Does 2K Even Care About Making the Game Realistic Anymore?

[Optik]

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Haha. The resident grumpy brother is back. The days of him and Jwill bringing discipline to the boards were classics.


You on next gen yet optik?

LOL, what's happening bruh? I'm just still playing 2K13 at the moment, trying to get a challenge from the CPU with a good roster and slider set. I'm waiting for a price drop for PS4 so maybe early next year. I might just get 2K14 in the mean time to try out the new freelance systems.

im not even talking about online. my issues are a combination of the slow-developing plays and subsequent breaking of said plays along with the poor pick and roll system and the psychic cpu defense.

for example if i call for a screen i should be able to react to what the defense does. but before the screen is even set i need to decide whether the screener is going to slip roll or pop. that decision shouldnt be made until after the screen is set and i see how the defense decides to defend it.

in the same scenario if i decided to have him roll its very difficult to get an open passing lane. even if the defender hedges the screen he immediately snaps back into place to intercept a pass at lightning speed. or if they dont hedge and i am able to use the screen to get around my defender he turns into usain bolt and is back on me before i get two steps away.

the cpu defense reads button presses instead of player movements and because of that their reaction is way too fast. running plays and trying to play actual realistic bball will not be fun until they can fix that.

I've always been puzzled by how 2K does the PnR game. In real life, the screener decides what he's going to do based on how the defense is playing him, the ball handler doesn't decide two seconds in advance of the pick being set. You should just be able to tap B to have a pick set for you and then the roller will just roll, pop or slip depending on his RL tendencies and how the defense is playing him.

[El_Poopador]

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LOL, what's happening bruh? I'm just still playing 2K13 at the moment, trying to get a challenge from the CPU with a good roster and slider set. I'm waiting for a price drop for PS4 so maybe early next year. I might just get 2K14 in the mean time to try out the new freelance systems.



I've always been puzzled by how 2K does the PnR game. In real life, the screener decides what he's going to do based on how the defense is playing him, the ball handler doesn't decide two seconds in advance of the pick being set. You should just be able to tap B to have a pick set for you and then the roller will just roll, pop or slip depending on his RL tendencies and how the defense is playing him.

thats pretty much exactly what i want. have the ai screener be intelligent enough to know whether to slip pop or roll based on how his defender reacts without me having to do anything. it would make things flow so much better and be far less frustrating.

[Noel.]

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All this is solved by playing with people you already know. Make a group of people to play with and stop playing with randoms

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[Guard-ian]

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I dont know whether they care or not, but 2k14 next gen is far from a realistic (basketball) sim...

[ManiacMatt1782]

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All this is solved by playing with people you already know. Make a group of people to play with and stop playing with randoms

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Bad basketball should be punished no matter who you play. If someone runs full sprint into a defender, and he doesn't get past his hip, to blow by him, it should be a charge, or they should pick up their dribble. No way should the defender fall out of position, and the charging offensive player maintain dribble. And if that does happen call it a charge. That will stop the unrealistic hold turbo, get stopped, keep turboing till it works because the defender playing good d, stumbles from the contact

[Optik]

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Bad basketball should be punished no matter who you play. If someone runs full sprint into a defender, and he doesn't get past his hip, to blow by him, it should be a charge, or they should pick up their dribble. No way should the defender fall out of position, and the charging offensive player maintain dribble. And if that does happen call it a charge. That will stop the unrealistic hold turbo, get stopped, keep turboing till it works because the defender playing good d, stumbles from the contact

Or even better, make them fumble the ball.

[XXstormmXX]

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The saddest part is that these people aren't sacrificing fun like you said, in reality this is how they have fun. And probably that the CPU cheats so it's not a great alternative to online.

[Vni]

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I've always been puzzled by how 2K does the PnR game. In real life, the screener decides what he's going to do based on how the defense is playing him, the ball handler doesn't decide two seconds in advance of the pick being set. You should just be able to tap B to have a pick set for you and then the roller will just roll, pop or slip depending on his RL tendencies and how the defense is playing him.

Really? No seriously you want the AI to decide the minimum for you. Calling for a pick should be one button. Once the screen is set it stays there until you:

Tap the pick button again for the big men to roll
Double tap the pick button for the big men to fade

That way you can read and react to what the defense's doing and it's not a stupid AI or a tendency that decides the outcome of the play.

That's it. Don't take control away from the player.

[alabamarob]

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Or even better, make them fumble the ball.

the ability to dribble in traffic is rare. especially while in full sprint. every guard is cp3 or hot sauce on 14. i agree. bring back 12s liveball also.

[HowDareI]

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I don't mind playing the computer in my GM mode..but you have to play real people in Road to Playoffs for My Team...that's where all this frustration stems.

And yes, some plays are slow and/or broken but you don't let the game decide the plays for you. Mess around with some teams, find a good playbook, find good plays in there etc.

[TheRealHST]

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All this is solved by playing with people you already know. Make a group of people to play with and stop playing with randoms

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They should have never took the lobbies out

[TheRealHST]

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I tried playing a game on auto playn I liked it at first, but like some of you said, the plays break and develop too slow. Its still somewhat better than me running pick and rolls all day

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[Vni]

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Why don't you just run plays by yourself?

[El_Poopador]

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Really? No seriously you want the AI to decide the minimum for you. Calling for a pick should be one button. Once the screen is set it stays there until you:

Tap the pick button again for the big men to roll
Double tap the pick button for the big men to fade

this would mean taking your thumb off the right stick so you cant execute any dribble moves. i dont like that idea.

That way you can read and react to what the defense's doing and it's not a stupid AI or a tendency that decides the outcome of the play.

That's it. Don't take control away from the player.

if they get the ai and tendencies correct then having the ai decide what to do would be great. and speaking from a realism standpoint you really should only be able to control one person at a time. if they can get the ai to a point where they make intelligent decisions then i would much rather have the ai decide what to do after setting a screen (if im controlling the ball handler).

but if they cant make the ai do the right thing then the user should be in control. of course even the way it is now the ai portion of the pnr doesnt work properly. half the time the roll man rolls away from the basket or doesnt roll at all even if thats what i call for. bottom line is that the ai needs to be completely redone from scratch to make this game more realistic.

[Vni]

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this would mean taking your thumb off the right stick so you cant execute any dribble moves. i dont like that idea.



if they get the ai and tendencies correct then having the ai decide what to do would be great. and speaking from a realism standpoint you really should only be able to control one person at a time. if they can get the ai to a point where they make intelligent decisions then i would much rather have the ai decide what to do after setting a screen (if im controlling the ball handler).

but if they cant make the ai do the right thing then the user should be in control. of course even the way it is now the ai portion of the pnr doesnt work properly. half the time the roll man rolls away from the basket or doesnt roll at all even if thats what i call for. bottom line is that the ai needs to be completely redone from scratch to make this game more realistic.

I was thinking of the rb button on xbox360 or r1. That way your thumbs remain on the sticks.

Concerning the AI, I don't expect any major improvements in that area in the next 20 years, they ain't got time for that. 2K can't even get shooting ratings right but you expect them to get big men's rolling tendency right? No chance. And btw I thought nba 2K was about controlling all 5 players at the same time? Wasn't it the argument on here? Why would you want the AI to decide what's gonna happen... I seriously don't get it.

Btw I think this thread isn't asking the right question. The right question is: Do players still care about having a realistic baskteball game? Just look at theses forums... It's less and less about basketball, and it's more about arcadey stuff, or micro transaction. Nba 2K's future is dark my friends.