Defensive Help, Tips

[zrtelford]

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so I must just suck. seriously. these tips did help a lot. putting hands up helped a lot. however I just played the suns, and they shot 59% I about threw my controller through the tv. 15years ago I would have lol. they were driving on me like mad. and offensive rebounds like mad.

[manu1433]

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so I must just suck. seriously. these tips did help a lot. putting hands up helped a lot. however I just played the suns, and they shot 59% I about threw my controller through the tv. 15years ago I would have lol. they were driving on me like mad. and offensive rebounds like mad.

feathering the stick doesn't seem to help me much at all

i just end up with players like JJ Hickson doing this


Players like Javele Mcgee doing this


Monta Ellis doing this



Want to stop CPU from driving?....well too bad....notice the screen shots....nate robinson goes from a dead stop inside the free throw to line to just knocking over my player for two points....every time CPU does a spin move my players seem to fall down as well






quite simply put, there are no amount of tips that can keep some of these shots from going in

[smush]

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Good looking out fam, now what about the P.O.E. i put it on Manual and still changes, help D is a lil slow or its just me?

So far this is what i been experiencing, when i play with teams that have players with good Help Def IQ i get a lot of help sometimes too much like, with the clippers if i have it on protect the paint i get Matt Barnes helping one pass away all the time so for them i have it ton Limit Perimeter Shots.

I still get great Help from one of my bigs or both if there in a 3 out 2 in, if its 4 out 1 in, then only one can help which makes it critical to not allow penetration too often.

When i play with the celtics even when i put in on protect the paint, my bigs never help fast enough so i have to switch to them to help, i seem to get help from Bradly or Rondo tho so i keep it on protect the paint.

As far as your P.O.E changing when you have it on manual. im not sure my never does that, On the main menu I went to options and features and changed all my settings to how i want them and it never went back.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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Sounds to me this a result of bad coding. The range of effectiveness isn't broad enough. It reminds me of EA Sports games and their ratings. Where as if a rating is below a certain number, the AI for that player just becomes totally dumb, but on the flip side, if you raise the number of a particular rating to like the high 90s, the AI of that player becomes god like.

So 2K simply needs to broaden the range of effectiveness. This is the NBA after all, everybody should at least ATTEMPT to rotate over on help defense, even the sorriest of defensive players. I don't care if it comes late, at least ATTEMPT to. My experiences have been is that they don't even attempt to. They just stand there flat footed, not paying attention to who have the ball or where the ball is even at.

What is funny though, the CPU team have no problem at all. It is the USER team teammates AI that are dumb on defense and when it comes to rebounding.

[jfsolo]

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I'm not being flip in saying this, but I would really like to see a full 12 minute quarter of one of gameplay development team guys playing the game on default SS/Sim and commenting at the same time so that they could give of us who are struggling on D, some in-game tips and insight on how to ameliorate the issues we're seeing.

Reading about people having success is one thing, but it would be great to see it.

[gswarrior]

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I have been really struggling as well, this thread has been helpful. The biggest thing that has helped me is switching to Broadcast camera from 2k, and stopped using L2 crouch *unless they have lost there dribble.

[darkknightrises]

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I'm not being flip in saying this, but I would really like to see a full 12 minute quarter of one of gameplay development team guys playing the game on default SS/Sim and commenting at the same time so that they could give of us who are struggling on D, some in-game tips and insight on how to ameliorate the issues we're seeing.

Reading about people having success is one thing, but it would be great to see it.

Yes I would love to see that to has to many d semed broken last year and while better this year I still don't find it that good.

[smush]

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I think def is really really solid this year. You cant just bulldoze into the paint with players when your inside def is good.

I just played someone online who was just tryin to bulldoze with westbrook and Durant and it went bad for him.

I ice'd all the ball handlers and forced them baseline since its much easier on help def if they go baseline since my wing and inside can help if needed without much penalty.

P.O.E was Limit Perimeter Shots, and set all bigs to GAP on off ball.

[darkknightrises]

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I think def is really really solid this year. You cant just bulldoze into the paint with players when your inside def is good.

I just played someone online who was just tryin to bulldoze with westbrook and Durant and it went bad for him?

I ice'd all the ball handlers and forced them baseline since its much easier on help def if they go baseline since my wing and inside can help if needed without much penalty.

P.O.E was Limit Perimeter Shots, and set all bigs to GAP on off ball.

So setting defensive settings to force baseline is better then force middle.

[smush]

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So setting defensive settings to force baseline is better then force middle.

Yes IMO thats also the way the bulls do it

[Vni]

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How do you change your stance to play ice defense this year ? I can't seem to be able to do it.

[smush]

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How do you change your stance to play ice defense this year ? I can't seem to be able to do it.

I just go to the side of the pick so they cant use it, seems to just go into the stance

[Vni]

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K I need some practice then.

Who would you force middle ? Like one dimensional spot up shooters ?

Edit. No that's kind of dumb. They're not supposed to run p'n'r in the first place. Like average ball handlers/finishers ?

[smush]

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K I need some practice then.

Who would you force middle ? Like one dimensional spot up shooters ?

Edit. No that's kind of dumb. They're not supposed to run p'n'r in the first place. Like average ball handlers/finishers ?

I never force to the middle, it seems to make players who are mediocre look good and good players great.

[Ankido]

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I don't want to sound like a Debbie downer but it's not just defense. It's also breaking through screens and getting to your position spot. It's really hard because there's too much traffic in the game. Honestly, the game must be played on good sliders in order to achieve balance. I just can't seem to move around without getting bumped out of position. IDK, maybe slower speed? What do you guys have speed set to?