Looks like the RPI is now dead.

[mtlcanadiens]

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Mid-majors should have no problems adding tougher games even between seasons. Because of the rpi, big programs are looking for schools likely to have rpi's below 100 to boost their own profile.

This is a dead wrong, uninformed paragraph. I know for a FACT certain MVC teams (Bradley, So. Illinois, Evansville) can't schedule with Big Ten teams (Illinois, Northwestern, etc.) because those coaches refuse to do it.

Evansville & Bradley used to get some of these games, but BECAUSE the MVC got more successful in 2006-2007, that resulted into teams like Illinois refusing to play them anymore.

As a result, Bradley has scheduled the same tournament as Illinois for next season, but Illinois has requested to this tournament they are not matched with Bradley.

I also know that Lickliter at Iowa is trying to get out of their series with Northern Iowa.

I would not post any of this info if I was not certain this was all fact. This is why I cannot speak for other areas in the country.

[larrygiterdone]

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The point is, they played tough teams. Acknowledged tough teams. St.Mary's didn't schedule the Aztecs & Aggies to get national attention or a marquee win. If UNC's only marquee wins were SD St & Ut St, would anyone say they played a tough schedule?

im not saying St. Mary's even deserved a bid, but Siena had they not won there conference sure as hell did not either

[J0nnD0ugh]

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This is a dead wrong, uninformed paragraph. I know for a FACT certain MVC teams (Bradley, So. Illinois, Evansville) can't schedule with Big Ten teams (Illinois, Northwestern, etc.) because those coaches refuse to do it.

Evansville & Bradley used to get some of these games, but BECAUSE the MVC got more successful in 2006-2007, that resulted into teams like Illinois refusing to play them anymore.

As a result, Bradley has scheduled the same tournament as Illinois for next season, but Illinois has requested to this tournament they are not matched with Bradley.

I also know that Lickliter at Iowa is trying to get out of their series with Northern Iowa.

I would not post any of this info if I was not certain this was all fact. This is why I cannot speak for other areas in the country.

So the Big 10 is the only big time conference? Local big fish aren't going to schedule the local little fish. But they will bring in fish from the outside. UNC doesn't want to play the local teams. The only time they do it is if there is a local product on the team that's a senior, they want to play a game in Charlotte, or Asheville since Roy is from there. But you can't tell me UNC isn't willing to play smaller programs.

The MVC doesn't have to play just the Big10. They can go to the BE, SEC, Pac10. They should stop whining & make the road trip. Just like Xavier, Memphis & Gonzaga did. Like I said, they proved they belong, now they have no problems getting teams to come into their building.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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im not saying St. Mary's even deserved a bid, but Siena had they not won there conference sure as hell did not either

I don't know what would have happened there. I had said earlier I was curious to see what would happen w/them & Ut St if they did fall short.

My point in bringing up Siena is that it is no excuse for a mid-major to claim they couldn't get the big boys to play. That's falsehood. St.Mary's could have done better in scheduling. Oregon was the only OOC team they scheduled that the Gaels could say had a decent chance to make the tourney. That's their own fault.

[RubenDouglas]

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john dough, you dont know half of the problems facing mid major teams.. its tragic what is going on. ill leave it at that. coming from a UNC fan (going by your avatar), I don't feel you are in position to know what position the non power 6 are in scheduling wise. I've seen and viewed the horror first hand. unless coaches have deep relationships with power 6 coaches, its all a big liability to them. its not about preparing your team with a tough road match, its about protecting your team.. all so political now

[J0nnD0ugh]

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john dough, you dont know half of the problems facing mid major teams.. its tragic what is going on. ill leave it at that. coming from a UNC fan (going by your avatar), I don't feel you are in position to know what position the non power 6 are in scheduling wise. I've seen and viewed the horror first hand. unless coaches have deep relationships with power 6 coaches, its all a big liability to them. its not about preparing your team with a tough road match, its about protecting your team.. all so political now

Yes, they are going to protect their team. So go play them in their building. And beat them. Earn your stripes just like Memphis, Xavier & the Zags did.

Why is it that Davidson could get better games this year? Why is it that Siena could? Why is it that UAB could get Butler, Arizona, Louisville, BC & Oklahoma?

[KG]

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Yes, they are going to protect their team. So go play them in their building. And beat them. Earn your stripes just like Memphis, Xavier & the Zags did.

Why is it that Davidson could get better games this year? Why is it that Siena could? Why is it that UAB could get Butler, Arizona, Louisville, BC & Oklahoma?

The tricky part is that these small schools have such a short window for scheduling because they don't know how good they will be in a year or 2. Usually the good mid-majors have rosters full of JRs & SRs.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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The tricky part is that these small schools have such a short window for scheduling because they don't know how good they will be in a year or 2. Usually the good mid-majors have rosters full of JRs & SRs.

Maybe tricky, but not impossible. As I said, other schools accomplished it. Others cannot use that as an excuse for playing nobodys.

[WazzuRC]

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Yes, they are going to protect their team. So go play them in their building. And beat them. Earn your stripes just like Memphis, Xavier & the Zags did.

Why is it that Davidson could get better games this year? Why is it that Siena could? Why is it that UAB could get Butler, Arizona, Louisville, BC & Oklahoma?

1) It was easier for Davidson because of Stephen Curry and the TV exposure. Without Stephen Curry, no way does Davidson schedule those games. Also, it's a fine line. Look at how hard Davidson scheduled, and now they aren't even in the tournament. Like you said a loss is a loss right?

2) I'll give you Siena, even though two of their big games were in a tournament.

3) Conference USA is a smaller conference, but I wouldn't call them a mid-major. (UAB)

Also, you gotta take into account of how small a school like St. Mary's budget-wise. They can't throw a bunch of money away in travel expenses going to all these big schools...especially since a lot of big schools are on the east coast. With the economy the way it is, people are reluctant to spend a bunch of money traveling around the nation playing road games. Again, it's not that easy to call up UCLA and try and schedule a game. You gotta take into account UCLA's schedule, your own schedule, whether or not they even think it's worth it to play you, and the financial implications of playing in that game.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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1) It was easier for Davidson because of Stephen Curry and the TV exposure. Without Stephen Curry, no way does Davidson schedule those games. Also, it's a fine line. Look at how hard Davidson scheduled, and now they aren't even in the tournament. Like you said a loss is a loss right?

2) I'll give you Siena, even though two of their big games were in a tournament.

3) Conference USA is a smaller conference, but I wouldn't call them a mid-major. (UAB)

Also, you gotta take into account of how small a school like St. Mary's budget-wise. They can't throw a bunch of money away in travel expenses going to all these big schools...especially since a lot of big schools are on the east coast. With the economy the way it is, people are reluctant to spend a bunch of money traveling around the nation playing road games. Again, it's not that easy to call up UCLA and try and schedule a game. You gotta take into account UCLA's schedule, your own schedule, whether or not they even think it's worth it to play you, and the financial implications of playing in that game.

1. So it was proved Davidson didn't deserve to be among the top 30 @ large teams then, huh? That's what its all about. Prove you belong. The Gaels didn't have enough wins that proved they belong. Not as many as Arizona or Maryland.

2. Plus, Siena didn't have a big name like Patrick Mills on their team. And if they got a couple extra games because of a tournament, why didn't St.Mary's do so as well?

3. C-USA has been a one bid conference for how long? How are they not a mid-major? Memphis' presence doesn't make C-USA a major conference any more than Gonzaga makes the West Coast conference one.

4. I don't expect UCLA to play St.Mary's. I know the major schools won't give the small ones a break. But I don't buy the economy argument. I would think if they could get Morgan St to travel all the way from Baltimore to play in their building, then the Gaels could find some way to put a better team on their sched. If the Gaels could travel to Kent St, then they could try to get Xavier or Ohio St. If they can get to UTEP, they could play Texas or A&M. If they could go to So.Ill, they could try Illinois, Mizzo, Memphis.

[machchunk]

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I wouldn't call C-USA a basketball mid-major when it average the 7th largest basketball budget out of all 31 Division I conferences and has contracts for 6 bowl bids in FBS football. Just like nobody calls the Mountain West a mid-major even though they're in basically the same position.

Tulsa was probably 4 seconds away from getting an at-large bid anyway.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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I wouldn't call C-USA a basketball mid-major when it average the 7th largest basketball budget out of all 31 Division I conferences and has contracts for 6 bowl bids in FBS football. Just like nobody calls the Mountain West a mid-major even though they're in basically the same position.

Tulsa was probably 4 seconds away from getting an at-large bid anyway.

I call MtnW mid-major as well. I'm talking basketball, not football. Anyone outside the Super6 is a mid-major, w/the exception of Memphis, Gonz, & X.

[machchunk]

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I call MtnW mid-major as well.

25 winningest men's basketball programs by conference affiliation

Big East-4 (6 if accounting for 2004 conference realignment)
Pac 10-4

ACC-3
Big Ten-3
Big 12-2
Ivy League-2
MWC-2
CUSA-2 (0 if accounting for 2004 conference realignment
A-10-1
SEC-1
Sun Belt-1

Say what you will, but the conference has performed consistently and is overall much more talented than its "non-BCS" label indicates.

[superjames1992]

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25 winningest men's basketball programs by conference affiliation

Big East-4 (6 if accounting for 2004 conference realignment)
Pac 10-4

ACC-3
Big Ten-3
Big 12-2
Ivy League-2
MWC-2
CUSA-2 (0 if accounting for 2004 conference realignment
A-10-1
SEC-1
Sun Belt-1
Say what you will, but the conference has performed consistently and is overall much more talented than its "non-BCS" label indicates.

West Virginia is #24 in all-time wins? I had no idea they were that high.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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25 winningest men's basketball programs by conference affiliation

Big East-4 (6 if accounting for 2004 conference realignment)
Pac 10-4

ACC-3
Big Ten-3
Big 12-2
Ivy League-2
MWC-2
CUSA-2 (0 if accounting for 2004 conference realignment
A-10-1
SEC-1
Sun Belt-1

Say what you will, but the conference has performed consistently and is overall much more talented than its "non-BCS" label indicates.

That is absolutely no proof. I guess the Ivy League isn't a mid-major conference then? And even if that was the case, you just disproved your contention that the CUSA is currently a majority mid-major conference.