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  • VDusen04
    Hall Of Fame
    • Aug 2003
    • 13031

    #16
    Re: Pros and cons of 2k's rise to basketball dominance

    Originally posted by Mrleaderboards
    They are in their own little world and dont see the war thats going on outside. They play mostly offline with their friends. They don't know about being elite. they dont care for leaderboards. They don't care because they're comfortable being AVERAGE.

    If you're like me Being average is not an option.
    Originally posted by Mrleaderboards
    That's the equivalent of telling Lebron to go play for the love of the game. I doubt anybody with a bone of competitive spirit would want to just play for personal glory. In this day and age, these players play for titles, rings, championships. Why would we be any different? I can't speak for anyone else, but if you're not playing to be recognized for your skills in the game, then what are you here for?

    There are no friends or people who will play nice or play fair or not cheese you to death. You adjust to your opponent and learn from experience and then use those learned strategies and dominate the competition.


    Are we still talking about video games?

    Directly on topic, one of my perceived pros of 2K's rise to basketball dominance has been knowing they're alive and thriving. As a 2K fan since 2K2, I often wondered if they'd suffer the same fate as other 2K games through the years (NHL 2K, NFL 2K, NCAA 2K). NBA 2K seemed to make the game of what I viewed to be the highest quality but I wondered for a while if the established popularity of NBA Live would be enough to slowly smother out the high level of realism and simulation from 2K.

    I also know virtually nothing about 2K's funding intake and distribution, but I imagine their success has allowed them to dip into extra-curricular content that furthers the simulation experience. For instance, I'm wondering if NBA 2K in its mid-2000's form would have had the ability and resources to develop classic teams and sign their biggest stars. That's been a huge benefit. On the flip side, I tend to favor the fresh and original soundtracks of years past, and it seems 2K's popularity has allowed for more popular songs so personally, I guess the uptick in sales has also been a selfish bummer in some respects too.

    Moreover, 2K's basketball dominance, partly by their game-making abilities and partly by Live's completely and suddenly inept game-making abilities, seems to have drawn all basketball game fans into a single market. As a result, once again selfishly, at times I've felt 2K has veered from why I preferred their product 13 years ago (steadfast commitment to simulation, realism, and authenticity). I understand why 2K made moves to to cater all audiences, but for a moment it seemed they almost forgot about their original base. The information released thus far for 2K15 seems suggest they're getting back on track.
    Last edited by VDusen04; 09-02-2014, 11:58 AM.

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    • stillfeelme
      MVP
      • Aug 2010
      • 2407

      #17
      Re: Pros and cons of 2k's rise to basketball dominance

      Originally posted by Mrleaderboards
      ......
      Big ups to OG,Czar, Bed and Leftos, but i dont feel like they will make much of a difference in the approach that 2k makes, because lets be honest, 2k was selling games before them, and they will keep making basketball games with out them. Although the hope is being that they're from OUR community, we'd like to think that they have us in mind, when the big meetings are going on as far was what adjustments can improve 2k, and let them be our voices in said meetings.
      I can only laugh at this man. Are you serious? I don't sense sarcasm in your posts. Like I said 2K made a huge investment towards the Sim community which is a Pro to me. The computing power is better the basketball #Simnation talent is getting better to take advantage of what these systems can do, better AI. You make two choices arcade or Simnation basketball. To me they chose to go deeper on the sim side.

      You think they bring in one of the better Roster makers for the community to sit and do what?

      Leftos impact appears to be felt this year as that MyLeague feature has his imprint all over it. This is the Association that pretty much everyone wanted maybe online with the same function but still. He posted up and down in that thread. I think you just don't see it if they are not spelling it out to you. He actually made a tool I used to use to transfer roster files before his gig at 2K.

      Czar and OG know their ish. I always thought Czar was a consultant anyway.

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      • Toaster
        Rookie
        • Sep 2002
        • 382

        #18
        Re: Pros and cons of 2k's rise to basketball dominance

        Originally posted by Mrleaderboards
        i dont wanna throw bs numbers around, but put it this way, Im sure out of everyone whose ever played 2k games, that a huge percentage of the gamers arent that good. The huge majority of folks come online and "play for fun". I dont knock these folks. They're kinda like civilians. They are in their own little world and dont see the war thats going on outside. They play mostly offline with their friends. They don't know about being elite. they dont care for leaderboards. They don't care because they're comfortable being AVERAGE.
        If you're like me Being average is not an option.
        You do realize you are talking about a game?

        I mean, listen, we're talking about a game, not real life, not real life, not real life, we talking about a game. Not real life. Not, not ... Not real life that I go out there and die for and live every day like it's my last. Not real life, but we're talking about a game, man. I mean, how silly is that? ... And we talking about a game.

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        • 23
          yellow
          • Sep 2002
          • 66469

          #19
          Re: Pros and cons of 2k's rise to basketball dominance

          Originally posted by Mrleaderboards
          Cons:No more 2k games for $19.99
          Virtual Currency
          They were so good at what they did, the competition just didnt show up.
          No more grassroots connection with the community
          The soundtrack went from underground to mainstream music(Where is Dan The Automator?)
          Lobbies were removed
          Crews Mode in 2K14/The Park
          Operation Sports Starts closing threads and mentioning to ban people for mentioning crew mode, meanwhile, people can mention other modes like Summer league and the D-League, because they appeal to the masses.

          Pro:They Hired a few vets from OS

          Hopefully that one Pro will make a difference in the long run @ Stillfeelme
          Enough is enough

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          • RogerBlack
            Banned
            • Oct 2011
            • 215

            #20
            Re: Pros and cons of 2k's rise to basketball dominance

            Pros: 2K hired a few vets from OS.

            Cons: Without ANY real competition from EA (or anyone else), gamers don't get any substantial info on the new versions of the game until 2 weeks before it actually hits the store shelves.

            Also, any problems, or bugs, or 'legacy issues' that still remain from previous versions... might only be addressed in a 'patch' that drops 30 days or so AFTER it is released (IF it gets addressed at all, that is)... instead of being addressed beforehand.
            Last edited by RogerBlack; 09-02-2014, 03:40 PM.

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            • ClevelandinDistress
              Pro
              • Mar 2011
              • 547

              #21
              Re: Pros and cons of 2k's rise to basketball dominance

              Originally posted by ya boy hollywud
              The con is the game is drastically gone down in quality over the past few years with 2K14 next-gen being a terrible game.
              Terrible? Hardly. I don't know what aspect was horrible to you but it certainly couldn't have been the gameplay.
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              • thedream2k13
                MVP
                • Jan 2013
                • 1507

                #22
                Re: Pros and cons of 2k's rise to basketball dominance

                Originally posted by ya boy hollywud
                The con is the game is drastically gone down in quality over the past few years with 2K14 next-gen being a terrible game.
                nextgen has some of the best gameplay to date. Only real complaint is the VC and servers.
                #SIMNATION

                fighting for truth, justice and SIMULATION gameplay

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                • ClevelandinDistress
                  Pro
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 547

                  #23
                  Re: Pros and cons of 2k's rise to basketball dominance

                  Originally posted by ya boy hollywud
                  VC, terrible servers and lack of online association.
                  It's the first year on a new platform. What do you expect?
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                  • jmarcguy
                    MVP
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 1322

                    #24
                    Re: Pros and cons of 2k's rise to basketball dominance

                    I think they have competition this year judging from the Live Trailer.

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                    • Vni
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 14833

                      #25
                      Re: Pros and cons of 2k's rise to basketball dominance

                      Originally posted by thedream2k13
                      nextgen has some of the best gameplay to date. Only real complaint is the VC and servers.
                      Yeah but no. 2K14ng has probably the worst spacing and passing of the entire serie...

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                      • DaBoyBk
                        Rookie
                        • Jul 2005
                        • 139

                        #26
                        Re: Pros and cons of 2k's rise to basketball dominance

                        I think Online Lobbies with 3 or 4 different rank rooms would help.

                        Ex:

                        Rookie- For all beginnners with 0 gms-15 gms and a win% lower than 40% & dnf% over 20%

                        Allstar- For gamers with 15+ wins-25wins, win% over 50% and a dnf% lower than 15%

                        Hall of Fame- For the ultimate gamer with 26+ wins, win % over 70% & dnf% lower than 10%

                        Something implemented like this would make it fair to the Sim players community. It would waste less of peoples time & less players would quit games as it could potentially drop them to the lower ranking. Also adding in a feedback system that combines and divides the dnf% to help provide your feedback. It would take it back to playing fairly as they wouldn't want the negative feedback & other players to avoid matching up with them.

                        Previously we would be able to check your feedback and also the dnf% and etc. That would help to see this for players in the lobby to know who to avoid. As Sim gamers it sucks to enter a game and once it starts to end up playing a cheeser who does all the glitchy stuff or someone who plays all the way until 30 seconds left and they quit. They feel no pressure or face no penalties as everyone is still able to play everyone else. So they continue with their glitchy ways & so forth.

                        If I am ranked 300 in the Hall of Fame lobby & you are ranked 2000 if I win I shouldn't really move up anywhere but 1 spot but after playing multiple wins against those so low in rank. It would force those on the top to not prey on those lower ranked as it would be a waste of time & only a win with slight positives but also potentially a big drop in ranking in the case of losing such as from 300 to 500.

                        Online lobbies & the ability to play your opponents VIP & seeing their feedback & then agreeing to meet your opponent gave u an excitement factor of playing & preparing for the matchup. With these factors listed above and the +/- of facing certain opponents it is solely up to the gamers behind the controller to pick their opponents wisely.

                        Leaderboards 2K needs to follow the model of NCAA football. They have an ELO rating system. In this system the ranking is different because skill is accounted for and not the number of games one plays. Each player has a rating, which is a number. A higher number indicates a better player, based on results against other rated players. The winner of a contest between two players gains a certain number of points in his or her rating and the losing player loses the same amount.
                        Last edited by DaBoyBk; 09-03-2014, 01:25 AM.
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                        • ClevelandinDistress
                          Pro
                          • Mar 2011
                          • 547

                          #27
                          Re: Pros and cons of 2k's rise to basketball dominance

                          Originally posted by Vni
                          Yeah but no. 2K14ng has probably the worst spacing and passing of the entire serie...
                          Spacing is tight but with the manual bounce pass it easily becomes the best passing game in the series. The quickness and speed of the bounce passes are perfect and allow you to perfectly run a fast break.

                          There's also a big difference in the amount of animations for passes. In past 2ks you would see the stupid overhead pass on every single play. This year there's one hand shovels, scoops and bounce passes. I've been playing since ESPN 2K4 so I'm not just making this up. The passing took a good step forward but the spacing needs to be improved.
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                          • Hassan Darkside
                            We Here
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 7561

                            #28
                            Re: Pros and cons of 2k's rise to basketball dominance

                            Originally posted by jmarcguy
                            I think they have competition this year judging from the Live Trailer.
                            We still judge the quality of games from trailers? Yikes.

                            I will say the biggest Pro to 2k's rise to basketball dominance is what they've been able to do with their staff. There's so many community guys and familiar faces-er-usernames on the team it gives me nothing but hope for the game. It seems to be an unconventional approach to games/development, sports games in particular, and I don't think 2k would have gone that route if they weren't at the top.

                            It started with just mix makers like MomentousCeltic from here and LD2k from ClubLakers, then eventually branched out to guys they've added to the dev teams and gameplay teams. And I'm especially glad they've added a guy to represent the PC community as I felt that out of all people who game, PC modders understand the ins and outs of the game the best but got listened to the least. As a former NLSC member and PC gamer, it was something begged of EA when Live was the only PC offering.
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                            • WaddupCouzin
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 2366

                              #29
                              Re: Pros and cons of 2k's rise to basketball dominance

                              Pro: The purely absurd numbers they sell for a basketball game. I remember when only football games generated these type of numbers. What they've done is absolutely amazing. They've turned a basketball game into a AAA Title.

                              Con: I think they have to address their online issues. I don't play online as much, but it's still their weak spot.
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                              • midwestking100
                                MVP
                                • May 2012
                                • 1561

                                #30
                                Re: Pros and cons of 2k's rise to basketball dominance

                                Pros: Classic teams, 2k hired vets off OS, MyLeague

                                Cons: VC, online servers, sliding/spacing issues

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