I think PRIDE is ruining this game for some people

[SPRINGS03]

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I'm glad to see this discussion evolving. I knew there would be some hurt feelings, but understand what I was observing and where I'm coming from.

2k is supposed to be a very high level game. It's not--at the highest level--supposed to be pick up and play. There is nothing wrong with playing the game more casually. That's not a diss. Sometimes people are more casual just because they don't have the time. Casual/Expert is a scale a gradation, not blanket buzzwords used to make people feel bad about their approach to the game.

Kinda true, although i dunno if i consider 2k a very high level game, especially when compared to certain games like fighting games where you have to input commands perfectly within frames at times(usually 1/60 second long). I'd say it's more low to mid level, it does kind of lean more towards the casual end of the spectrum in general(although obviously it can be played at higher levels with different people) nothing wrong with that.

On a more related note, i'd have to say it's very possible to get "fair" games on super star. I've been playing on superstar with custom sliders for a while now. One thing i would say that helps that i do, to make more of a challenge. Is to try to mimic the players i use real life counter parts as much as possible, yeah i know that's not really a huge deal. BUT, i also mimic some of the negative habits they have as well. For example, i'm a big kobe fan, and with kobe i can dominate. But i won't allow myself to dunk often with him,especially not in traffic. Even though he can somehow still do crazy dunks in 2k14. And i will sometimes take contested, tough shots because he has a tendency to do that in real life. It makes for more interesting games, and can give you a fair challenge, if you find the game too easy.

I can play on HOF and consistently beat the computer, but i don't find it fun because of the boosted attributes,so i stick to superstar. Nothing wrong with that. Also, playing on a higher difficulty doesn't necessarily guarantee you're better, because i've beaten people that play on HOF all the time and i didn't find them that good. People shouldn't consider difficulty the end all be all of how good you are at the game.

[Sundown]

I think PRIDE is ruining this game for some people

I play on HOF/SIM with no slider tweaks and always have. Maybe that's why you aren't seeing it. Try that out and come back to me haha I have no problem losing because of real basketball events, but video game only events that effect real successful basketball decisions are unacceptable year after year. Such as shots changing just so the CPU can block it, or being ahead of the CPU on the break and putting your body between them and the basket only to have the CPU warp in front of you. That strategy on the fastbreak is a real basketball strategy that isn't effective because of cheese more often than not.

HOF is programmed to be cheese. It's literally just overpowering stat boosts that border on breaking the game's engine.

If you want realism or non-cheese, don't play HOF. Drop it to SS or All-Star (where it's much more sim). There's no internet badge for playing HOF, and you're voluntarily choosing to play a lesser game.

I realize I'm being inconsistent as I just complained about SS cheesiness, too. But as was at least tuned to be slightly fair and somewhat sim, so my complaints are in where it isn't. But the issues it has is basically a much more toned down version of those in HOF. HOF doesn't even pretend to be believable. Heh.

[Taer]

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A couple of thoughts to follow through here:

1. Basketball knowledge and I.Q. are gained over time; not necessarily in large chunks at a time. A person can learn over time in 15 minute snippets if they spread those snippets over years, that knowledge can add up.
2. Knowledge of a video game and I.Q are also gained over time; also not necessarily in large chunks at a time. A person can learn a game over time in a video game as well.
3. The difference with a sim-basketball video game such as 2k and other video games is that you can not learn it in 15 minute chunks. To really learn this game it is going to take full games and multiple games to learn it.

What bothers me more than anything else on criticism is those gamers who play with 6 minute quarters and they try to use that experience as the standard. Cutting the game's length in half is not playing the game in super-fast forward speed it is cutting all of the strategy, all the mechanics and all of the in-depth systems used by this game in half.

There is no way a person playing 6 minute quarters should be considering themselves qualified to critique the end-results on anything other than casual or Pro-level at best.

No disrespect intended to anyone because your experiences have value, just not the weight you desire or think they should if you are one of those using shorter-length games.

I like the game when I'm given the tools to be able to win, but in MyCareer playing with just a 73 ovr PF I'm expected to carry the team.

There simply are not enough tools to win in MyCareer.

I totally disagree, there may be less tools (no sliders) however most of the major systems and mechanics developed by Leftos, Da Czar, and the rosters compiled by Bedway(?) are all there. There are issues but those saying you are required to carry your team or those claiming the defense are dead directly contradict my experience

MyCareer is the most played mode in this game so it should be a part of the convo here, just on that fact alone, 2K should be striving to make its most played mode truly represented of what they desire the basketball game as intended to be.

Sorry for the wall of text.

[shegotgame]

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I am proudly on Pro level until I readjust to the game. I agree with the main points of the OP and I do not find this thread at all condescending.


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[tomzennsbruh]

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A couple of thoughts to follow through here:

1. Basketball knowledge and I.Q. are gained over time; not necessarily in large chunks at a time. A person can learn over time in 15 minute snippets if they spread those snippets over years, that knowledge can add up.
2. Knowledge of a video game and I.Q are also gained over time; also not necessarily in large chunks at a time. A person can learn a game over time in a video game as well.
3. The difference with a sim-basketball video game such as 2k and other video games is that you can not learn it in 15 minute chunks. To really learn this game it is going to take full games and multiple games to learn it.

What bothers me more than anything else on criticism is those gamers who play with 6 minute quarters and they try to use that experience as the standard. Cutting the game's length in half is not playing the game in super-fast forward speed it is cutting all of the strategy, all the mechanics and all of the in-depth systems used by this game in half.

There is no way a person playing 6 minute quarters should be considering themselves qualified to critique the end-results on anything other than casual or Pro-level at best.

No disrespect intended to anyone because your experiences have value, just not the weight you desire or think they should if you are one of those using shorter-length games.





I totally disagree, there may be less tools (no sliders) however most of the major systems and mechanics developed by Leftos, Da Czar, and the rosters compiled by Bedway(?) are all there. There are issues but those saying you are required to carry your team or those claiming the defense are dead directly contradict my experience

MyCareer is the most played mode in this game so it should be a part of the convo here, just on that fact alone, 2K should be striving to make its most played mode truly represented of what they desire the basketball game as intended to be.

Sorry for the wall of text.

In my opinion MyCareer doesn't give you nearly enough tools to compete on SS/Sim. And I'm not talking about sliders at all.

Unless you are a PG you cant call plays, adjust the set, or choose freelance or motion cuts etc. There also is no player or team scouting like in MyLeague or GM, no defensive settings, and you can't make subs or request a sub. A 73 ovr SG playing 40 mins and starting over and 81 ovr Lance Stephenson is not going to get the job done on SS/Sim.

Not everyone wants to be a point guard, but it almost seems like to compete on SS/Sim its essential.

[Taer]

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In my opinion MyCareer doesn't give you nearly enough tools to compete on SS/Sim. And I'm not talking about sliders at all.

Unless you are a PG you cant call plays, adjust the set, or choose freelance or motion cuts etc. There also is no player or team scouting like in MyLeague or GM, no defensive settings, and you can't make subs or request a sub. A 73 ovr SG playing 40 mins and starting over and 81 ovr Lance Stephenson is not going to get the job done on SS/Sim.

Not everyone wants to be a point guard, but it almost seems like to compete on SS/Sim its essential.

Perhaps MyCareer is not the mode for you. You are not playing a GM, an owner, a coach, or even a play-caller (unless you are PG) so, you are right, this mode does not have those tools. From what you are saying, a player-locked file in MyLeague with a created player of your own making inserted into the roster of your "chosen" team would hit your sweet-spot for wants and needs.

MyCareer at the very beginning is about overcoming those lower ovr numbers and succeeding despite having a lower ovr. I've had very realistic numbers as a 63 ovr, a 73 ovr on SS/Sim and the teams I've played on perform just fine. Playing primarily a SF but I've had other files of all positions started.

Trying to fit a mode into your personality might not work. We all, myself included have our specific needs in the game.

Nevertheless, perhaps going to another mode might bring much more enjoyment for you.

[Boilerbuzz]

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Yikes HA!

And for everyone else, I didn't just make this thread to call people out. I'll admit, I've seen some disgusting vids, that's not what this is about. This is about getting people to look themselves in the mirror, admit that there is a lot to learn in this game, and be honest about whether they've learned it.

Shot Releases for all of your teammates, spot up, on the move and at the line
Your Go-to plays for your top 6 scorers on your squad.
Your defensive adjustments for all of the basic matchup problems that the League provides.

If people want this game to reach the highest level of competition, they cannot be allowed to preach and show lazy autopilot gameplay. The problems in this game do not excuse this. I very much want to be a part of a community that helps 2k(and any basketball game for that matter) reach that level, but if you cry enough scrubby tears 2k will deliver Simulac instead of Simulation.

Wow. This has to be the best post ever, in my opinion. I must use this!

[tomzennsbruh]

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What I'm trying to say is, SS/Sim needs to be planned out. Thoughtfully. Making sure there aren't mismatches is one of them. Playing a 73 ovr 40 mins against elite teams is in no way good game planning. I do well controlling full teams on SS/Sim, just MyPlayer doesn't have any of that. All the teams I have played for on 2 different players have played exactly the same with the ball. Same motion. Same logic. The game has the different offensive sets there, I just wish it could be utilized more.

All this while taking under 20 shots a game, leading the team in scoring and rookies. Hornets were #2 seed in East before I signed, I came on led the team like I mentioned above, we dropped to the 6th seed come playoff time. Any games I simmed, I won.

I have a player lock MyLeague, I actually made a post about how it is a better single player career experience, but even though a lot of people don't like it, I do like the cut scenes and all that.

[JA Money14]

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What's tired is this "click" mentality that everyone has the same experience as the folks here. I have no problem winning on Allstar or SS genius. Like I said, winning or losing isn't my problem... Guess u missed that part. It's just that the cpu uses cheap tactics to keep games close. And yes I do have a life unlike some people here. Sorry, but I have a hard time believing that grown men who work and have kids, also have time to sit around for hours analyzing a game.

Again, very late on this, but I ran across this post in my skimthrough of the thread.

After he blatantly insulted us, I wouldn't even have dignified a response. That macho-man bs has no place here. I was fine with his disagreements until he said this. It's been reiterated many times, but people have to understand that perfect gameplay isn't possible and that you cannot honestly expect 2K to have perfected it out of the box. There is a reason we have so many great minds over on the slider page, to help each other achieve satisfactory results.

I have College 5 days a week, a loving woman at my home, bills to pay, work 4 days a week, friends to stay in touch with, ect. We ALL do. I'm sorry, I just couldn't keep quiet when I saw that "Sorry nerds i got real problems so i came here to tell you how much better I am than all of you huhuhuh" Ridiculous.

Great thread, I wanna see more videos! Probably will make my own!!

[bukktown]

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Wow. This has to be the best post ever, in my opinion. I must use this!

Yea that line was pure genius!

[redsox4evur]

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What's tired is this "click" mentality that everyone has the same experience as the folks here. I have no problem winning on Allstar or SS genius. Like I said, winning or losing isn't my problem... Guess u missed that part. It's just that the cpu uses cheap tactics to keep games close. And yes I do have a life unlike some people here. Sorry, but I have a hard time believing that grown men who work and have kids, also have time to sit around for hours analyzing a game.

Ok man. I have school 5 days a week and work like every other day. I still find time to make adjustments either in game or before a game starts. And if I don't make these adjustments I will look on here for a slider set and while doing hw, studying whatever I will some cpu v cpu games and see how this slider set works or ask the roster creator what their slider set is because they do all of this testing while creating rosters.

[The 24th Letter]

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Kinda true, although i dunno if i consider 2k a very high level game, especially when compared to certain games like fighting games where you have to input commands perfectly within frames at times(usually 1/60 second long). I'd say it's more low to mid level, it does kind of lean more towards the casual end of the spectrum in general(although obviously it can be played at higher levels with different people) nothing wrong with that..

It's funny you bring up fighting games, because losing to Mo & Born 1000 times in Street Fighter is what really gave birth to the mentality I have now...adaptation lol

On subject though, I think it depends on what you view as high level....I wouldn't say that it was true for all years....but this year does have a fair amount of strategy involved in it...including some stick skill...from the games I've played vs. humans I've been outskill a good bit of them...

Not that I haven't had losses to some guys with questionable tactics...just like I've had losses to spamming Zangiefs....haha

[seanhazz1]

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A couple of thoughts to follow through here:

1. Basketball knowledge and I.Q. are gained over time; not necessarily in large chunks at a time. A person can learn over time in 15 minute snippets if they spread those snippets over years, that knowledge can add up.
2. Knowledge of a video game and I.Q are also gained over time; also not necessarily in large chunks at a time. A person can learn a game over time in a video game as well.
3. The difference with a sim-basketball video game such as 2k and other video games is that you can not learn it in 15 minute chunks. To really learn this game it is going to take full games and multiple games to learn it.

What bothers me more than anything else on criticism is those gamers who play with 6 minute quarters and they try to use that experience as the standard. Cutting the game's length in half is not playing the game in super-fast forward speed it is cutting all of the strategy, all the mechanics and all of the in-depth systems used by this game in half.

There is no way a person playing 6 minute quarters should be considering themselves qualified to critique the end-results on anything other than casual or Pro-level at best.

No disrespect intended to anyone because your experiences have value, just not the weight you desire or think they should if you are one of those using shorter-length games.





I totally disagree, there may be less tools (no sliders) however most of the major systems and mechanics developed by Leftos, Da Czar, and the rosters compiled by Bedway(?) are all there. There are issues but those saying you are required to carry your team or those claiming the defense are dead directly contradict my experience

MyCareer is the most played mode in this game so it should be a part of the convo here, just on that fact alone, 2K should be striving to make its most played mode truly represented of what they desire the basketball game as intended to be.

Sorry for the wall of text.

I disagree with your gameplay length comment. No one learns at the same pace. What one person can get in 15 minutes another might take 15 days to learn. Same is true for game length.

I would say the team you use will determine the increase/decrease the time of your learning curve, More than quarter length, but with an almost unlimited amount of settings/preferences who can say which is the best for giving valid feedback.

Ex. If you play with the Spurs on SS the game's defense presents itself differently than if you play with the SIXERS ON SS. The Spurs play a disciplined Team D while the SIXERS play a chaotic D. Playing with the 76ers will help you play better D faster because of the inherent handicap the team offers and having to manipulate more of your out of position teammates to be successful, while the Spurs are easy mode. The same is true for offense.

[BBallcoach]

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I'll be honest. I believe most users here at OS, think they know hoops, but they don't. Their basketball IQ is very low. I've moved up to SS now working on MyGm sliders, and I know one thing, you have to have a high basketball IQ to play sim in this game, you have to know when and where to make adjustments.

Just reading some folks posts, I can tell they only know hoops from playing NBA 2k and in years past, that was good enough. But the way the CPU plays help defense alone and switches on the PnR show me this game has stepped up to being a real sim. And I can see why some users would have issues on defense because they don't know who should help and rotate over. I think a lot of the issues come from that.

And as someone who has success in this game because of my knowledge of the sport and not my stick skills, I can tell you, it's more valuable to know the sport with this years game and not how use all the dribble moves.

["The Veal"]

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I'm not really sure where to post this, and I don't wanna make a completely new thread for just a simple question. But where does one learn how to play 'Sim' style? I thought I play reasonable well and to my team's skillset, but I don't set plays mainly cause they cause me such problems, and I'm looking into not doing so many boneheaded things anymore. Was wondering if there was a section, or videos, or posts, detailing how to properly run plays and such?

Edit: Something to note, I'm currently playing on All-Star with Kayotic23's sliders.