda been my Dad's favourite player (haha): Rance Mulliniks. I forgot he played for the Angels and Royals before Toronto.

[Majingir]

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I still remember Garth Iorg making the last out against the Tigers the in their horrendous 1987 chokejob - 3.5 games up on Detroit with 7 games remaining, went 0-7 to end the season with the 2nd best record and best run differential in baseball... but out of the playoffs. Jays still could've forced a 1-game playoff, but in the season finale, Jimmy Key allowed 3 hits in 8 innings... and lost 1-0. Bad times for 15-year-old me!



Iorg wasn't my 1st guess for most games with the Jays and nobody else - that woulda been my Dad's favourite player (haha): Rance Mulliniks. I forgot he played for the Angels and Royals before Toronto.

What's sadder is Devon Travis is 2nd on the list of "Jays lifers".

That's how thin that list is. Which is why I wouldn't entirely hate Vladdy and Bo here their whole careers. Obviously they need to do something or else people will want them run out of town, but would be cool to finally have real players playing start to finish here.

[Madden08PCgmr]

Re: 2024-2025 Hot Stove Thread

Request that this briefly be retitled NOT Stove thread in honor of Jerry diPoto and Justin Hollander

All I picture is Kevin Bacon from Animal House;

"All is well! All is well!"

[Master Live 013]

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It won't let me, but you can see I tried on the 1st page

[Majingir]

I saw a rumor saying the Jays could have interest in Devers.

That'd be a huge deal to take on, but if Bo happens to be one of the names going the other way, it might make sense since the Jays wouldn't be able to keep Bo if they take on Devers.