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  • Sundown
    MVP
    • Oct 2010
    • 3270

    #91
    Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

    Originally posted by vannwolfhawk
    Wow! Boundaries too? That's awesome! Maybe these were meant to be in and they are fixing something? Let's hope because it sounds like the combo of both would be near perfect and a huge step in defensive game planning.

    Question: were both these options in the CG game?
    Weren't you the one who asked for boundaries?

    No! CG didn't even have that option.

    Van, let's just say from a conversation I had I don't get the sense that they took defensive settings out to fix something. It may have been taken out because it conflicted with POEs, however.

    Guys, what we need to do is the following:

    1. Come up with detailed thoughts on how POEs can layer or co-exist with classic defensive schemes.

    2. Come up with ideas on how to tweak POEs so we can at least patch some holes in our defensive options if Defensive Settings don't come back this year.


    For starters, an easy no-nonsense way to re-incorporate Defensive Settings and not have them conflict with POEs:

    1. Bring back Defensive Settings -- call it Defensive Gameplan.

    2. Add Defensive Gameplan to the list of options in Timeout, which allows you to set classic Defensive Settings.

    3. Rename the OFF option in Defensive POE to "STICK TO GAMEPLAN"

    4. Rename Matchups option in Pause Menu to Defensive Gameplan, and allow us to page through using L2 and R2 to set Doubles, Pick and Roll, etc. This also mirrors how the settings work (or used to work) in the pre-game lineup settings. They won't even have to change the icon. It's already a shield to denote defense.

    5. Bring Back full modification of Coach Profiles to the Options screen. Or better yet, move it to the Defensive Gameplan (formerly Matchups) option. It might make more sense to rename Matchups to just "Gameplan" or "Coaching" then if everything will be dumped in there.


    This brings back everything we had, used, and loved while allowing it to coexist next to POE without interference.

    This also adds an additional, casual friendly, immersion factor by allowing us to "Stick to the gameplan!" during timeouts. It's the very tone POEs are meant to strike-- sounding like a soundbite from a wired broadcast that means something more.

    They might not have audio for this yet, but they could even have Doris Burke announce the following--

    "I just overheard in the huddle that coach Mark Jackson wants the team to stick to their gameplan. Shots might fall in the face of great defense, but coach is confident that if they trust their scouting reports and each other, things will eventually go their way. Back to you, Kevin."

    A casual might be curious as to what the "Gameplan" actually is, and opt to look at the Gameplan settings. Then he might either realize that there's a lot he wants to learn about the game-- or that he's happy with everything set to auto-- or he might just pick one of the POEs he actually understands. We've either made a new hardcore player, or a casual goes on his merry old way, no harm, no foul. Win, win.

    He will also understand that since "STICK TO GAMEPLAN" is one of the POE options, the other options are obviously to DIVERGE from the Gameplan. It becomes self explanatory that POEs other than STICK TO GAMEPLAN do something else than the Gameplan and overrides any Defensive Settings or Coach Profile settings that might be set.

    Let's hear more, guys.
    Last edited by Sundown; 11-22-2013, 07:50 AM.

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    • vannwolfhawk
      MVP
      • Jun 2009
      • 3412

      #92
      Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

      Originally posted by Rule of Two
      Put 2K's dick back in your mouth and let the big boys have a conversation. Thanks, bud.
      ROTFLMAO!!! Thanks for my new signature... Lol
      Last edited by vannwolfhawk; 11-20-2013, 04:15 AM.
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      • vannwolfhawk
        MVP
        • Jun 2009
        • 3412

        #93
        Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

        Originally posted by Sundown
        Weren't you the one who asked for boundaries?

        No! CG didn't even have that option.

        Van, let's just say from a conversation I had I don't get the sense that they took defensive settings out to fix something. It may have been taken out because it conflicted with POEs, however.

        Guys, what we need to do is the following:

        1. Come up with detailed thoughts on how POEs can layer or co-exist with classic defensive schemes.

        2. Come up with ideas on how to tweak POEs so we can at least patch some holes in our defensive options right now.


        For starters, an easy no-nonsense way to re-incorporate Defensive Settings and not have them conflict with POEs:

        1. Bring back Defensive Settings -- call it Defensive Gameplan.

        2. Add Defensive Gameplan to the list of options in Timeout, which allows you to set classic Defensive Settings.

        3. Rename the OFF option in Defensive POE to "STICK TO GAMEPLAN"

        4. Rename Matchups option in Pause Menu to Defensive Gameplan, and allow us to page through using L2 and R2 to set Doubles, Pick and Roll, etc. This also mirrors how the settings work (or used to work) in the pre-game lineup settings. They won't even have to change the icon. It's already a shield to denote defense.

        5. Bring Back full modification of Coach Profiles to the Options screen. Or better yet, move it to the Defensive Gameplan (formerly Matchups) option. It might make more sense to rename Matchups to just "Gameplan" or "Coaching" then if everything will be dumped in there.


        This brings back everything we had, used, and loved while allowing it to coexist next to POE without interference.

        This also adds an additional, casual friendly, immersion factor by allowing us to "Stick to the gameplan!" during timeouts. It's the very tone POEs are meant to strike-- sounding like a soundbite from a wired broadcast that means something more.

        They might not have audio for this yet, but they could even have Doris Burke announce the following--

        "I just overheard in the huddle that coach Mark Jackson wants the team to stick to their gameplan. Shots might fall in the face of great defense, but coach is confident that if they trust their scouting reports and each other, things will eventually go their way. Back to you, Kevin."

        A casual might be curious as to what the "gameplan" actually is, and opt to look at the Gameplan settings. Then he might either realize that there's a lot he wants to learn about the game-- or that he's happy with everything set to auto-- or he might just pick one of the POEs he actually understands.

        He will also understand that since "STICK TO GAMEPLAN" is one of the POE options, the other options are obviously to DIVERGE from the Gameplan. It becomes self explanatory that POEs other than STICK TO GAMEPLAN do something else than the Gameplan and overrides any Defensive Settings or Coach Profile settings that might be set.

        Let's hear more, guys.
        Yes I suggested it...

        Great post! I'd have to have the game and also test or know how each POE works to know hey the can co exist. I know Zach timmerman said he'd hope to break this down for us as well as chris said he's going to try and get a dev to come into their in depth live stream.

        It's really weird it was in the game and patched out though. It could have been great with the 2 in the game together!
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        • Melbournelad
          MVP
          • Oct 2012
          • 1559

          #94
          Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

          Originally posted by Rule of Two
          Put 2K's dick back in your mouth and let the big boys have a conversation. Thanks, bud.
          LOL this line has to be posted in the classic threads, thread.

          Last edited by Melbournelad; 11-20-2013, 05:17 AM.

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          • Slater James
            Rookie
            • Oct 2013
            • 92

            #95
            Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

            Originally posted by Sundown
            WOW! It's confirmed!

            Defensive Settings WERE in the game pre-patch! I just reinstalled without the patch and they're there!

            They're available in the pre-game Lineup/Matchup settings. You can scroll through them using L1 and R1. Default is Guarded By. Doubles, Pick & Roll, Hedge, it's ALL THERE.

            In fact, there's a NEW option for Double Teams called "BOUNDARIES"! YOU COULD TRAP IN CORNERS!!

            The limitation is that you can't set anything for non-starters (just like current gen at the pre-game matchup screen, except you could mid-game in coaching).

            WHY WERE THESE REMOVED?!
            Sure would be nice to have some dev insight here...

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            • Slater James
              Rookie
              • Oct 2013
              • 92

              #96
              Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

              Originally posted by mars5541
              there a reason for this post or do u just wanna be heard?

              Lol at you trying to be cool, kid
              It was funny man. Let it go, move on.

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              • the_future420
                MVP
                • Jul 2002
                • 3086

                #97
                Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

                Originally posted by Slater James
                Sure would be nice to have some dev insight here...

                Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk
                Tell me about it. The ONLY thing I can think of is that they are trying to work some type of bugs out with these setting and they will be back. Anything else is an absolute head scratcher
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                • cardinalbird5
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2006
                  • 2814

                  #98
                  Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

                  Are they going to patch this?

                  NBA Live has all of these defensive settings and they even how to play off ball screens...
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                  • Rockie_Fresh88
                    Lockdown Defender
                    • Oct 2011
                    • 9621

                    #99
                    Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

                    Originally posted by Sundown
                    WOW! It's confirmed!

                    Defensive Settings WERE in the game pre-patch! I just reinstalled without the patch and they're there!

                    They're available in the pre-game Lineup/Matchup settings. You can scroll through them using L1 and R1. Default is Guarded By. Doubles, Pick & Roll, Hedge, it's ALL THERE.

                    In fact, there's a NEW option for Double Teams called "BOUNDARIES"! YOU COULD TRAP IN CORNERS!!

                    The limitation is that you can't set anything for non-starters (just like current gen at the pre-game matchup screen, except you could mid-game in coaching).

                    WHY WERE THESE REMOVED?!
                    Played a match with it? How was it? If it was removed then it should be an easy patch in
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                    First Team Defense !!!

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                    • cgalligan
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 1675

                      #100
                      Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

                      All the settings are still there, they are just set up differently that make it more realistic from a coaching standpoint.

                      If you "key on" a player, he'll be double teamed allot, if you "create chaos" you will see your guys trapping the other team in the corners and playing the passing lanes really tight...

                      All the settings for Defense are still there, and, in my opinion, this is much more realistic than saying "double X player every time" or "play tight / sag off"
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                      • cgalligan
                        MVP
                        • Mar 2005
                        • 1675

                        #101
                        Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

                        Originally posted by cardinalbird7
                        Are they going to patch this?

                        NBA Live has all of these defensive settings and they even how to play off ball screens...
                        What's NBA Live?

                        Oh, that game EA just put out... You're not honestly comparing that game to 2k14 are you?
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                        • Optik
                          MVP
                          • Aug 2012
                          • 1025

                          #102
                          Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

                          Originally posted by cgalligan
                          All the settings are still there, they are just set up differently that make it more realistic from a coaching standpoint.

                          If you "key on" a player, he'll be double teamed allot, if you "create chaos" you will see your guys trapping the other team in the corners and playing the passing lanes really tight...

                          All the settings for Defense are still there, and, in my opinion, this is much more realistic than saying "double X player every time" or "play tight / sag off"
                          This has already been debunked (albeit we were debunking a troll, which makes your post look even worse) so I'm not sure why you're repeating it but do you really think Erik Spoelstra won 2 championships with the Heat by just jumping and waving his hands in the air and shouting "Create chaos! Oh yeah and also...GRIND!"?
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                          • Rockie_Fresh88
                            Lockdown Defender
                            • Oct 2011
                            • 9621

                            #103
                            Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

                            Originally posted by Rule of Two
                            Put 2K's dick back in your mouth and let the big boys have a conversation. Thanks, bud.
                            Thanks bud!!! Very insightful post tell me moreeee
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                            First Team Defense !!!

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                            • Rockie_Fresh88
                              Lockdown Defender
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 9621

                              #104
                              Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

                              I think some of you guys are just blaming 2k because you can't play defense
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                              • JasonWilliams55
                                MVP
                                • Jul 2012
                                • 2045

                                #105
                                Re: Defensive Settings Completely Removed from Next-Gen.

                                Twitter convo w/ Zach Timmerman about PoE.



                                1. nba2kweekly ‏<s>@</s>nba2kweekly <small class="time"> 17h </small>
                                  <s>@</s>Beluba <s>@</s>JersDaCurse <s>@</s>robjones2k <s>@</s>CHoops4Life - Can we get some insight into the PoE? What exactly do they do/how/etc, would <s>#</s>help <s>#</s>clarify


                                1. nba2kweekly ‏<s>@</s>nba2kweekly <small class="time"> 11h </small>
                                  <s>@</s>CHoops4Life Are they coaching profile edits with defensive assignment adjustments as well in preset format

                                1. Zach Timmerman ‏<s>@</s>CHoops4Life <small class="time"> 11h </small>
                                  <s>@</s>nba2kweekly POE packages defensive settings, coach profile sliders and player/coach tendencies into an easy to select interface. So, sorta


                                So we know for sure that PoE is coach pro + def settings preset plus player/coach tendency (adjustments?) I would love to hear more about the player/coach tendencies and how they are involved with the PoEs.
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