Boston Red Sox - 2006

[Dispatch]

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Great to have that man hitting again.

[CWood2]

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There's a blemish on the manager of the year...can't pitch to him Jimmy!

[Thrasha]

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What? No go-ahead home run?

You're slacking Papi.

[Thrasha]

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Wily Mo with the solid defense

[GBrushTWood]

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And there you have the reason why Pena is a net 0 impact player. His offense can appear specatcular at times (although I haven't seen him do anything but look woeful in nut crunching situations), but as great as his run creating ability is, he is horrific at preventing runs. Just cringe inducing, shake your head bad.

I recall a survey of all fans on Tangotiger last year which stated that Wily Mo was by far the worst defensive outfielder in all of baseball. I definitely believe that to be true as I have never seen a ball player look so poor in preventing runs.

When you have a defender like Manny in LF, I'm not sure you can afford to have a sieve out in spacious RF, despite the power dimension he adds.

[Thrasha]

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And there you have the reason why Pena is a net 0 impact player. His offense can appear specatcular at times (although I haven't seen him do anything but look woeful in nut crunching situations), but as great as his run creating ability is, he is horrific at preventing runs. Just cringe inducing, shake your head bad.

I recall a survey of all fans on Tangotiger last year which stated that Wily Mo was by far the worst defensive outfielder in all of baseball. I definitely believe that to be true as I have never seen a ball player look so poor in preventing runs.

When you have a defender like Manny in LF, I'm not sure you can afford to have a sieve out in spacious RF, despite the power dimension he adds.

To be fair that was his first major goof up in the field in a while. But yes, for the most part he is sh*t in the field.

That drop was absolutely incredible and couldn't have come at a worse time.

Hopefully the O's can scrape together a win.

[Misfit]

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Wily Mo's offense the past couple of weeks has been great, game-breaking offense so I don't know where you've been. His defense hasn't been good of course outside his arm. I can't believe the official scorer gave Monroe a hit on that play.

Todd Jones is a perfect 2 for 2 in save opportunities this series. Shameful.

[Dispatch]

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Saying Willy Mo is the worst defensive outfielder in all of baseball is a bit of an extreme, not that I think he is going to win a gold glove or anything either. But I do think that he needs to concentrate more then he does. Once and awhile during the game they'll show Willy Mo and he'll be out there looking over at the fans and not paying attention to the game.

And his offense can only get better considering he has 2 great hitters to learn from in Manny and Ortiz and he is one of the strongest guys in the league But I think his strike zone is pretty big and he swings at a bunch of breaking balls that end up as balls, and when he struck out to end the game I thought that was a ball and then he called it a strike and I was surprised.

I think were gonna have to live with his sub-par defense and hopefully he can improve giving some playing time. Lets not forget how terrible he was earlier this year

[Thrasha]

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It's looking more and more like they're just going to play .500 ball for the rest of the year.

They can't seem to take it to the next level. These next 6 games are pretty much make or break.

[GBrushTWood]

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Saying Willy Mo is the worst defensive outfielder in all of baseball is a bit of an extreme, not that I think he is going to win a gold glove or anything either. But I do think that he needs to concentrate more then he does.

Who is worse? I know I haven't seen anybody as bad in the last 4 years of watching baseball. He has no firm grasp of the fundamentals (kicking around grounders while transferring from the glove to his throwing arm), as all big leaguers do. Keep in mind that big leaguers should essentially succeed on all routine plays; Wily can't do this. Obviously, he can't make spectacular plays.

Please keep in mind that I am a huge Wily Mo fan and liked the trade when it was announced back in March. I consider all Wily Mo at bats must see. I am merely pointing out two massive flaws in his skill set: 1) unacceptable defensive skills, and 2) striking out on 3 pitches during all nut crunching situations (and yes, that K vs. Jones in the 9th last night was a travesty from the ump; nothing Pena could do there).

I am sure the Red Sox will perform a cost benefit analysis comparing Pena's anticipated offensive production over an entire season in RF vs. how many runs he will cost the team defensively. If I had to guess based on Theo's MO, they will choose to have Pena start in RF next year because he is "cost effective" and is valuable because of this.

Personally, I would prefer they spend money to bring Carlos Lee to Boston, but I don't expect them to do this. Of course, his defensive abilities also are questionable, so is the offensive upgrade from Pena to Lee worth the tens of millions more it will cost to sign Lee? I imagine Theo would say no, but I'd like to see them do this.

[ILLCHILL]

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The series against the Yankees is a must-win. By this I mean winning 3 out of the 5 games we play agianst them. If we do that, no matter what happens before Friday we can still be 3 or 3.5 games out. I don't see it as a 'make-or-break' type series, that phrase si thrown around way too much here. It could turn into one if we got swept or lost 4 games, but as long as we win 3 or more then it stays a heated race.

[Thrasha]

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The series against the Yankees is a must-win. By this I mean winning 3 out of the 5 games we play agianst them. If we do that, no matter what happens before Friday we can still be 3 or 3.5 games out. I don't see it as a 'make-or-break' type series, that phrase si thrown around way too much here. It could turn into one if we got swept or lost 4 games, but as long as we win 3 or more then it stays a heated race.

With the way things have been going/they've been playing, 3 might be a bit much.

[Misfit]

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The series against the Yankees is a must-win. By this I mean winning 3 out of the 5 games we play agianst them. If we do that, no matter what happens before Friday we can still be 3 or 3.5 games out. I don't see it as a 'make-or-break' type series, that phrase si thrown around way too much here. It could turn into one if we got swept or lost 4 games, but as long as we win 3 or more then it stays a heated race.

I'd say its definitly "break" if the Yankees sweep or take 4 of 5. And as it stands, the Sox are 4 back in the loss column. If Detroit sweeps (and I expect them to with Verlander on the mound tonight against Wells) and the Yankees win tonight the Sox will be 5 back in the loss column and then 7 back if the Yankees take 3 out of 5 over the long weekend. This series could easily end the season for the Red Sox because the Yankees aren't going to blow a 7 game lead with only a month and a half left.

[deeman11747]

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Who is worse? I know I haven't seen anybody as bad in the last 4 years of watching baseball. He has no firm grasp of the fundamentals (kicking around grounders while transferring from the glove to his throwing arm), as all big leaguers do. Keep in mind that big leaguers should essentially succeed on all routine plays; Wily can't do this. Obviously, he can't make spectacular plays.

Please keep in mind that I am a huge Wily Mo fan and liked the trade when it was announced back in March. I consider all Wily Mo at bats must see. I am merely pointing out two massive flaws in his skill set: 1) unacceptable defensive skills, and 2) striking out on 3 pitches during all nut crunching situations (and yes, that K vs. Jones in the 9th last night was a travesty from the ump; nothing Pena could do there).

I am sure the Red Sox will perform a cost benefit analysis comparing Pena's anticipated offensive production over an entire season in RF vs. how many runs he will cost the team defensively. If I had to guess based on Theo's MO, they will choose to have Pena start in RF next year because he is "cost effective" and is valuable because of this.

Personally, I would prefer they spend money to bring Carlos Lee to Boston, but I don't expect them to do this. Of course, his defensive abilities also are questionable, so is the offensive upgrade from Pena to Lee worth the tens of millions more it will cost to sign Lee? I imagine Theo would say no, but I'd like to see them do this.

Why cant they move Wily Mo to first and shift Youk around?

[Misfit]

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Who is worse? I know I haven't seen anybody as bad in the last 4 years of watching baseball. He has no firm grasp of the fundamentals (kicking around grounders while transferring from the glove to his throwing arm), as all big leaguers do. Keep in mind that big leaguers should essentially succeed on all routine plays; Wily can't do this. Obviously, he can't make spectacular plays.

Please keep in mind that I am a huge Wily Mo fan and liked the trade when it was announced back in March. I consider all Wily Mo at bats must see. I am merely pointing out two massive flaws in his skill set: 1) unacceptable defensive skills, and 2) striking out on 3 pitches during all nut crunching situations (and yes, that K vs. Jones in the 9th last night was a travesty from the ump; nothing Pena could do there).

I am sure the Red Sox will perform a cost benefit analysis comparing Pena's anticipated offensive production over an entire season in RF vs. how many runs he will cost the team defensively. If I had to guess based on Theo's MO, they will choose to have Pena start in RF next year because he is "cost effective" and is valuable because of this.

Personally, I would prefer they spend money to bring Carlos Lee to Boston, but I don't expect them to do this. Of course, his defensive abilities also are questionable, so is the offensive upgrade from Pena to Lee worth the tens of millions more it will cost to sign Lee? I imagine Theo would say no, but I'd like to see them do this.

Off the top of my head, I'd say Matt Stairs and Johnny Gomes are worse. Its not really important though, since Pena is bad out there no matter if someone is worse than him. If he can learn to better judge balls of the bat and eliminate the mental mistakes, he can be passable in the field (though I'd rather have him in left field vs right but there's no way Manny could play right field at Fenway). The Lee suggestion is interesting, but creates a lot of questions. If they were to get someone like Carlos Lee, where does Pena go? He can judge balls of the bat much better in center than the corners, but he doesn't have great range in centerfield and would be a downgrade from Crisp. Ortiz has the DH on lockdown and Manny is left for a few more years. Someone would need to get dealt or Ortiz would have to play first, which would then mean Lowell is gone and Youk is at third. I feel like I'm playing a Franchise mode in a baseball sim.