NBA 2K14 VC Shows Its Ugly Side

[stillfeelme]

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That chorus sums it up. The VC implementation is B.S. 2K knows it but marketing and sales they will do whatever they can to meet sales projections. So OS speak with your wallet and in your your comments in threads in the community. It is the only thing they will respect money first and complaints.

It is basically like this. They knew that sales would be lower this year with the new systems so they made a way to increase revenue to offset sales. I know most have money to buy the VC but it is the principle behind it so if you can fight the urge and not buy VC you will be helping out the gaming community as a whole. I know I will not be buying any VC. I will rather not play the mode that requires me to pay further to be competitive when I already paid to play the game.

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• What's next 2K VC for practice plays?
• VC for play with friends with custom sliders
• VC for custom leagues?

See how crazy it can get if we let this go unnoticed. "Give em and inch and they will take a mile"

[quehouston]

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Curious, what's the reception on 2K's own forums?

Very much of the same as here.

[Sundown]

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The VC creep is consistent with one other thing-- the cheesy online play 2K seems to insist on allowing year to year.

What they share reveal a common design directive from somewhere high up in 2K-- that game balance, realism, quality, and satisfying progression can and should be sacrificed for potential profits.

Is it just coincidence that the VC logo on the VC coin looks like a piece of cheese?

LD2K mentioned that he had some difficulty convincing some at 2K to turn up the difficulty online-- and what we got still doesn't feel like Allstar Sim. There appears to be this fear that anything that could hypothetically cause inaccessibility-- even if it is ACTUAL BASKETBALL ITSELF-- would hurt profits. So they allow anyone and everyone to chuck up threes, paint spam, dunk endlessly, and succeed with hero ball.

The sad fact is, these concessions hurt the game and are baked into 2K's design philosophy from the highest levels-- when simply creating a more realistic, more balanced, more authentic, better playing game could actually increase sales.

2K's biggest jump in sales wasn't when they went casual-- but when they incorporated the greatest NBA legend and handled his addition with respect and authenticity while the other franchise tried to pander with hype and accessibility. It was also the most balanced year online, not so coincidentally.

There are some parts of the game that seemingly cling onto realism and authenticity, like the core gameplay engine. I have no doubt those involved in these parts (and most modes of 2K for that matter) are passionate about doing their work right. Unfortunately, what appears to be a top-down mandate to sacrifice the game's value, balance, and quality for sales and profits, theoretical and real, seems to taint nearly every mode and some of the modes it hasn't have already been eliminated.

There's so much good in this game. And then are these constant, baffling decisions to make the game so much less than it was, should, or could be, and these decisions seem to be growing more numerous each year.

[apollooff320]

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Say 20 of you on here might not buy VC Ronnie and them won't care because hundreads that don't ever go on here or other forums will buy it and not care

I admit if we go back to 2k13 till now i wasted at least 150-200 easy on VC..i don't hate it because i don't want to start crappy in MyCareer but it shouldn't be FORCED on those who don't want to or have extra money to spend

I'm pretty positive most of the 2K bb gamers don't buy VC. They have a small amount of ppl that pay for it. With things costing even more then last year that portion of ppl is most likely smaller. 2K will get OK sells this year since know one knew of the problems this game had and the reviews were all good. But I bet this game won't continue to sell good as these stories keep getting out. 2K will lose even more sells next year if they pull the same crap and have many of it's fans going to NBA Live just to get their basketball fix.

[Smirkin Dirk]

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We urgently need EA to put out a competitive product, and hope they dont collude with 2K by both having these cash cows.

[Sundown]

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I'm pretty positive most of the 2K bb gamers don't buy VC. They have a small amount of ppl that pay for it. With things costing even more then last year that portion of ppl is most likely smaller. 2K will get OK sells this year since know one knew of the problems this game had and the reviews were all good. But I bet this game won't continue to sell good as these stories keep getting out. 2K will lose even more sells next year if they pull the same crap and have many of it's fans going to NBA Live just to get their basketball fix.

This needs to be a major story. 2K isn't as effected either way for NG because the user install base is so small compared to CG. As it grows, discontent over VC will likely affect them, especially those that are already hesitant about going to NG. If they understand that the VC demands in NG are so much higher than what they're used to in CG, they will rethink their purchase.

2K likely used 2K14 NG as a trial run of their more egregious VC practices. They COULD have waited and hit when the user base was much larger, or hit both CG and NG simultaenously. Unfortunately for 2K, they may have created a lot of suspicion and ill-will that may be remembered as more folks cautiously make the transition next year.

[yungflo]

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http://www.pastapadre.com/2013/12/10...-nba-2k-series

This should be read by ALL sports gamers. Everyone should get on board with this issue unless we all want the future of sports gaming to go in the direction that NBA 2K14 NG has us going.

Hope Owen Good and our staff here at OS pick up on this issue as well.

Sadly, this is not just sport gaming. this is gaming's future. Everyone rejoiced when they said, no online passes for used games. But they just shifted the focus to obtain money to something else. To selling you incomplete games and offering DLC to buy for selling you an incomplete game, and now. its VC./XP or whatever whatever publusher wants to call it. Its spreading nasty like an std.. no one agrees with this practice, yet you seen 90s at the park.

My cousin actually spent money on VC. Not his money, but the promotional psn credit you get for buying a ps4. I was shocked. Why would anyone do that? This game is an annual title. Why would you deprive yourself of developing your career?

[MarvinOida]

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Why would you deprive yourself of developing your career?

And the fact they haven't implemented the idea of importing careers from past games is funny. I mean, I know that would cause problems with 99 overalls on day one, but if everyone had to restart next year with no VC and then use that myCareer as it's "online" player and then carry over year by year it's ratings/animations/gear, people wouldn't really have a problem.

And if people want to start a new career, they should be able to load out careers they want to play as online.

So many ideas but never get implemented for some reason.

EDIT: Who's the Keith guy in the Disqus chat, he seems very fan-boyish. One of the few guys who are defend 2k in this lol.

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[seanbarkley]

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The most distressing issue for me personally is the requirement to use VC to "unlock" basic abilities like changing your lineup in MYGM mode. Can you imagine in The Association mode in CG if they'd done that? I see now why they didn't give us 30 team control in MYGM.

You are wrong here! they have stated it wasn't included because of time constraints...[/IRONY]

The problem is You DAILY see on Twitter HOW GREAT the game is from Posters. How can a GAME be GREAT when it is BROKE(Freezing issues, cant SAVE ANYTHING, Cant Edit ANYTHING, Servers Down, etc). I know GRAPHICS are Great, etc, but that wears OFF after a week. It needs to be seen that IF USERs spend $60, they should be able to Edit the game as they see fit, play ALL Game Modes(On-Line, Off-Line, etc) and NOT have to PAY for Options that should be Included in the $60.

$60? and you think that's much? here in Spain the game is 70€, which equals $96.3!

Can you imagine how people feel over here when after spending almost $100 in a game, and once you have wasted a couple of hours with it you realize that they are bleeding you asking for more money for almost anything? and moreover, after wasting another couple of hours you realize that the same game that's trying to cheat you has been stripped down and has more bugs than a puddle of mud? Candy Crush is a free-to-play game and its microtransactions are less restrictive than this $96 game.

Do we have the word STUPID written on our foreheads???

I've been taking a look at Spaniard NBA2K forums and those are boiling too, so don't think it's just an isolated movement happening in OS or 2K Forums. Ronnie and LD just retweet positive comments but I'm sure that for each 2 positive tweets they have 50 not so nice.

2K has bitten the hand that feeds them and if they don't apologize and rectify their direction they will be in danger of starving. It's not the first time that has happened.

[MrMBrown]

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EDIT: Who's the Keith guy in the Disqus chat, he seems very fan-boyish. One of the few guys who are defend 2k in this lol.

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God, that dude is awful. He's the main reason I stopped posting responses over there.If EA Sports was doing this,the guy would be spitting fire. I've never seen anything like that guy.

[sword1986]

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I read all this and it's saddening. I grieve with everyone. NBA 2K14 fell off. I will never, ever spend my own hard earned money on VC. I bought the game and I want to play $60 worth. I guess the only way to enjoy the game is the play how it is; playing MyGM using any of my VC resources. If I don't have enough VC for a digital item in-game, so be it. You just have to play for what it is.

Everyone is different. All I want is to be able to play MyGM, change my opponent's jersey, customize other team's players (gear, jersey numbers, etc.), edit draft classes - just give us what 2K11 had.

[ron_bato]

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I am very frustrated with how the guys at Visual Concepts are treating their consumers with this direction that they're headed. I was upset last year with their VC implementation and pseudo 'always online' treatment, but didn't care too much because it mostly affected MyTeam and MyCareer, modes which I did not particularly care for. But now, it's affecting even the simplest things, and limiting the fun we get out of the Association mode. I hope LD2k is reading this, and I hope they pay attention to us, because this is extremely frustrating.

[STLRams]

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Wow, what has happend to 2Ksports. Between this and all of the missing features, customization that is not in NBA2K14, roster issues I'm shocked that route that they have went, and have kept quit about it. Usually the 2Kdevs communicate pretty well with the consumers, but this year it has been different.

[b0ck3n]

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I'm fairly sure there are lots of casual gamers out there who are very upset that their MyCareers or MyGMs, that they've poured purchased VC into, are corrupted and unplayable. EA had to publicly apologize for how their product performs - I'm actually baffled 2K Sports haven't done the same, and I'm absolutely disgusted with every celebratory tweet from Ronnie2K and LD2K. NBA 2K14 NG is nothing to be proud of, so let's hold off on tooting your own horns until you've patched this bug-ridden mess up.

[BobbyColtrane]

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This is the most "EA" thing they've done so far. if it's in the game it's in the game lol.

my ps4's on ebay, i only really play 2k and i have very little hope they are going to make this right.

back to PC for me especially since REditor just got released.

Adios muchachos!