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  • BQ32
    Pro
    • Jan 2011
    • 671

    #1

    Just want to remind everyone

    of how atrocious the game really is.


    The Knicks are one of the top 3 used teams in the game because they are unbelievably effective at hitting 3s and dunking in traffic.


    The best way to win is by using the heat but by sitting Dwade on the bench in favor ray allen and primarily playing Oden instead of Bosh, absurd.


    If you don't play 1-3-1 the entire game you are at a huge disadvantage and actually no matter how good your ball skills or switching you will NOT be able to get consistent stops playing traditional defense. In real life I can not remember watching an NBA game where a team used the 1-3-1 at all and I have league pass, disgusting.


    Every couple of games or so you will feel like there is no control over winning or losing buy using tactics other then unrealistic exploits. Good ball movement and open shots will not go in more frequently then contested/pull up in traffic/dribble stepback 3s.


    I just hope that at some point we will stop supporting this fake crap because it "LOOKS GOOD" and force devs to develop an actual game of basketball. These are just a couple of issues that stand out, I could go on and on, the game is ridiculous if you love basketball and have an understanding of the game.
  • Jhawkfootball06
    Pro
    • Jul 2009
    • 559

    #2
    Re: Just want to remind everyone

    You are playing against somebody else. You need to be reminded of this. You are not actually playing the Knicks, you are playing somebody controlling the Knicks players. If somebody is good with them and beats you, then stop blaming the game and blame yourself. They were better than you using their team of choice. I use the Bobcats, and consistently beat Heat, Knicks, Spurs, OKC, etc. Is it realistic? Hell no. I am just plain better than my opponent.

    Stop bitching and get better at the game. Stop blaming the game since somebody beat you. They keep hitting 3's? Defend the 3 point line better. They keep dunking? Defend the paint better. Nobody is going to consistently hit good contested 3s in your face. They just aren't. Man up, get better at D, and stop complaining.

    Your complaining shows that

    1. You do not know how to beat the 1-3-1 Zone
    2. You do not know how to contest a shot (Even with Durant a contested shot goes in maybe 25%)
    3. You do not know how to defend the paint. - You can anticipate somebody wanting to drive a mile away. Switch to your center and move in for the charge.
    Last edited by Jhawkfootball06; 05-27-2014, 12:16 PM.

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    • BQ32
      Pro
      • Jan 2011
      • 671

      #3
      Re: Just want to remind everyone

      @JHAWK


      1) you don't know me and if or when I get beat so stop assuming.


      2) My record is still top notch and I would most likely whoop your *** as I am highly ranked in Fight Night, Fifa, 2k, and others, have won tournaments and money.


      3) I am not bitching, I am an elite player keeping it real and telling the truth, unlike (I am assuming) drones like you who exploit everything there, feel great about yourself and don't want the game to have improved realism because you would have to learn basketball instead videogamesmanship.


      This is supposed to be a sim, marketed as a sim, but tools like you who keep hating on everyone's concerns and defending a game that plays in no way like its real life counterpart continue help perpetuate the cycle of an arcady exploitable basketball game.

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      • fufaso
        Rookie
        • Feb 2008
        • 71

        #4
        Re: Just want to remind everyone

        Originally posted by BQ32
        @JHAWK


        1) you don't know me and if or when I get beat so stop assuming.


        2) My record is still top notch and I would most likely whoop your *** as I am highly ranked in Fight Night, Fifa, 2k, and others, have won tournaments and money.


        3) I am not bitching, I am an elite player keeping it real and telling the truth, unlike (I am assuming) drones like you who exploit everything there, feel great about yourself and don't want the game to have improved realism because you would have to learn basketball instead videogamesmanship.


        This is supposed to be a sim, marketed as a sim, but tools like you who keep hating on everyone's concerns and defending a game that plays in no way like its real life counterpart continue help perpetuate the cycle of an arcady exploitable basketball game.


        Damn straight! I'd love to be able to go online for a quick match and actually play ball, not the cheeser-zone-3-jacking-nbaJAM ridiculousness. If you want to play dunkandrun cheese ball, play nbajam, not a simulation bball game.

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        • str8stuntin03
          Rookie
          • Feb 2003
          • 446

          #5
          Re: Just want to remind everyone

          same ol same ol around here i see lol
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          • Jhawkfootball06
            Pro
            • Jul 2009
            • 559

            #6
            Re: Just want to remind everyone

            Originally posted by BQ32
            @JHAWK


            1) you don't know me and if or when I get beat so stop assuming.


            2) My record is still top notch and I would most likely whoop your *** as I am highly ranked in Fight Night, Fifa, 2k, and others, have won tournaments and money.


            3) I am not bitching, I am an elite player keeping it real and telling the truth, unlike (I am assuming) drones like you who exploit everything there, feel great about yourself and don't want the game to have improved realism because you would have to learn basketball instead videogamesmanship.


            This is supposed to be a sim, marketed as a sim, but tools like you who keep hating on everyone's concerns and defending a game that plays in no way like its real life counterpart continue help perpetuate the cycle of an arcady exploitable basketball game.
            You keep telling everybody that you're an "elite player." You even felt the need to reiterate it twice in your response. Then you even felt the need to bash me on my experience, I believe you used the word "drone" to refer to me?

            You complained about things that a "elite player" shouldn't even complain about. Let's look back -

            You complained about many people using the Knicks online, that they have great 3 point shooters and good dunkers.

            -- Is that false? Do they not have good 3 point shooters and great dunkers? They certainly do. Just because in real life that they can't seem to play together as a team and look sloppy does not mean somebody can't control their video game counterparts and be good. If you believe they are overpowered then what are your suggestions? Don't use some general phrase "Tone down 3 pointers", use "I feel like JR Smiths Dunk Rating & 3PT Rating are too high."

            You then complained about the 1-3-1
            -- This is self-explanatory. People use 1-3-1 zone because players do not know how to beat it. The reason you don't see it in the NBA that often because they do know how to beat it. Again, you are playing against a player controlling a team. You are not playing against a computer. To put it in other terms, if somebody doesn't know what the hell they are doing and don't know how to guard the three point line. The person is going to abuse their weakness. You don't see this in NBA games because they do know how to guard the three point line.

            You are wanting 2K developers to dumb down defense.. to make it easier for the person to defend. If you can't guard the three point line blame yourself. If you can't guard the paint blame yourself.

            So called "cheesers" are easy to beat if you have good defense. If you don't know how to defend the three point line, guess what - that person is going to jack up a lot of threes. If you don't know how to defend the paint, guess what - that person is going to drive and dunk. You don't see this in the NBA because they know how to play defense.

            And you call yourself an "elite player.." smfh. All you are asking 2k to do is make it easier for novices like you to play defense.

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            • franzis
              MVP
              • Mar 2008
              • 1451

              #7
              Re: Just want to remind everyone

              Originally posted by Jhawkfootball06
              You keep telling everybody that you're an "elite player." You even felt the need to reiterate it twice in your response. Then you even felt the need to bash me on my experience, I believe you used the word "drone" to refer to me?

              You complained about things that a "elite player" shouldn't even complain about. Let's look back -

              You complained about many people using the Knicks online, that they have great 3 point shooters and good dunkers.

              -- Is that false? Do they not have good 3 point shooters and great dunkers? They certainly do. Just because in real life that they can't seem to play together as a team and look sloppy does not mean somebody can't control their video game counterparts and be good. If you believe they are overpowered then what are your suggestions? Don't use some general phrase "Tone down 3 pointers", use "I feel like JR Smiths Dunk Rating & 3PT Rating are too high."

              You then complained about the 1-3-1
              -- This is self-explanatory. People use 1-3-1 zone because players do not know how to beat it. The reason you don't see it in the NBA that often because they do know how to beat it. Again, you are playing against a player controlling a team. You are not playing against a computer. To put it in other terms, if somebody doesn't know what the hell they are doing and don't know how to guard the three point line. The person is going to abuse their weakness. You don't see this in NBA games because they do know how to guard the three point line.

              You are wanting 2K developers to dumb down defense.. to make it easier for the person to defend. If you can't guard the three point line blame yourself. If you can't guard the paint blame yourself.

              So called "cheesers" are easy to beat if you have good defense. If you don't know how to defend the three point line, guess what - that person is going to jack up a lot of threes. If you don't know how to defend the paint, guess what - that person is going to drive and dunk. You don't see this in the NBA because they know how to play defense.

              And you call yourself an "elite player.." smfh. All you are asking 2k to do is make it easier for novices like you to play defense.
              aaawww stop it.
              There is no "improve your defense" when your opponent hits contested 3s from the dribble on regular basis.
              There is something wrong when the average legit user is regularly beaten by the average cheeser.

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              • Jhawkfootball06
                Pro
                • Jul 2009
                • 559

                #8
                Re: Just want to remind everyone

                Originally posted by franzis
                aaawww stop it.
                There is no "improve your defense" when your opponent hits contested 3s from the dribble on regular basis.
                There is something wrong when the average legit user is regularly beaten by the average cheeser.
                I played this game for too long to know that consistent contestant threes do not go in. If somebody is for you then you should readjust your definition of "contested." 2k developers made, I believe this is a quote actually, that they reward users for user contesting shots more so than computer contested shots. You tell me that somebody can make consistent user contested threes? Show me

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                • dramachild11
                  Pro
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 888

                  #9
                  Re: Just want to remind everyone

                  I refuse to play online unless I know the person I'm playing because anytime it's not I inevitably come up against some one who's using some kind of exploit that while not unbeatable does make me feel as though I'm playing nba jam, I do know that the 1-3-1 zone is pretty much non-existent in the NBA and that the actual weakness to that zone is the corner 3, but that many of the people online seem to use it since it's so hard to play straight man D and that playing man D for most of the game means they'll lose, I don't think the game is trash I just think that people want to enjoy themselves and that usually means winning even if it's at the expense of realism

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                  • Rockie_Fresh88
                    Lockdown Defender
                    • Oct 2011
                    • 9621

                    #10
                    Re: Just want to remind everyone

                    I really like this game offline . But online is so frustrating .

                    I'm actually having more Fun with Live as of late .
                    #1 Laker fan
                    First Team Defense !!!

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                    • HowDareI
                      MVP
                      • Jan 2012
                      • 1900

                      #11
                      Re: Just want to remind everyone

                      Originally posted by Jhawkfootball06
                      You keep telling everybody that you're an "elite player." You even felt the need to reiterate it twice in your response. Then you even felt the need to bash me on my experience, I believe you used the word "drone" to refer to me?

                      You complained about things that a "elite player" shouldn't even complain about. Let's look back -

                      You complained about many people using the Knicks online, that they have great 3 point shooters and good dunkers.

                      -- Is that false? Do they not have good 3 point shooters and great dunkers? They certainly do. Just because in real life that they can't seem to play together as a team and look sloppy does not mean somebody can't control their video game counterparts and be good. If you believe they are overpowered then what are your suggestions? Don't use some general phrase "Tone down 3 pointers", use "I feel like JR Smiths Dunk Rating & 3PT Rating are too high."

                      You then complained about the 1-3-1
                      -- This is self-explanatory. People use 1-3-1 zone because players do not know how to beat it. The reason you don't see it in the NBA that often because they do know how to beat it. Again, you are playing against a player controlling a team. You are not playing against a computer. To put it in other terms, if somebody doesn't know what the hell they are doing and don't know how to guard the three point line. The person is going to abuse their weakness. You don't see this in NBA games because they do know how to guard the three point line.

                      You are wanting 2K developers to dumb down defense.. to make it easier for the person to defend. If you can't guard the three point line blame yourself. If you can't guard the paint blame yourself.

                      So called "cheesers" are easy to beat if you have good defense. If you don't know how to defend the three point line, guess what - that person is going to jack up a lot of threes. If you don't know how to defend the paint, guess what - that person is going to drive and dunk. You don't see this in the NBA because they know how to play defense.

                      And you call yourself an "elite player.." smfh. All you are asking 2k to do is make it easier for novices like you to play defense.
                      If you've played this game long enough you'd realize zones are op, period. Not 1-3-1..all of them.

                      Why?
                      Because in true basketball you beat the zone by making good clean passes, something you cannot do in this game. You cannot, 100% cannot throw a good pass in this game. Somewhere down the line when the devs made this game, they included dozens of pass animations but they're all soft, lazy passes.
                      And the problems made worse by the AI defense being so quick to recover in the zone..so even if you make a good pass to the wing, if the human doesn't switch (which no one ever plays on-ball d so they never switch) the AI defending that zone will close-out fast as hell and get a hand up in your face.

                      There is absolutely no way to realistically beat a zone in this game; the second someone switches to a zone you either run the same play over-and-over or you find an exploit and cheese your way through the zone.

                      So just right there proves that zone isn't realistic and it's almost unbeatable playing authentic basketball.

                      Now onto the offense: No, contested shots obviously don't go in as much as wide open ones. But, they still go in too much.
                      I get in trouble sometimes when I play because I pass up an open shot (in 2K's mind) and try to find a better one. Meanwhile my opponent comes down and shoots the same shot and hits it. In real life this would be a shot with a hand up in their face with no passes being made, any commentator would tell you this is a horrible, selfish shot. Therefore most-likely shouldn't and won't go in. But in 2K you can't run side to side, slightly lose the d for a split second, and jack a three with a good shooter and hit it...even if the d still gets a hand up.
                      So you're telling me you're okay with people cheesing like that? And we shouldn't press the devs to find a fix but instead find one ourselves? Come on man, you know that's bs.

                      And then on dunking, you get dunked on way too much, and too easily. People without posterizer do it just as much...but that's not a problem right?
                      They need to separate the dunk ratings: dunk on fastbreak and dunk in traffic. I don't know many guards that should have more than a 50 for dunk in traffic, that should be for mainly big-men and big time dunkers.

                      Stop defending the way cheesers play and coming at people who legitimately want to improve and make the gameplay better. Chances are you're either trying to be a *you know* or you're a cheeser yourself to adamantly defend such a crappy style of play, knowing damn well yourself there's no legitimate strategy to beat that style.
                      I don't wanna be Jordan, I don't wanna be Bird or Isiah, I don't wanna be any of those guys.
                      I want to look in the mirror and say I did it my way.

                      -Allen Iverson

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                      • Pokes404
                        MVP
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 1720

                        #12
                        Re: Just want to remind everyone

                        Sorry, I was having fun playing offline, against friends, and in private team up games. Glad you stopped by to remind me that it's my fault that people hit a few too many 3's with the Knicks because I buy the game and enjoy it.

                        These games will never 100% accurately replicate basketball. They just won't. Yes, I want the devs to strive for that, to get it as close as possible, but it just isn't going to happen. The important thing is that the spirit of the game, the essence of it, is captured. When you play offline, or against people that want to play sim ball, the game plays well. No, it's not perfect ... but it produces a pretty accurate representation of basketball. On the other hand, if you play someone who wants to try to break the game and use cheese/exploits/cheap tactics just to try to win, well, they'll find a way. It's a game, and people will always find ways to abuse something to gain an edge.

                        Sounds like you just need to stop playing online. Or, play online, friend anyone you encounter who plays sim ball, and then just start playing private head-to-head/team-up games with them. Your blood pressure will thank you.

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                        • dukebeatsuncagain
                          Banned
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 680

                          #13
                          Re: Just want to remind everyone

                          Cool story bro. Trade the game in and don't buy it next year.

                          Honestly nobody cares.

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                          • GradyMac
                            Rookie
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 421

                            #14
                            Re: Just want to remind everyone

                            Yeah, save your money next year.

                            There will always be people that take advantage of the exploits. For the same reason there are major changes to the federal tax code every year. Someone figures out a way to game the system.

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                            • Harden26
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2014
                              • 113

                              #15
                              Re: Just want to remind everyone

                              I win 95% of my games and i do it without cheesing. I am really good at this game. That's how. Those of you saying cheesing doesn't win, especially on-line are just liars. **** cheesers, they are a bitch to deal with. Just play the game normal and may the better man win. I will blow your *** out. The 5% of the time i do lose is because i tried a new team while someone cheeses with an elite team. Sure, i can try to beat his ***, but its no longer fun. It stops becoming a video game that i enjoy and it becomes a pain it the *** and feels like work. And for what, 250 measly vc? I cant see my on-line record that wont even be seen ever again by anyone in a few months. When someone keeps cheesing and you're stuck with the wizards against a top 3 team just quit. Who cares about the loss. **** them.

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