Red sox in another brawl

[Splitter77]

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red sox played this situation out perfectly. they didnt aim for the head at all.They hit batters on the leg. oh big deal. Manny and millar were being targeted at the knees(from last year too). Ortiz got one at the head. My only gripe was that Mantei didnt throw one up and in to Perez, after his display on friday night.

[Beantown]

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I don't think it was so much Perez throwing the bat...I think it was the fact he took the extra 3 seconds to stand and ethusiastically point at the dugout like he did. It literally must've taken him 5-8 seconds to get out of the batters box after hitting it. I dont care if its a homerun or not jsut jog around the damn bases and show up the other team as you jump in a pile at homeplate...don't do it like Perez did.

By the way...to the people who cant stand Ortiz...just because he lead the comeback in last seasons ALCS, doesn't mean you Yankee fans have to be made.

[bigeastbumrush]

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That stuff goes on alot more in the American League. Its easy for a pitcher to be a bad a$$ headhunter when they don't have to worry about digging in at the plate. Haven't seen Clemens or Pedro throw at too many heads now that they have to hit for themselves.

How come everytime I turn around and someone's getting beaned or there's a brawl, Arroyo is at the center of it?

I'm sick and tired of the Red Sox and their fans talking about Arroyo's "control issues". He knows exactly who he wants to hit and when he wants to hit them. He's just too puss to man up to it like Pedro used to. You knew what you were getting with Pedro before & after he hit you. It wasn't an accident.

The league needs to do something about Arroyo or someone beat him to a pulp, then he'll learn.

[deeman11747]

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How come everytime I turn around and someone's getting beaned or there's a brawl, Arroyo is at the center of it?

I'm sick and tired of the Red Sox and their fans talking about Arroyo's "control issues". He knows exactly who he wants to hit and when he wants to hit them. He's just too puss to man up to it like Pedro used to. You knew what you were getting with Pedro before & after he hit you. It wasn't an accident.

The league needs to do something about Arroyo or someone beat him to a pulp, then he'll learn.

Yeahhhhh



Plus just for leaving his house with that hair should he be beaten to a thin layer of nothing.





I despise this punk.

[Stu]

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How come everytime I turn around and someone's getting beaned or there's a brawl, Arroyo is at the center of it?

I'm sick and tired of the Red Sox and their fans talking about Arroyo's "control issues". He knows exactly who he wants to hit and when he wants to hit them. He's just too puss to man up to it like Pedro used to. You knew what you were getting with Pedro before & after he hit you. It wasn't an accident.

The league needs to do something about Arroyo or someone beat him to a pulp, then he'll learn.

Arroyo, like many pitchers in baseball, needs to pitch inside to be effective. He has some serious break on both his slider and curveball which sometimes get away from him.

The 2 incidents I can remember that involved him were the Arod game and the recent game vs TB.

The Arod incident couldn't have been any more obvious that it wasn't intentional. If you're going to throw at somebody, you don't do it with a breaking ball.

The recent incident vs TB goes back to last year. Kazmir was ejected last year after hitting Manny and Millar back to back. In the first game of the series this year he plunked both Manny and Millar again, with Tim Wakefield on the mound who obviously didn't retaliate. The bad blood carried over to Sunday's game and Arroyo, like any good pitcher, retaliated when he should have. He didn't throw at anybodys head and didn't do anything out of line, even after TB threw at Ortiz's head.

Please try to understand the situation before you offer your ignorant opinion.

[deeman11747]

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Arroyo, like many pitchers in baseball, needs to pitch inside to be effective. He has some serious break on both his slider and curveball which sometimes get away from him.

The 2 incidents I can remember that involved him were the Arod game and the recent game vs TB.

The Arod incident couldn't have been any more obvious that it wasn't intentional. If you're going to throw at somebody, you don't do it with a breaking ball.

The recent incident vs TB goes back to last year. Kazmir was ejected last year after hitting Manny and Millar back to back. In the first game of the series this year he plunked both Manny and Millar again, with Tim Wakefield on the mound who obviously didn't retaliate. The bad blood carried over to Sunday's game and Arroyo, like any good pitcher, retaliated when he should have. He didn't throw at anybodys head and didn't do anything out of line, even after TB threw at Ortiz's head.

Please try to understand the situation before you offer your ignorant opinion.

Sure the guy has awful control but hes not Victor Zambrano. The thing that bothers me is after he drills someone he just stands there with that smirk on his face I wish I could beat out of him.

[Stu]

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The punishment was dished out today:

Francona: 3 games + fine
Arroyo: 6 games + fine
Nixon: 2 games + fine
Ortiz: fine

Piniella: 3 games + fine
Carter: 5 games + fine
Brazelton: 5 games + fine
Singleton: fine

EDIT - Heres a LINK

I think these suspensions are fair. Arroyo got an extra game because he hit somebody after warnings were issued. Carter, even though he was throwing at Ortiz's head, didn't hit anybody. Arroyo and Brazelton will only miss 1 start.

Brad Mills is managing the Sox just as much as Francona it seems. Terry has been ejected from 2 games this year, missed 4 due to illness and now another 3 due to a suspension.

[Thrasha]

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I don't really have a problem with the fines/suspensions except maybe the Trot Nixon one.

I didn't watch a whole lot of video footage from the fight, but it seemed that Trot was just being restrained but that could have been after he did something that I don't know about.

Hopefully this will put an end to this dumb feud

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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What's going to happen to the Sox pitching staff? Schill and Wells are on the DL and Arroyo is gone for his next 2 starts.

I'm pretty sure Halama will be moved to the rotation, and maybe Dinardo gets a shot. I wonder if Papelbon will get called up from AA.

[Stu]

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What's going to happen to the Sox pitching staff? Schill and Wells are on the DL and Arroyo is gone for his next 2 starts.

I'm pretty sure Halama will be moved to the rotation, and maybe Dinardo gets a shot. I wonder if Papelbon will get called up from AA.

Arroyo won't miss his next 2 starts. They'll obviously appeal the suspension and will probably get it reduced to 1 start. If they don't think they'll win the appeal they can just wait and drop the appeal when it works out best for their rotation, ie when Miller and hopefully Schilling are back.

As far as the rotation, Halama will start along with Jeremi Gonzalez who was called up from AAA. DiNardo will take Halama's spot in the bullpen as a garbage time reliever. Right now Wade Miller is projected to start May 8th vs Seattle, even though he claims he could start Tuesday if they wanted him to. Papelbon will not be called up. He has only pitched 4 games above the single A level and is not on the 40 man roster.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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Arroyo won't miss his next 2 starts. They'll obviously appeal the suspension and will probably get it reduced to 1 start. If they don't think they'll win the appeal they can just wait and drop the appeal when it works out best for their rotation, ie when Miller and hopefully Schilling are back in the rotation.

As far as the rotation, Halama will start along with Jeremi Gonzalez who was called up from AAA. DiNardo will take Halama's spot in the bullpen as a garbage time reliever. Right now Wade Miller is projected to start May 8th vs Seattle, even though he claims he could start Tuesday if they wanted him to. Papelbon will not be called up. He has only pitched 4 games above the single A level and is not on the 40 man roster.

I forgot about Miller. He looked good last night when he pitched 5 scoreless inninngs. Once everybody gets healthy the Sox are going to have a tough decision to make. They have 6 starters with only 5 spots open. Wakefield and Arroyo have pitched well enough that they both belong in the rotation. It's a good problem to have though.

[Stu]

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I forgot about Miller. He looked good last night when he pitched 5 scoreless inninngs. Once everybody gets healthy the Sox are going to have a tough decision to make. They have 6 starters with only 5 spots open. Wakefield and Arroyo have pitched well enough that they both belong in the rotation. It's a good problem to have though.

Definitely a good problem to have. Between Schilling, Wells and Miller I don't know if they'll even have to make a decision. In the case that they do, I think Arroyo gets sent to the pen. He is the youngest and I think at this point Wake has earned a permanent spot in the rotation.

EDIT - In my previous post I said Jeremi Gonzalez was called up but it was actually reliever Tim Bausher. He will be with the team through the weekend as an extra reliever then they will call up either Gonzalez or Abe Alvarez on Monday.

[Thrasha]

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I forgot about Miller. He looked good last night when he pitched 5 scoreless inninngs. Once everybody gets healthy the Sox are going to have a tough decision to make. They have 6 starters with only 5 spots open. Wakefield and Arroyo have pitched well enough that they both belong in the rotation. It's a good problem to have though.

Yeah that's a nice problem to have, but I think Wells will take some time to get back to 100% so it's ways off.

I heard Miller was only reaching around 92 MPH in past few starts, is that true? I thought he was usually around the mid nineties

[Stu]

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Yeah that's a nice problem to have, but I think Wells will take some time to get back to 100% so it's ways off.

I heard Miller was only reaching around 92 MPH in past few starts, is that true? I thought he was usually around the mid nineties

They said his fastball got as high as 91-92 but it was typically in the 87-89 range. The radar gun in Pawtucket is known for giving terrible readings though so who knows what he was actually throwing. When healthy he throws 94-95 so it will take some time to get his velocity back up. I wonder how changing his arm angle will effect his velocity as well.

[Thrasha]

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They said his fastball got as high as 91-92 but it was typically in the 87-89 range. The radar gun in Pawtucket is known for giving terrible readings though so who knows what he was actually throwing. When healthy he throws 94-95 so it will take some time to get his velocity back up. I wonder how changing his arm angle will effect his velocity as well.

Yeah, I read he adjusted his mechanics to put less stress on his shoulder. If he isn't able to regain his full power hopefully he has some movement on that fastball. I'm not too sure about Wade Miller seeing as though I haven't followed the NL real closely, so I'm not too sure on what kind of pitches he throws.