Bonds before and after

[DuffysCliff]

Re: Bonds before and after

how long ago since Bonds was a Pirate? It would be different if those pics contrasted Bonds now and Bonds 5 years ago. I do believe he juiced up however, i'm a firm believer that the roids never have and never will help him with his hand-eye coordination and his ability to hit the baseball. Pitchers aren't afraid of him taking one out. That's not why they pitch around him. He's still a great hitter, juiced up or not.

Bonds always had awesome hand-eye-coordination and quick wrists, the difference is when you take steriods, those warning track shots turn into home runs. That's why some players never had great success with steriods, because they don't have the hand eye coordination and quick strong wrists to begin with. So bulking up, if anything, slows them down a little.

[Blaxican8504]

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Bonds always had awesome hand-eye-coordination and quick wrists, the difference is when you take steriods, those warning track shots turn into home runs.

Smaller ballparks turn those warning track shots into home runs too.

[Blaxican8504]

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Bonds always had awesome hand-eye-coordination and quick wrists, the difference is when you take steriods, those warning track shots turn into home runs.

Smaller ballparks turn those warning track shots into home runs too.

[DuffysCliff]

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Smaller ballparks turn those warning track shots into home runs too.

And Bonds plays in a pretty big park. Your point being...?

[DuffysCliff]

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Smaller ballparks turn those warning track shots into home runs too.

And Bonds plays in a pretty big park. Your point being...?

[BGarrett7]

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And Bonds plays in a pretty big park. Your point being...?

I wouldn't exactly say a ballpark with a 307 porch out in right doesn't play into Bonds hitting tendancies. I mean, sure, the gap is at 420 in right-center, but that short rightfield has totally been a positive for his career.

And, for the record, he has played in continuously smaller ballparks since his hitting the Majors (Three Rivers was 335 down the line, Candlestick was something like 328, and the barely 300 line at SBC), so, it's not like there isn't a point to be made.

[BGarrett7]

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And Bonds plays in a pretty big park. Your point being...?

I wouldn't exactly say a ballpark with a 307 porch out in right doesn't play into Bonds hitting tendancies. I mean, sure, the gap is at 420 in right-center, but that short rightfield has totally been a positive for his career.

And, for the record, he has played in continuously smaller ballparks since his hitting the Majors (Three Rivers was 335 down the line, Candlestick was something like 328, and the barely 300 line at SBC), so, it's not like there isn't a point to be made.

[Blzer]

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I wouldn't exactly say a ballpark with a 307 porch out in right doesn't play into Bonds hitting tendancies. I mean, sure, the gap is at 420 in right-center, but that short rightfield has totally been a positive for his career.

Stop right there, and back up a moment. First of all, it is 309 feet. I don't care if you asy that 2 feet doesn't make a difference, because then where does the line stop that it makes a difference? 3 feet? 4? 5? 6? 7? 8? 9? 10? The list goes on... whenever it stops is up to you, but for me, I've come to realize that 6 inches has determined a home run before.

Secondly, it's a 27 foot high wall. We all know about the Green Monster and how it doesn't take any line drives.

Thirdly, the wall goes from 309 to RIGHT DOWN THE LINE, to 365 in right right-center, and 421 to right-center... at 421 is a 24 foot high wall. Somebody correct me if these numbers are wrong.


Finally, the big factors... the wind, and the night spell. The wind blows in from right field, and we're right by the bay, making it much stronger winds. Which ever way you look at it, I guarantee you that a 400 foot shot in right center field will only go 385 - 390 feet on a good day. Then, at night time, there is some good night spell in the sky, where if you hit a ball high enough, it will get knocked down... guaranteed.

If you want to go to http://www.barrybonds.com and look at his home runs (659 - 703) at home, you will see his spray of home runs, and how many go down the line at 309... and for those ones, exactly how many just make it over.



If that's not enough proof, McCovey Cove is no more than 350 feet away from home plate down the right field line, and no more than 410 in right right-center. Now, how many people other than Bonds have ever reached the cove, and how many have done it more than once?

Better yet, what's the ratio of home runs hit to left field vs home runs hit to right field in that part? That's what I thought. It's 5:1... and that's WITH Bonds on the team.




I don't like to sound like some sort of smart alec, but when it comes to somebody saying that hitting it out of right field at SBC Park is easy, it basically forces me to tell people to say, "Shut up, and get your facts straight."

Here's a little bit of information for you, pal. I go to well over 30 Giants games a year, and enough right next to Bonds' wife herself (that is, if I'm in Colin Sabean's seats). I'd know a little more about the park I'd say. Not saying that I do, but when you only use a right field line dimension as a crutch to support your theory on his home runs, you have problems.


Go ahead, go to http://www.barrybonds.com. Watch his home runs. Count how many balls make it over the fence between 309 - 320 feet. I'll tell you right now that you'd be lucky to find 3.

[Blzer]

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I wouldn't exactly say a ballpark with a 307 porch out in right doesn't play into Bonds hitting tendancies. I mean, sure, the gap is at 420 in right-center, but that short rightfield has totally been a positive for his career.

Stop right there, and back up a moment. First of all, it is 309 feet. I don't care if you asy that 2 feet doesn't make a difference, because then where does the line stop that it makes a difference? 3 feet? 4? 5? 6? 7? 8? 9? 10? The list goes on... whenever it stops is up to you, but for me, I've come to realize that 6 inches has determined a home run before.

Secondly, it's a 27 foot high wall. We all know about the Green Monster and how it doesn't take any line drives.

Thirdly, the wall goes from 309 to RIGHT DOWN THE LINE, to 365 in right right-center, and 421 to right-center... at 421 is a 24 foot high wall. Somebody correct me if these numbers are wrong.


Finally, the big factors... the wind, and the night spell. The wind blows in from right field, and we're right by the bay, making it much stronger winds. Which ever way you look at it, I guarantee you that a 400 foot shot in right center field will only go 385 - 390 feet on a good day. Then, at night time, there is some good night spell in the sky, where if you hit a ball high enough, it will get knocked down... guaranteed.

If you want to go to http://www.barrybonds.com and look at his home runs (659 - 703) at home, you will see his spray of home runs, and how many go down the line at 309... and for those ones, exactly how many just make it over.



If that's not enough proof, McCovey Cove is no more than 350 feet away from home plate down the right field line, and no more than 410 in right right-center. Now, how many people other than Bonds have ever reached the cove, and how many have done it more than once?

Better yet, what's the ratio of home runs hit to left field vs home runs hit to right field in that part? That's what I thought. It's 5:1... and that's WITH Bonds on the team.




I don't like to sound like some sort of smart alec, but when it comes to somebody saying that hitting it out of right field at SBC Park is easy, it basically forces me to tell people to say, "Shut up, and get your facts straight."

Here's a little bit of information for you, pal. I go to well over 30 Giants games a year, and enough right next to Bonds' wife herself (that is, if I'm in Colin Sabean's seats). I'd know a little more about the park I'd say. Not saying that I do, but when you only use a right field line dimension as a crutch to support your theory on his home runs, you have problems.


Go ahead, go to http://www.barrybonds.com. Watch his home runs. Count how many balls make it over the fence between 309 - 320 feet. I'll tell you right now that you'd be lucky to find 3.

[dacubys]

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bottom line bonds, mcguire, sosa (who by the way i am very fond of).and many more did take steroids and you all are all missing this illegal substance-growth hormones. and it is possible to get that kind of build with out them, and it is done by body builders all the time but if you were to work out the way you have too to get this kind of build and i am talking probably 2 four hour sessions a day of some serioous weight lifting (and that is only a guesstimate so dont bash my numbers) there would be no energy left to play baseball and it would have your swing out of wack, i play softball ( i know it isnt baseball but pretty close) 3 nights a week and everyother weekend and i can say that i know this to be true........so do i think these guys are lying hell yes, do i think i would rather hear them confess and tell the truth hell yes.....giambi did and do you see post on here arguing about him

[dacubys]

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bottom line bonds, mcguire, sosa (who by the way i am very fond of).and many more did take steroids and you all are all missing this illegal substance-growth hormones. and it is possible to get that kind of build with out them, and it is done by body builders all the time but if you were to work out the way you have too to get this kind of build and i am talking probably 2 four hour sessions a day of some serioous weight lifting (and that is only a guesstimate so dont bash my numbers) there would be no energy left to play baseball and it would have your swing out of wack, i play softball ( i know it isnt baseball but pretty close) 3 nights a week and everyother weekend and i can say that i know this to be true........so do i think these guys are lying hell yes, do i think i would rather hear them confess and tell the truth hell yes.....giambi did and do you see post on here arguing about him

[DuffysCliff]

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I wouldn't exactly say a ballpark with a 307 porch out in right doesn't play into Bonds hitting tendancies. I mean, sure, the gap is at 420 in right-center, but that short rightfield has totally been a positive for his career.

And, for the record, he has played in continuously smaller ballparks since his hitting the Majors (Three Rivers was 335 down the line, Candlestick was something like 328, and the barely 300 line at SBC), so, it's not like there isn't a point to be made.

He also only averaged about 25 home runs a year in Three Rivers, but then again, that was before he hit his prime.

Sure it's 307 down the line, but it's not called a power alley for nothing, and 420 is a gigantic power alley. I saw what he was getting at, but it was a pretty vague statement, so I guess I missed the relevance. Was he saying that small ballparks are just as evil as steriods, or was he saying that steriods lose their effect in small ballparks?

[DuffysCliff]

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I wouldn't exactly say a ballpark with a 307 porch out in right doesn't play into Bonds hitting tendancies. I mean, sure, the gap is at 420 in right-center, but that short rightfield has totally been a positive for his career.

And, for the record, he has played in continuously smaller ballparks since his hitting the Majors (Three Rivers was 335 down the line, Candlestick was something like 328, and the barely 300 line at SBC), so, it's not like there isn't a point to be made.

He also only averaged about 25 home runs a year in Three Rivers, but then again, that was before he hit his prime.

Sure it's 307 down the line, but it's not called a power alley for nothing, and 420 is a gigantic power alley. I saw what he was getting at, but it was a pretty vague statement, so I guess I missed the relevance. Was he saying that small ballparks are just as evil as steriods, or was he saying that steriods lose their effect in small ballparks?

[AI_Franchise]

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Steroids? Nah. Must have been beefcake.
BEEEEFCAAAAKE!

[AI_Franchise]

Re: Bonds before and after

Steroids? Nah. Must have been beefcake.
BEEEEFCAAAAKE!