MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

[ronyell]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

I'd like to point out that nowhere in your opening post in this thread did you mention it was a custom roster issue and not a blanket issue with the regression altogether. I've been following along with this regression topic for weeks now and I didn't even know it had been narrowed down in scope to ONLY custom rosters. I have to assume many others are not aware of that either.

You might want to edit your opening post to note the fact that it is a CUSTOM roster issue and not a blanket issue with the mode altogether, if that in fact is the case. It might save you guys from copy/pasting your issues with regression over and over again to new guys who are just trying to help out or who are confused as to the point of of the thread.

As others have stated and as i have repeated;

INFLATED RATINGS TO START OFF MASK THE REGRESSION ISSUE WITH DEFAULT ROSTERS SO YOU ARE NOT SEEING THE ISSUE. CUSTOM ROSTER USERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO ENJOY THE SAME QUALITY OF REGRESSION & PROGRESSION THAT WE HAVE FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS & ITERATIONS OF 2K. IT WAS NOT AN ISSUE BEFORE & YOU DID NOT SEE THREADS ABOUT IN YEARS PRIOR SO YES.. SOMETHING MUST BE DIFFERENT THIS YEAR & THERE IS AN ISSUE.

It IS a blanket issue & not just an issue with custom rosters & draft classes it's just that it does not stand out as much with the default rosters. it's like buying a honda & a ferrari that both have "engine" problems (see what i did there lol). they both have the same issue but you're gonna notice it a lot less in the ferrari that has already been "beefed up" so to speak. (sorry best anaolgy i could come up with while at work).

If you are familiar with & are firmly used to the regression & progression that has been in previous installments of 2k's associations & MyLeagues... you WILL notice the issue IMMEDIATELY after year 1 with custom rosters or draft classes & in due time in your MyLeague with defaults as the amount of role players that get MPG dwindles down year after year.

if you never did pay much attention to those things before & are using a default roster, it will not impact you near as much & you won't see it as an issue. cut and dry. not discrediting anyone's opinions or right to express BUT this thread is for those who ARE experiencing the issue & for those who believe it to be an issue worthy enough to not be forgotten and warrants an acknowledgement.

[BigT34]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

As others have stated and as i have repeated



; it is not just an issue with custom rosters & draft classes it's just that it does not stand out as much with the default rosters. it's like buying a honda & a ferrari that both have "engine" problems (see what i did there lol). they both have the same issue but you're gonna notice it a lot less because in the ferrari. (sorry best anaolgy i could come up with while at work).

So, basically, we're in total agreement, and have been in total agreement this entire time?

[ronyell]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

So, basically, we're in total agreement, and have been in total agreement this entire time?

i have since revised my post. maybe we are kind sir but please read it in its entirety now that it has been revised.

[YogurtProducer]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

I have noticed in addition to regression, players leaving their teams to sign elsewhere is a big issue.. Also teams seem to let RFA's go alll the time (Davis and Lilliard always somehow get let go). The CPU has absolutely no agenda when it comes to building teams (the Hawks got Rondo Teague and Schoder, but let Millsap and Horford go, 3 of their best players at the 1) this kills the game almost as much as regression..

[redsox4evur]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

I have noticed in addition to regression, players leaving their teams to sign elsewhere is a big issue.. Also teams seem to let RFA's go alll the time (Davis and Lilliard always somehow get let go). The CPU has absolutely no agenda when it comes to building teams (the Hawks got Rondo Teague and Schoder, but let Millsap and Horford go, 3 of their best players at the 1) this kills the game almost as much as regression..

That you can change by editing player's loyalty and stuff.

[LorenzoDC]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

That you can change by editing player's loyalty and stuff.

Even more, there's a slider for how aggressive CPU teams will be in resigning their own players.

[redsox4evur]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Even more, there's a slider for how aggressive CPU teams will be in resigning their own players.

Yea forgot about that.

[frank70]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Yea forgot about that.

Actually rising that slider doesn't work that well. I have it at 85 and still the Pelicans let Anthony Davis (RFA) sign with the Nets. How realistic is that?

3 starting caliber players at one position is quite normal in myleague as well. Ruins the fun.

In my franchise the Hawks have Teague, Schröder and then signed Dragic (he can play the 2 i know, but still.....).

[BigT34]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Actually rising that slider doesn't work that well. I have it at 85 and still the Pelicans let Anthony Davis (RFA) sign with the Nets. How realistic is that?

3 starting caliber players at one position is quite normal in myleague as well. Ruins the fun.

In my franchise the Hawks have Teague, Schröder and then signed Dragic (he can play the 2 i know, but still.....).

I mean...the Suns signed Thomas after already having Bledsoe and Dragic on the roster...

How much did the Hawks pay Dragic? What other FAs were available? What kind of minutes are those three players getting?

Point is, it's not inconceivable.

[frank70]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

I mean...the Suns signed Thomas after already having Bledsoe and Dragic on the roster...

How much did the Hawks pay Dragic? What other FAs were available? What kind of minutes are those three players getting?

Point is, it's not inconceivable.

They are getting around 25 minutes each. Not ideal i would say. Especially when Milsapp left and they are very thin at PF and C.

The Pelicans not matching the Nets RFA-offer for Anthony Davis is a real bummer. How realistic is that?

[LorenzoDC]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Actually rising that slider doesn't work that well. I have it at 85 and still the Pelicans let Anthony Davis (RFA) sign with the Nets. How realistic is that?

3 starting caliber players at one position is quite normal in myleague as well. Ruins the fun.

In my franchise the Hawks have Teague, Schröder and then signed Dragic (he can play the 2 i know, but still.....).

I've had mine at 85 and haven't seen real problems with guys not getting signed. In fact, I just lowered it to 80 because the CPU is too aggressive in signing 29-30 year old good but not great guys to new 3-4 year deals.

Why is that a problem? Because the regression system is so jacked, those guys who were signed at overall 81 will become overall 77 in the first year of the new deal, and continue to drop 3-4 points a year. These guys could be getting $10 million annual deals that leave a big fat turd on the team and the team's cap.

These deals would not all be awful if the regression system were not jacked. The CPU is not making really irrational decisions on signing with the slider at 85, assuming the players are like real NBA players. But with this regression system, I got tired of editing bad CPU team contracts that were killing teams for multiple seasons, so now I'm trying to edge the slider back down a bit.

[bfbhxh]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

I agree as well and my decision on whether or not to purchase the game may hinge on whether this issue will be addressed.

[BigT34]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

They are getting around 25 minutes each. Not ideal i would say. Especially when Milsapp left and they are very thin at PF and C.

The Pelicans not matching the Nets RFA-offer for Anthony Davis is a real bummer. How realistic is that?

On the Suns, Thomas averages ~25 min/game and Dragic and Bledose are around 32mpg.

I agree there's absolutely no way in hell that the Pelicans wouldn't match Davis' deal. But it is a game and sometimes there will be glitches--it's a bummer for the playthrough but it doesn't sound like it's a common issue.

As far as guys getting signed at 28/29 and then tanking, that's actually not unrealistic. That happens A LOT.

This is a great article from FiveThirtyEight that talks about max deals: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...er-to-the-max/

You can see that there are a lot of guys who actually do start to decline around that age, and you actually will be overpaying a big contract for a guy who's essentially a role player.

Not saying that regression isn't bugged to some degree, but it's useful to remember that teams get stuck with terrible deals a lot. Just look at the Knicks--Amare is a shell of his former self and hardly worth his massive contract.

[LorenzoDC]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

On the Suns, Thomas averages ~25 min/game and Dragic and Bledose are around 32mpg.

I agree there's absolutely no way in hell that the Pelicans wouldn't match Davis' deal. But it is a game and sometimes there will be glitches--it's a bummer for the playthrough but it doesn't sound like it's a common issue.

As far as guys getting signed at 28/29 and then tanking, that's actually not unrealistic. That happens A LOT.

This is a great article from FiveThirtyEight that talks about max deals: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...er-to-the-max/

You can see that there are a lot of guys who actually do start to decline around that age, and you actually will be overpaying a big contract for a guy who's essentially a role player.

Not saying that regression isn't bugged to some degree, but it's useful to remember that teams get stuck with terrible deals a lot. Just look at the Knicks--Amare is a shell of his former self and hardly worth his massive contract.

Heh heh. Trust me, I'm Knicks fan, I get it.






I just happens too much in the system now and the curve down is too consistent and too steep, so there are virtually no useful players in the league, even as role players, 30 or over.

[BigT34]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Heh heh. Trust me, I'm Knicks fan, I get it.






I just happens too much in the system now and the curve down is too consistent and too steep, so there are virtually no useful players in the league, even as role players, 30 or over.

Right. Completely agree.

The league shouldn't be inundated with them, but they should be there. You should be able to find a Boris Diaw or a Paul Pierce in free agency.