I think PRIDE is ruining this game for some people

[The 24th Letter]

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I need this hoodie ASAP Born...PM me, lol

I know the game has it's issues...(Born himself has even posted in detail about them)so let me put that out there from the beginning....

but I agree with this post to the fullest. I'm seeing guys post about issues and spending more time fighting with the guys giving suggestions then trying to implement them. It baffles me that there are more full game\quarter videos from the guys having success then the guys experiencing constant issues. We realize you've been "playing since dreamcast"...most of us have (so please stop saying this)....but sometimes you just need a look from another angle. I know I did with NBA 2k12. I still don't like it to this day, but I can definitely say I took the time to learn it. Sometimes it's like that.

[Nevertheles109]

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Common, the game plays great on SS/Sim but it does has its faults, its not perfect. You know, like any other videogame. A bit of tuning never hurts (just a bit though, nothing major). However, I agree 100% about how the great teams play like it and the only way to stop is usually to either get lucky and score more than them or shut down their stars, which is how it should be. That's why even if I have to take tough losses sometimes I rather play at this level, it just feels so much more authentic.

Yes, I agree, it's not perfect. Nevertheless, the main point Im trying to make is it does not need to dumbed down. My main concern is that 2K will patch this game and ruin it due to the MOST of the invalid complaints.

I think it's funny that everyone around here cries SIM when the game is developing. Then when a SIM game is released no one knows how to adapt. SS/Sim on 2k15 is a great foundation for future iterations for authentic gameplay, that's all.

[2_headedmonster]

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So you are saying their is nothing wrong with the CPU putback tendency off of offensive rebounds? Your saying that AI teammates are using solid basketball fundamentals by boxing out rather than having me babysit them under the basket?

see my point exactly, a guy unaware of his own ignorance blaming the game.

what im saying is you dont know what that slider actually does because putback tendency is for putback dunks and tip ins. so to my knowledge that slider works perfectly. you would want to lower inside shot tendencies.

and as far as a.i teammates not boxing out, its entirely possible, but showing stats and screens would allow for a better assessment. what are your teammates rebounding and box out rating? did you have them set to front?

details work better than : "its broken"

[CBfromCU32]

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100000% AGREE! HOW CAN YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT CHEESE AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO CREATE AN OPEN SHOT?

I THINK THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS SOME PEOPLE REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE GAME OF BASKETBALL AND WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO GET POSITIVE RESULTS. YOU MAKE YOURSELF LOOK BAD PLAYING ARCADE STYLE. WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT

LEARN THE GAME FOLKS #SIMNATION #SUCKSTOSUCK

[cam21224]

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The general assumption you are making is that I am not using all the tools; I am. No tool in the world is going to help prevent shot clock cheese when curry is hitting turn around threes in my face. Or when there is a lose ball how all my AI teammates seem lost as to what to do. OR when I play 23 seconds of good D forcing a bad shot and david lee skies out of position to grab the board and get a easy two before I can even react. Heck there was even a time when ben maclomore came down with a rebound and the ball morphed out of his hand to draymond greens who then got a and-1. Please tell me whats the POE to prevent these things from happening?

Great players make unbelievable shots from time to time irl. Did you try lowering shot success sliders to prevent seeing it consistently?

There is already a finding in the forums by Van concerning CPU offensive rebounds, did you try using it?

Only thing you can't control is morphing, you can nerf just about every other complaint with sliders and more time with the game.

[dhdsfjh]

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True. To add with pride I think some people feel like they know what the CPU should do in most situations, and that's not the case either. I've been playing SS/sim and it's all about gameplan.

[Kese86]

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There's a difference between knowing how to play real basketball and knowing how to play a video game. For far too long now, the only way to be successful on NBA 2K against the CPU is to use video game skills, cheese, exploits, or whatever you want to call it. Higher difficulties should mean the CPU makes smarter decisions on offense/defense. It shouldn't result in unrealistic ball physics that result in every blocked shot/tipped pass finding it's way back into the CPU's hands, CPU reaching speeds the USER can never replicate on fastbreak offense/defense, USER players purposely leaving good rebounding position just so the CPU can get an offensive rebound, high FG% on shots at the end of the shot clock, almost automatic shots from the post by the CPU, the USER having to pause on fastbreaks so the CPU can catch up, and much more. If I make real basketball decisions that should result in successful offense/defense, I shouldn't be cheesed out of it by the CPU doing unrealistic things.

[CBfromCU32]

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There's a difference between knowing how to play real basketball and knowing how to play a video game. For far too long now, the only way to be successful on NBA 2K against the CPU is to use video game skills, cheese, exploits, or whatever you want to call it. Higher difficulties should mean the CPU makes smarter decisions on offense/defense. It shouldn't result in unrealistic ball physics that result in every blocked shot/tipped pass finding it's way back into the CPU's hands, CPU reaching speeds the USER can never replicate on fastbreak offense/defense, USER players purposely leaving good rebounding position just so the CPU can get an offensive rebound, high FG% on shots at the end of the shot clock, almost automatic shots from the post by the CPU, the USER having to pause on fastbreaks so the CPU can catch up, and much more. If I make real basketball decisions that should result in successful offense/defense, I shouldn't be cheesed out of it by the CPU doing unrealistic things.

I agree with what your saying. Im speaking on the guys I see posting videos complaining about the cpu but continue to jack up contested threes and try to use the same exploits they have been using for the past 5 years..

[reptilexcq]

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Some dude think they're good in online ranked game when it's hella laggy lol. A lot of times, it's hit and miss because you can't really time your shots. 2K continues its legacy of horrendous servers. I hope there is a demo for NBA LIVE so i can see if the game is any good. Then i will jump to a different game since 2K don't care about the online community because if they do...things like this should never have happened before the game released. This is well documented....dating back to previous iterations. You rarely get good experience like you do w/ NBA 2k7.

[Vni]

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There's a difference between knowing how to play real basketball and knowing how to play a video game. For far too long now, the only way to be successful on NBA 2K against the CPU is to use video game skills, cheese, exploits, or whatever you want to call it. Higher difficulties should mean the CPU makes smarter decisions on offense/defense. It shouldn't result in unrealistic ball physics that result in every blocked shot/tipped pass finding it's way back into the CPU's hands, CPU reaching speeds the USER can never replicate on fastbreak offense/defense, USER players purposely leaving good rebounding position just so the CPU can get an offensive rebound, high FG% on shots at the end of the shot clock, almost automatic shots from the post by the CPU, the USER having to pause on fastbreaks so the CPU can catch up, and much more. If I make real basketball decisions that should result in successful offense/defense, I shouldn't be cheesed out of it by the CPU doing unrealistic things.

Most of this can be fixed by lowering the difficulty. Most of the cheese goes away on All star sim.

Now the AI is what it is. The smartest the AI can be without getting boosts is all star sim. That's where it is at the moment. If you want to make it harder without the Ai getting boosts then you can still lower your sliders.

I'am expecting the AI to make a big jump for 2K16. Sure if you focus on all the things that are wrong and go in replay mode to review 10 times the ball morph through the hand you're not gonna enjoy yourself but the AI was never that good. What was frustrating to me previous years is seeing all theses legacy issues without knowing if they were ever gonna be taken care of. Now with the addition of czar, beds, OG I can finally sit and relax and everytime something bad happens I hear czar voice in my head... "It's a process fam " and I move on.

[aholbert32]

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There's a difference between knowing how to play real basketball and knowing how to play a video game. For far too long now, the only way to be successful on NBA 2K against the CPU is to use video game skills, cheese, exploits, or whatever you want to call it. Higher difficulties should mean the CPU makes smarter decisions on offense/defense. It shouldn't result in unrealistic ball physics that result in every blocked shot/tipped pass finding it's way back into the CPU's hands, CPU reaching speeds the USER can never replicate on fastbreak offense/defense, USER players purposely leaving good rebounding position just so the CPU can get an offensive rebound, high FG% on shots at the end of the shot clock, almost automatic shots from the post by the CPU, the USER having to pause on fastbreaks so the CPU can catch up, and much more. If I make real basketball decisions that should result in successful offense/defense, I shouldn't be cheesed out of it by the CPU doing unrealistic things.

I never see this and I'm playing on All Star with slider tweaks. Seriously. The stuff you are talking about never happens to me.

[Kese86]

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Most of this can be fixed by lowering the difficulty. Most of the cheese goes away on All star sim.

Now the AI is what it is. The smartest the AI can be without getting boosts is all star sim. That's where it is at the moment. If you want to make it harder without the Ai getting boosts then you can still lower your sliders.

I'am expecting the AI to make a big jump for 2K16. Sure if you focus on all the things that are wrong and go in replay mode to review 10 times the ball morph through the hand you're not gonna enjoy yourself but the AI was never that good. What was frustrating to me previous years is seeing all theses legacy issues without knowing if they were ever gonna be taken care of. Now with the addition of czar, beds, OG I can finally sit and relax and everytime something bad happens I hear czar voice in my head... "It's a process fam " and I move on.

Sliders should only be used to alter the speed of the game. In my opinion sliders were the worst thing to happen to sports game that are supposed to come as close as possible to real life. A person's slider sets are subjective. The game should be simulating real basketball out of the box with difficulty levels only changing smarter decision making and strategy of the CPU. If I run a floppy play on offense my off-ball screens should be just as effective getting shooters open as the CPU, but for years on 2K that has not been the case even when using the same team as the CPU because of cheese. We shouldn't need sliders to play more realistic in a game based on "real" basketball. If anything sliders should be in place to make the game more arcade like or alter speed as I said before.

[made in eu]

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A lot of taunting,a bit of arrogance and a lot of scolding (reading the OP i thought i was going to be spanked)in the thread...Wouldnt it be better if this thread was full of helpful advices given in a nice polite manner ?

Saying that, I personally accept to be called a "scrub" because Im actually one. I lose most of the times on superstar/sim. But one of my biggest issues with the game is how easy it is to zig zag and go for hyper dunks with players like Derozan. And screen plays seem a bit over powered (more evident with euroleague teams),had 14 dunks in a game using the same play,cant say it didnt disappoint me.

Also,illegal screens from the cpu are countless(again,this is more evident when playing with euro teams) I thought the update would fix this.

Finally,is the points in the paint issue. I hope if I improve my defense I would be able to deal with it....but watched a game between two cpu teams and the amount of PitP they scored against each other isnt an encouraging sign.

Offensive rebounding isnt an issue for me. It has to do with which team you are and who you playing against.

So yes, there are some issues that prevent me from fully enjoying the great work DaCzar did with the offensive ai,the depth of my league mode and other improvements.

[Kese86]

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I never see this and I'm playing on All Star with slider tweaks. Seriously. The stuff you are talking about never happens to me.

I play on HOF/SIM with no slider tweaks and always have. Maybe that's why you aren't seeing it. Try that out and come back to me haha I have no problem losing because of real basketball events, but video game only events that effect real successful basketball decisions are unacceptable year after year. Such as shots changing just so the CPU can block it, or being ahead of the CPU on the break and putting your body between them and the basket only to have the CPU warp in front of you. That strategy on the fastbreak is a real basketball strategy that isn't effective because of cheese more often than not.

[aholbert32]

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A lot of taunting,a bit of arrogance and a lot of scolding (reading the OP i thought i was going to be spanked)in the thread...Wouldnt it be better if this thread was full of helpful advices given in a nice polite manner ?

Saying that, I personally accept to be called a "scrub" because Im actually one. I lose most of the times on superstar/sim. But one of my biggest issues with the game is how easy it is to zig zag and go for hyper dunks with players like Derozan. And screen plays seem a bit over powered (more evident with euroleague teams),had 14 dunks in a game using the same play,cant say it didnt disappoint me.

Also,illegal screens from the cpu are countless(again,this is more evident when playing with euro teams) I thought the update would fix this.

Finally,is the points in the paint issue. I hope if I improve my defense I would be able to deal with it....but watched a game between two cpu teams and the amount of PitP they scored against each other isnt an encouraging sign.

Offensive rebounding isnt an issue for me. It has to do with which team you are and who you playing against.

So yes, there are some issues that prevent me from fully enjoying the great work DaCzar did with the offensive ai,the depth of my league mode and other improvements.

Every game has exploits. Its up to you to stop using them. If you see that zig zagging works, either increase the CPU's defensive sliders or stop zig zagging and play like a realistic basketball team would.

Derozan and others do too many hyper dunks....lower the dunking, vertical and dunks and traffic frequency.

Points in the paint are solved again by sliders. Lower the CPU's inside shot tendancy sliders and increase their mid range tendency sliders. If you have trouble keeping them out of the paint increase the defensive contact sliders and your onball defense sliders.

You probably should also avoid Superstar since its clear you have a number of issues with playing against the AI.