Official "Bring Back Halftime Show" Thread

[Cripterion]

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Name a sports game that is as deep as 2K15?

MLB and FIFA are as good as representing the respective sports as 2K does, your comment about them being years ahead makes no sense, how can you even compare?

And don't play Madden or NHL but I'm pretty sure during the years some of those must have had good titles too.

[Mr.Smif]

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MLB and FIFA are as good as representing the respective sports as 2K does, your comment about them being years ahead makes no sense, how can you even compare?

And don't play Madden or NHL but I'm pretty sure during the years some of those must have had good titles too.

MLB and FIFA are essentially the same games as last gen with updated graphics that are not even on par with next gen 2K player models and what about their game mode? I dont play FIFA but I seen the comments around the web and hardcore FIFA fans say that FIFA15 is not that realistic.

[Cripterion]

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MLB and FIFA are essentially the same games as last gen with updated graphics that are not even on par with next gen 2K player models and what about their game mode? The same as last gen.

Ok last reply cause this is going off topic but you're delusional if you think 2K is years ahead of every sports game. You even play other sports games to make those claims?
How can the models be as detailed in FIFA when you have 22 players vs 10. Plus there's a lot more sideline characters, crowd, I mean c'mon man.

Oh and a sport game doesn't need new game mode each year to be good.

[Junior Moe]

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For the time and effort 2K had to have poured into the Greatest Mode, I was pretty surprised how disposable a lot of its aspects were treated. The commentary was specific to the matchups, so I understand that not crossing over. But not finding a way to carry over the era-specific rules or courts or even just the era filters by themselves really seemed to lock 2K's work in that regard neatly inside of its own time capsule.

Man I absolutely LOVED that aspect of 2k12. The era specific filters just add so much to the experience. I never understood why 2k just let it go like that. NBA 2K is such a great game in my mind, that it's no longer an NBA videogame, it's a basketball experience. I still have dreams of being able to start up an 80's/90's MyLeague with the era specific presentation and just rewrite NBA history. Or playing MYGM/MyLeague and being able to play the draft combine and summer circuit. Then being able to play in, and call players up from the NBDL or sign them from a simultaneously running Euroleague. Even have NBA scrubs/free agents sign deals to play abroad after not receiving an offer. Or I could play MYCareer mode and live out the NBA life with my own mug in the game! If I'm bored with all of that I could jump online and live out my And 1 streetball fantasy. There is literally something for everyone. In this regard I do think that I (unfairly) put unrealistic expectations on the product and team. But that's only because they have teased (and delivered) hoops nirvana for me so I cant help but to let my imagine run wild. As unfair as that is, I think 2K gets penalized a bit by us spoiled brats.

[lgxjames]

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Not sure how NBA2K doesn't deserve to be mentioned with their other titles in terms of realism, particularly the steps they've taken to pioneer player individuality, game customization, etc. And especially the things they've done with 2K15.

While NFL 2K's halftime show was revolutionary for its time, I'd argue what NBA2K'S has done from a programmatical standpoint with their halftime has gone beyond what was done in the past. You get real time commentary and appropriate highlights for game action. NBA Today games also distinguish between time of day the user is playing and will give audio commentary on games to be played, in progress, etc.

I think I remember a 2K DEV mentioning it's difficult to do "real" highlights because the game only loads what assets/resources it needs for the game being played. Doesn't make sense to have the game load all player data, signature packages, arenas, etc just to provide other team highlights during halftime. The way they do now allows more resources to be dedicated to the game being played. This is a guess of course im not a programmer. Perhaps in the future there's a way around this limitation but I don't see how anyone could question what 2K's done to push sports game presentation boundaries.

I could accept that if most of it wasn't done on older systems. I remember playing Joe Montana football...That game featured out of town highlights...I forgot if that was half time or just different breaks in the action.

Being a intermediate programmer I kinda feel like everything reasonably CAN be done if the correct systems (engines) are built. Now complete dynamic situations probably can't be done so easily but the ILLUSION of it being dynamic can.

Have each day have a "game of the night" on the calender and only load the data for that game (if memory is the issue) and feature highlights from that game only...perhaps as just a starting point then build on that "engine" until it can create the illusion of a dynamic "game-break" highlights.

[KyotoCarl]

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I would prefer Damon Bruce and the halftime show over some half-baked pregame show any day. Shaq and Ernie is cool but I would of preferred the whole crew.

The halftime show added immersion and a story about the game. It gave me a second to think about my halftime adjustments etc. The pregame stuff will get tiring really quickly. You can only watch the pregame stuff for so long before it gets old. 2k dropped the ball on that. Where is the user testing or QA?

Damon Bruce has been involved in allt of controversy over sexist statements he has given. He wouldn't be right to have him still in the game.

[GOGO head ray]

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This is going to be a huge blow to offline mygm modes specially if you slog through the full 82 game seasons. Having a halftime show is prehaps the most effective way to convey to the player what is going on in the rest of the league while he is playing his game; it provides immersion as well as letting us know how important the game we are playing actually is ( towards the end of the regular season).

It looks to be so far that we have no sports ticker showing other games occurring or that have already occurred; and we now have no halftime show. And this for what? to bring in a pregame show that so far doesn't look to convey any meaningful information on the game or the league your playing in yourself? In games I feel like I am in a pure information blackout which isn't very fun nor realistic.

[SPRINGS03]

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Just gonna reiterate, i don't see how this is a huuge deal. There are bigger aspects to worry about than a half time show. Hell if there's no halftime show but other gameplay problems are fixed, it really shouldn't matter. The half time show was just kind of a bonus thing to me. I mean it's nice, but I never thought it was a "gamebreaker" to not have it. Gameplay>everything.

[BMDinTDOT]

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After 2K14 was a year long glitched filled back bones demo with
horrible servers for next Gen the anticipation for 2K15 has got to be
huge...

And maybe 2K15 delivers but I feel like I'm already anticipating
2K16 more.

Presentation needs to be completely reconstructed to meet Next Gen
needs and technology. TNT or NBA TV presentation with respective
personalities. Keep Kevin Harlan and replace Kerr, Kellog and Doris
as shes an ESPN personality.

Also time to feature National Teams and expand on classic teams.
All-Star Weekend, D-League and Summer League need to be pumped
out.

[GOGO head ray]

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Just gonna reiterate, i don't see how this is a huuge deal. There are bigger aspects to worry about than a half time show. Hell if there's no halftime show but other gameplay problems are fixed, it really shouldn't matter. The half time show was just kind of a bonus thing to me. I mean it's nice, but I never thought it was a "gamebreaker" to not have it. Gameplay>everything.

Gameplay is the most important; however these are sim sports games and yes presentation does matter. This is even more-so when you are playing offline modes by yourself ( mygm; myleague). As I said earlier halftime shows are important as they help to convey more information about the game and the league happenings to the player giving them a sense of the league having a life of its own rather than playing a bunch of play-now games.

[Real2KInsider]

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.................There was a halftime show?


(Serious question)

[spankdatazz22]

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How much credit a company deserves may be in the eye of the beholder. However, specifically regarding the era-authentic presentation in 2K12, I can't really recall people not loving that detailed addition. Off the top:

http://www.pastapadre.com/2011/10/12/nba-2k12-hits-and-misses

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/876900-nba-2k12-nbas-greatest-mode-and-3-reasons-you-must-own-this-game

http://www.destructoid.com/going-old-school-with-the-nba-s-greatest-mode-in-nba-2k12-209791.phtml

http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/nba-2k12-hands-on-preview-going-retro-with-nbas-greatest/

Random line from the third link:


One of the reasons that presentation may be lost in time... 2K let it be. It was restricted to The Greatest Mode for 2K12 and that's the only time we ever saw it. For one reason or another, there was no option to utilize that presentation outside of the head-to-head classic matchups (which myself and anyone who played the mode tended to overwhelmingly love) and then by 2K13, the filters and authentic presentation had been completely erased from existence.

For the time and effort 2K had to have poured into the Greatest Mode, I was pretty surprised how disposable a lot of its aspects were treated. The commentary was specific to the matchups, so I understand that not crossing over. But not finding a way to carry over the era-specific rules or courts or even just the era filters by themselves really seemed to lock 2K's work in that regard neatly inside of its own time capsule.

While 2K12 was critically acclaimed, it was slammed on the boards. At least this one here for sure. That was also the year of the player's strike, the first year they tried to implement live ball, was 1st year in several where there was no competing product w/NBA Live, etc. I always felt 2K12 should've been beloved by the hardcore because of their focus on the Legends content but it seems many berated 2K more for what they didn't do than what they did. You even mention what may have been some of your frustration with the game above, and blame them instead of it being an oversight on their part. Of the games reputations, some of the more vocal here have spoken of 2K11 representing the series' highest point, and everything they did afterward as being 2K practically dropping off a cliff.

I remember Czar did an entire video series on how the gameplay had improved in 2K12 from 2K11 (or maybe it was the improvements to the playbooks - can't remember), but most don't hold 2K12 anywhere near the regard 2K11 was held. Even though 2K12 was seemingly made for the hardcore/old school player imo. Either way not trying to sidetrack, just wanted to point out it's rare that anyone looks at 2K12 as being held in much regard even though imo it's focus on Legends content should've appealed to the smaller hardcore audience than the larger more casual audience some of the hardcore frequently accuse 2K of focusing on more.

[Da-Man]

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This whole halftime debacle reminds me of the time when Madden had the extra point show for 2 years and just took it out without improving it. I can only hope that the 2k halftime report doesn't go down that same road.

[VDusen04]

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While 2K12 was critically acclaimed, it was slammed on the boards. At least this one here for sure. That was also the year of the player's strike, the first year they tried to implement live ball, was 1st year in several where there was no competing product w/NBA Live, etc. I always felt 2K12 should've been beloved by the hardcore because of their focus on the Legends content but it seems many berated 2K more for what they didn't do than what they did. You even mention what may have been some of your frustration with the game above, and blame them instead of it being an oversight on their part. Of the games reputations, some of the more vocal here have spoken of 2K11 representing the series' highest point, and everything they did afterward as being 2K practically dropping off a cliff.

I remember Czar did an entire video series on how the gameplay had improved in 2K12 from 2K11 (or maybe it was the improvements to the playbooks - can't remember), but most don't hold 2K12 anywhere near the regard 2K11 was held. Even though 2K12 was seemingly made for the hardcore/old school player imo. Either way not trying to sidetrack, just wanted to point out it's rare that anyone looks at 2K12 as being held in much regard even though imo it's focus on Legends content should've appealed to the smaller hardcore audience than the larger more casual audience some of the hardcore frequently accuse 2K of focusing on more.

Man, my response was only addressing the response to the era-specific presentation. You took things in a weird direction here and I am uncertain what you are going for. People who love classic teams and idolized players of yesteryear absolutely loved the Greatest Mode implementation. Our responses were very similar to the links posted. The authentic rules, the 1960's scorers table, the mustaches, the set shots, the stanchions, it was a blast.

I'd be very curious to see how or where you recall fans of the classic NBA widely disparaging that aspect of the game in 2K12. The only thing that comes to mind is the manner with which 2K locked player editing (replacing generic players) until the release of the Legends Showcase. That was not neat, having an authentic 90's Lakers squad with all this great presentation, only for David Jones to check in automatically at point guard each game instead of Nick Van Exel.

You seem very concerned with being a fan of the series and always giving 2K the benefit of the doubt. There is nothing wrong with feeling that way, but others are not always of the same ilk. If 2K abandoned all their era-specific presentation merely as an oversight, as opposed to plotting an evil plan to blow up their own addition from the inside, it makes little difference to me. Either way, I felt a great addition (that likely took somebody a lot of time to implement) could have had a longer or more diversified lifespan. And since that lifespan was so limited, it more readily gets lost in time. People remember it fondly, but like a distant memory, for it was in one mode for just a limited time.

Moreover, just because I loved the classic portions of 2K12 (it's been my 2K of choice this past year largely in part due to its classic depth, lack of Jay-Z, VC, and autosave) does not mean elbow blocks and transporting recovery defense did not exist and was not an issue. It was a fun game, but I feel it would have been shortsighted to only say, "Love it! Classics! Yes! Not perfect but I know you're trying so no complaints!" Instead, again, it's possible to really enjoy a game but still actively participate in threads about how maybe Isiah Thomas shouldn't be blocking Terry Cummings with his stomach so much.

[midwestking100]

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Also time to feature National Teams and expand on classic teams.

We have a thread on here in regard to expanding classic teams : Running List of Classic Teams That Could Be Added Featuring Players Already In Game and we could really use your help. We are really trying to apply external pressure for 2k to add more classics for NBA 2k16.