Next Gen gameplay shows same issues from CG

[The JareBear]

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The good thing is, in my eyes, these are things that can be easily patched or fixed. IMO these issues are nowhere near the level of M25 issues. I think 2k fans have reason to be hopeful that these get ironed out.

[jersez]

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The good thing is, in my eyes, these are things that can be easily patched or fixed. IMO these issues are nowhere near the level of M25 issues. I think 2k fans have reason to be hopeful that these get ironed out.

I hope so, but then again "the devs know" so oh well.

[BluFu]

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I'd disagree somewhat; I think it depends on the context. More often than not NBA2K14 isn't compared to another videogame, it's compared to real life. Or what someone's perspective of what would occur in real life. When comparison video is posted, it's usually of something that occurs in real life - and the game is always going to pale in comparison. I think that's where some perspective is needed and the fact that this is a videogame needs to be taken into context.

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That's not to say it shouldn't continue to improve, just saying it'd be nice to see some perspective used when discussing issues.

what people need to realize is that 2k set these standards for themselves. when you go out and put all these visual details (hand prints on back board, more crowd models, scorers table, ball rotation, split ends) into the game, in a way you 'set yourself up' for all the other things missing like core gameplay mechanics (rebounding, momentum, auto bounce pass).

when people see a game that is one step closer to perfection it creates some frustration as to why it's still feels on par with a game (CG) that still needs time to reach 'perceived perfection'.

yes, i do understand that visuals and gameplay are made by separate teams but people view games as a whole not as separate teams.

[GoGetta408]

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This is exactly why I doubt that this engine was 'built from the ground up'

It seems to me that 2K is doing exactly what Activision did, which was to claim CoD Ghosts was running on a completely new engine, but we later found out that was BS. It runs on the same old engine, its just updated.

I assume 2K did the same thing. Don't be fooled with what the marketing wizards, LD2K and Ronnie2K tell you.

[dre2]

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This is exactly why I doubt that this engine was 'built from the ground up'

It seems to me that 2K is doing exactly what Activision did, which was to claim CoD Ghosts was running on a completely new engine, but we later found out that was BS. It runs on the same old engine, its just updated.

I assume 2K did the same thing. Don't be fooled with what the marketing wizards, LD2K and Ronnie2K tell you.

I feel like a lot of people don't understand what a 'new engine' entails, you wouldn't scrap the entire AI of any videogame that is a sequel, it is fine to bring up the issues as they are legacy issues with AI etc. but I honestly can't see how you would compare the actual game engines and call 2K liars when it clearly seems one of the MOST rebuilt ones at NG lauch. If they were the same most of these effects etc would be matched/exceeded by PC mods but the PC gets the cg older game engine this year which is why it can't match the visual fidelity even though it has way more raw horsepower.

[Kaanyr Vhok]

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hasheem thabeet wasn't user error, chris bosh spin oop, the left handed pass wasn't user error, and that knicks vs Brooklyn nets game was a CPU vs CPU game lol. You say they know already like it makes it acceptable, I'm not here to bash the game, I'm here pushing for improvement. Being a fanboy doesn't help devs, and being a ***** doesn't help devs, I am neither. All I did was show evidence of issues, but you guys are killing me and I didn't even make the game. The visual feedback helps devs ask Czar, matter of fact Czar shows issues in gameplay but he doesn't get the same negativity.

I still dont get what was wrong with the Bosh oop. The defense was terrible but Bosh could see him before he spun.

[Kaanyr Vhok]

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This is exactly why I doubt that this engine was 'built from the ground up'

It seems to me that 2K is doing exactly what Activision did, which was to claim CoD Ghosts was running on a completely new engine, but we later found out that was BS. It runs on the same old engine, its just updated.

I assume 2K did the same thing. Don't be fooled with what the marketing wizards, LD2K and Ronnie2K tell you.

The engine is new. Most of the animations, Ai, and physics were ported. Nobody is being fooled, this isnt a big lie, thats just how game design works.

[jersez]

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So from what I'm seeing it's okay that a game be visually realistic. But not realistic gameplay wise? If that's the case then what's the point of posting on here? Since we're happy that it's visually perfect(figure of speech)

[jersez]

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I still dont get what was wrong with the Bosh oop. The defense was terrible but Bosh could see him before he spun.

Defense wasn't terrible dwight was glitched out of position. The game let's bosh throw the oop but dwight is still in his riding animation, and the fact that it's bosh throwing a over the shoulder alley oop, when he was just being guarded tightly.

[Kaanyr Vhok]

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Defense wasn't terrible dwight was glitched out of position. The game let's bosh throw the oop but dwight is still in his riding animation, and the fact that it's bosh throwing a over the shoulder alley oop, when he was just being guarded tightly.

The defense on Bosh and James was terrible. In a few seconds of game time the defense gave them both easy backdoor opportunities. Bosh could see James cutting he turns to avoid contact and tosses it up. Its awkward but I could see it happening with LeBron going hard to the hoop. He might be thinking just get it up there and LeBron will take care of it.

[Slater James]

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The live stream has proved the OP to be right on the money.

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[jersez]

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The defense on Bosh and James was terrible. In a few seconds of game time the defense gave them both easy backdoor opportunities. Bosh could see James cutting he turns to avoid contact and tosses it up. Its awkward but I could see it happening with LeBron going hard to the hoop. He might be thinking just get it up there and LeBron will take care of it.

Just so that I'm clear you're using a video game chris bosh pov? just so i'm clear. Lmao if this is what it's come down too then there is nothing else to debate, you can see through the matrix of nba 2k14.

[BluFu]

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Just so that I'm clear you're using a video game chris bosh pov? just so i'm clear. Lmao if this is what it's come down too then there is nothing else to debate, you can see through the matrix of nba 2k14.

actually through bosh's perspective, it's entirely possible that he saw him cutting. the problem is that pass animation which gives observers the illusion that bosh wasn't looking at all.

[Boilerbuzz]

Next Gen gameplay shows same issues from CG

And not surprised, you whine about my opinion. If you have a bone to pick with me or my opinion feel free to PM me. Otherwise, calm down and stop acting butthurt over things i say.

Butthurt? Irony. You're saying someone else is butthurt. You're one of the BIGGEST whiners on OS, dude! Doesn't matter the game. You have very few opinions that range above annoyance to downright outrage. FOH with that butthurt mess.

I only mentioned complacency when people say "it's just a video game" in response to any complaint mentioned, it's a copout and a terrible argument.

And crying about the issues you and your parrots do is as much as you do gets repetitive to the point where people start seeing it as whining and crying. Weakening it's impact.

I mean using that logic, since it's "just a video game" why should graphics matter that much? It's not real life? Why should they pay attention to details and make players look like their real life counter parts? That argument doesn't work, you can't pick and choose issues that you feel aren't important and just say because it's a video game it doesn't matter.

No one is arguing that. The problem is when you browbeat the hell out of things. Make your point and move on. Acknowledge progress and expect more progress. There is no friggin' magic wand to this stuff.

This whole argument doesn't work. For one, who said it has to be perfect? Who said it wasn't a video game?(seriously, show me where anyone said that, i'm curious) Instead of strawmanning arguments you don't like, and making up imaginary people/arguments to respond to, why not address what was actually said?

Do you know what that means? Read my post. You and your boy tell some other dude to shut up using the excuse that it's a video game. Then you start going of on a philosophical rant about said excuse. Talk about straw man...

BTW, who are you to tell people how to manage their expectations!?

You should try re reading what i said, seems you missed the point, by a mile i might add. Just so you could go on some kind of tangent about opinions you don't like.

You apparently can't read. My post was pretty clear. Why don't you try rereading my post. I'll ask again, who are you to tell people how to view a video game? How is treating a game as a game something to be ridiculed?

I said not ONE word against your opinion of the issues. I agree with them. But I'm not beating war drums and I'm not telling others to shut up when they voice their reasons for not having a baby about those issues. Is that clear enough for you?

Overall, anyone expecting the gameplay to be some monumental change from current gen is not very bright. I know that will piss off some people, but it's true. People put these asinine expectations on all of these games and cry a river when those aren't met. Get over it.

[I Djm]

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So this is why the CPU is always killing humans on the offensive glass.

Dudes are boxing out space, not their man. Wow.

I remember years ago the fights on this forum for rebounds hitting the floor. Rebounding worked very well at one point. But it's been a serious issue for the last 2 or so years.

now apply that to mycareer if you arent reboudning you're always going to lose on the glass every game