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  • larrygiterdone
    MVP
    • Jul 2005
    • 3037

    #31
    Re: Why is oregon getting no respect

    Originally posted by bkrich83
    And that point is relevant how? They aren't a #3 seed on accident. You'd think people would act like they belong.
    sure they belong, but they arent marginally better or worse than any team left in the tournament

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    • Bird006
      MVP
      • Mar 2003
      • 961

      #32
      Re: Why is oregon getting no respect

      I have Oregon in the Final Four. They really impressed me in the Pac-10 tournament. UNLV's just the team to talk about right now .

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      • Coug00
        LOB
        • Jul 2002
        • 3476

        #33
        Re: Why is oregon getting no respect

        Originally posted by BAMJ6
        And to those who think that was a jab at the Pac 10 it's not.

        I said Pacific Northwest states. not Pac 10, meaning Californi's not included, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, and Montana along with Maine NH and Vermont (Northern New England) are the weakest regions for college basketball
        You may want to change your thinking because the Pacific NW, specifically Puget Sound, is becoming one of the strongest regions for high school talent.

        Marvin Williams, Spencer Hawes, Kevin Love, Aaron Brooks, Jon Brockman, Marcus Williams, Nate Robinson, CJ Giles, Brandon Roy, Adam Morrison, Josh Heytvelt, Derek Raivio, and Martell Webster just to name a few off the top of my head in the last few years.
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        • skitch
          Fear Ameer
          • Oct 2002
          • 12349

          #34
          Re: Why is oregon getting no respect

          Originally posted by Coug00
          You may want to change your thinking because the Pacific NW, specifically Puget Sound, is becoming one of the strongest regions for high school talent.

          Marvin Williams, Spencer Hawes, Kevin Love, Aaron Brooks, Jon Brockman, Marcus Williams, Nate Robinson, CJ Giles, Brandon Roy, Adam Morrison, Josh Heytvelt, Derek Raivio, and Martell Webster just to name a few off the top of my head in the last few years.
          I don't think he's arguing that the areas don't develop talent... but that the collegiate squads from these respective areas haven't won anything of merit.

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          • countryboy
            Growing pains
            • Sep 2003
            • 52828

            #35
            Re: Why is oregon getting no respect

            Oregon isn't getting respect against UNLV because well....

            its a duck vs a crazy man with a gun. Do you really think a duck stands a chance?
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            • Chip Douglass
              Hall Of Fame
              • Dec 2005
              • 12256

              #36
              Re: Why is oregon getting no respect

              Originally posted by ehh
              Basically, when I look at the whole picture of recent basketball history the Pac-10 pales in comparison to the ACC and Big East, which is why so many people disrespect it. Outside of UCLA the last two years, I look at as a generally soft league. The Zona teams are always soft in my eyes, as are the Stanford teams.
              Interesting double standard, it seems a few years ago that Pac-10 teams were labeled as "soft", and now, they're criticized for playing "ugly ball" and not scoring enough points.
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              • ehh
                Hall Of Fame
                • Mar 2003
                • 28962

                #37
                Re: Why is oregon getting no respect

                Originally posted by Olson-for-Heisman
                Interesting double standard, it seems a few years ago that Pac-10 teams were labeled as "soft", and now, they're criticized for playing "ugly ball" and not scoring enough points.
                I never said the Pac-10 played ugly ball, just UCLA.
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                • Coug00
                  LOB
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 3476

                  #38
                  Re: Why is oregon getting no respect

                  Originally posted by Kredit
                  I don't think he's arguing that the areas don't develop talent... but that the collegiate squads from these respective areas haven't won anything of merit.
                  But if the area continues to improve at producing top level talent the surrounding teams are going to (and already have) benefit from that.
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                  • muggins
                    It is now the SW Era
                    • May 2003
                    • 5379

                    #39
                    Re: Why is oregon getting no respect

                    Originally posted by dieselboy
                    But, people have been doubting Oregon, and the Pac-10 before the first games were even played.
                    Probably because we don't watch their games here, or they aren't shown. PAC-10 basketball just isn't on as much here.
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                    • ehh
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 28962

                      #40
                      Re: Why is oregon getting no respect

                      Originally posted by Coug00
                      But if the area continues to improve at producing top level talent the surrounding teams are going to (and already have) benefit from that.
                      Right, that probably will be the case. So the respect will come when it's due. Right now it's all speculation. In sports you have to earn your respect, you aren't given it for without merit. Whether you're a coach, player, team or conference.

                      As soon as the Pac-10 and NW starts proving that they are as good or better than the east coast, ACC, Big East, etc I will be the first to admit that, respect them and give them credit. But before that happens I can't.
                      "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

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                      • Coug00
                        LOB
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 3476

                        #41
                        Re: Why is oregon getting no respect

                        Originally posted by ehh
                        Right, that probably will be the case. So the respect will come when it's due. Right now it's all speculation. In sports you have to earn your respect, you aren't given it for without merit. Whether you're a coach, player, team or conference.

                        As soon as the Pac-10 and NW starts proving that they are as good or better than the east coast, ACC, Big East, etc I will be the first to admit that, respect them and give them credit. But before that happens I can't.
                        I think its time to start admitting those NW teams are as good or are capable of being as good. How many runs in a row has Gonzaga had in the tourney? They do play in a weaker conference, but have played and defeated the big boys in non-conference play year in and year out.

                        Romar has rebuilt UW and they were in the tourney the 3 prior years...making the Sweet 16 and Elite Eight the last 2. They didn't make it this year, but were one of the youngest teams in the entire nation (if not the youngest) and still finished 18-12.

                        Oregon had a down turn the previous 2 years, but before that were in the tourney the 3 prior years (Ridnour, Luke Jackson, Fred Jones). They're a threat in the tourney again this year and return 4 starters next season.

                        **** & Tony Bennett have turned around WSU and made them a Top 20 team. They return all 5 starters next season. And Tony Bennett is sticking around for at least a few more years (Minnesota and Michigan can keep dreaming).

                        The Pac-10 is better than it was 5 years ago. There were 8 senior starters in the entire conference in '06/'07. With all the talented freshman coming in (Love, Mayo, etc) and the returning talent the league is only going to be better next year.
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                        • ehh
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 28962

                          #42
                          Re: Why is oregon getting no respect

                          Originally posted by Coug00
                          I think its time to start admitting those NW teams are as good or are capable of being as good. How many runs in a row has Gonzaga had in the tourney? They do play in a weaker conference, but have played and defeated the big boys in non-conference play year in and year out.

                          Romar has rebuilt UW and they were in the tourney the 3 prior years...making the Sweet 16 and Elite Eight the last 2. They didn't make it this year, but were one of the youngest teams in the entire nation (if not the youngest) and still finished 18-12.

                          Oregon had a down turn the previous 2 years, but before that were in the tourney the 3 prior years (Ridnour, Luke Jackson, Fred Jones). They're a threat in the tourney again this year and return 4 starters next season.
                          I think your post is a perfect example of the mindset of the Pac-10/NW right now. You mention Gonzaga making a few good tourney runs, UW not even reaching the FF and Oregon simply making the tourney as accomplishments. For quite a few teams in the Big East and ACC, those types of seasons are considered failures and shortcomings.
                          "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

                          "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren Buffet

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                          • Coug00
                            LOB
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 3476

                            #43
                            Re: Why is oregon getting no respect

                            Originally posted by ehh
                            I think your post is a perfect example of the mindset of the Pac-10/NW right now. You mention Gonzaga making a few good tourney runs, UW not even reaching the FF and Oregon simply making the tourney as accomplishments. For quite a few teams in the Big East and ACC, those types of seasons are considered failures and shortcomings.
                            Probably right. I think those few teams in the Big East and ACC have over inflated expectations.

                            Are you saying you have to make the Final Four every year to gain respect?
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                            • ehh
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 28962

                              #44
                              Re: Why is oregon getting no respect

                              Originally posted by Coug00
                              Probably right. I think those few teams in the Big East and ACC have over inflated expectations.

                              Are you saying you have to make the Final Four every year to gain respect?
                              No, not every year. But you have to prove that you're a threat on the national scene moreso than just beating good teams in your conference and getting to the Elite 8 once a decade. Oregon for example had a nice win over G'Town early in the season, but no one is going to remember than in ten years. Plus G'Town was still figuring out their back court situation after graduating two starters last year. But if Oregon goes the the Finals this year people will remember it and it will be a big step for the Pac-10 to get a team besides Zona, UCLA and Stanford to the Final Four.

                              Trust me, a dozen years ago it's all I heard as a UConn fan. Those two FT's Donyell Marshall missed in '94, brutal. Then Ray Allen and that very good team came and went, still no FF. So many people used to question if UConn would ever get to the FF, and now we're in a place where we have the best program in the nation over the last decade.
                              "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

                              "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren Buffet

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                              • BAMJ6
                                Banned
                                • May 2003
                                • 1533

                                #45
                                Re: Why is oregon getting no respect

                                Originally posted by Coug00
                                I think its time to start admitting those NW teams are as good or are capable of being as good. How many runs in a row has Gonzaga had in the tourney? They do play in a weaker conference, but have played and defeated the big boys in non-conference play year in and year out.

                                Romar has rebuilt UW and they were in the tourney the 3 prior years...making the Sweet 16 and Elite Eight the last 2. They didn't make it this year, but were one of the youngest teams in the entire nation (if not the youngest) and still finished 18-12.

                                Oregon had a down turn the previous 2 years, but before that were in the tourney the 3 prior years (Ridnour, Luke Jackson, Fred Jones). They're a threat in the tourney again this year and return 4 starters next season.

                                **** & Tony Bennett have turned around WSU and made them a Top 20 team. They return all 5 starters next season. And Tony Bennett is sticking around for at least a few more years (Minnesota and Michigan can keep dreaming).

                                The Pac-10 is better than it was 5 years ago. There were 8 senior starters in the entire conference in '06/'07. With all the talented freshman coming in (Love, Mayo, etc) and the returning talent the league is only going to be better next year.
                                What year did UDub make the Elite 8 under Romar. I only remember the Sweet 16 with Nate and Roy in 2005.

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