MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

[BigT34]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

The easier way to fix the issue is just go back to the same regression model that they had on the PS3 and 360 versions on the game. So that way there is no issues if you use a custom roster or the 2K default roster.

I'm not sure that model was very realistic, either, but it would be more compatible with custom rosters.

I guess that's what I'm wondering--is this regression issue about realism for you guys, or about compatibility with custom rosters? Because I understood it to be about what's realistic, but maybe that's not what you guys mean, and that's why we've been having such a hard time finding any point of agreement?

[redsox4evur]

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I'm not sure that model was very realistic, either, but it would be more compatible with custom rosters.

I guess that's what I'm wondering--is this regression issue about realism for you guys, or about compatibility with custom rosters? Because I understood it to be about what's realistic, but maybe that's not what you guys mean, and that's why we've been having such a hard time finding any point of agreement?

For me personally both... and that model was good but not great. My gripe is that players lose big chunks from their best attributes every year and the age at which it is happening. Like a 27 year old shouldn't be losing 4 points to his 3 pt rating just because he hit the age of 27. Yes there % will probably go down. But it's not like the guy should fall off a cliff after one season. Most guys don't have a drastic decline unless there is an injury and a serious one. Like a torn ACL, blown achilles, tear a ligament in their shoulder, etc.

[CWSapp757]

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Enough with the dramatics.

Nobody "got you" to do anything. You chose to buy those products. You could have waited, you could have borrowed a copy from a friend or returned the game. You're an adult (presumably) and you're in control of how you spend your money.

There was plenty of topical discussion here. You guys decided to attack me for providing data and information that was relevant to the discussion and not previously presented. My posts were in accordance with the request of the initial post in the thread, they were topical, and they contained a great deal of useful information. And how did you guys respond?

If you want this conversation to stay on topic, you and your simworld buddies should back off with constantly trying to police what every single poster says in this thread. You guys do great work--I loved your X360 draft classes. But I fear you've let it go to your heads. Perhaps 2K hasn't responded because they don't think it's worthwhile to validate this constant attention seeking and self-aggrandizement?

Whoa there good sir. I feel like you are making hasty generalizations there by attacking a whole group of individuals. As wharton stated, personal attacks are indeed against the terms of services. I feel as if this topic may be making you a little angry. If that is the case that makes me sad and I truly hope that you are able to eliminate those feelings that you are experiencing.

I saw in some of your previous posts that you say things like "you" and "you guys". An example was when you stated that Lebron is regressing but "you don't want him to". Could you possibly provide more detail on who you are referring to because I have not heard anyone in this thread claim that Lebron is not regressing... right? Most of the guys I know in this thread would agree that Lebron is regressing. You know what they say about individuals that assume my friend

But that is neither here nor there. My main purpose for this post is to tell you that I also share some of the same frustration that you do sir. I just think that maybe if you read my previous post several pages back (not sure if you saw it sir) you might get a better understanding of where we are coming from. Have a marvelous day everyone!

[vtcrb]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

I'm not sure that model was very realistic, either, but it would be more compatible with custom rosters.

I guess that's what I'm wondering--is this regression issue about realism for you guys, or about compatibility with custom rosters? Because I understood it to be about what's realistic, but maybe that's not what you guys mean, and that's why we've been having such a hard time finding any point of agreement?

As stated Many times in the Thread. The REGRESSION is there which we can ALL agree.

These Results USING Jan. 29 2k Update. NO Tweaks except those stated below.

Nikola Vucevic

1st Test 85 Overall Rating- Made him 29yr old and Now he is 80 Overall after 1 season. After the 2nd Season he is an 76. No Changes in the Years Pro, Just the Age.

-85 Overall Rating- Left Everything the same as 2k. Year 1 he is 86 Overall. Year 2 he is a 88 Overall


THESE are the type of issues that are NOT working for ME. No sense in ONLY thing I changed was his Age.

Maybe this will make it clearer the type of issues I see whether it be 2k OR Custom Roster.

[joosegoose]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

A question to all: for those using the "reduce age" or "years pro" workarounds (I personally am trying out changing years pro), what sliders are you using? Particularly your injury sliders and progression/training sliders. I've tried raising injuries and progression while reducing training effects to attempt to counteract the reduced regression rate for veterans with increased league volatility, but the results have been...weird. Very curious to hear what everyone else has been doing/seeing.

Edit: Unrelated, but it's on my mind and the guys in this thread would be the ones to know. When are retired players removed from the roster? Should be immediately after you advance past the retirement screen, right? I've never really noticed/paid attention until just now when I noticed Tayshaun Prince still on my team after he retired. Everyone on the retirement list is still in the game.

4) 2K to basically develop a MyLeague/MyGM testing engine that's basically a monte carlo simulator, so that, say, 20,000 MyLeague playthroughs could be simmed and the data crunched to compare it to real data on actual player aging

One would hope they already have something in place like this to to test when they're initially making the game but I think it's clear that if they do, it's barely used. I would love if something like this was included for the end user though. Would really help roster/slider makers out.

I'm not sure that model was very realistic, either, but it would be more compatible with custom rosters.

I'd absolutely prefer the old model to what we have now, but if that's what they use for next year I don't think I'll be buying the game. It's 2015 and we have all sorts of data and advanced statistics readily available now--that model has been used for ages and it's time to put some serious effort into improving it.

At the minimum, I want was was advertised for this year's game; players to regress differently and uniquely. Some players will improve their shooting or post game while losing their athleticism and things will be great. It was implemented somewhat poorly this year so at the minimum I hope to see it done well for next year.

[Herky]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

So if I understand correctly, 2k's official roster updates don't see the regression issue like custom rosters do?

Is the best "fix" right now if you don't want to adjust the players age to just roll with 2k's rosters for now in MyLeague?

[redsox4evur]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

So if I understand correctly, 2k's official roster updates don't see the regression issue like custom rosters do?

Is the best "fix" right now if you don't want to adjust the players age to just roll with 2k's rosters for now in MyLeague?

You don't understand correctly. 2K's official roster updates do see the issue it's just not as huge of an issue. Because of the inflated ratings, the issue doesn't seem like an issue at all when it really is.

[madmax52277]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

We are looking into this the wrong way..most 28yrs old do not get fast, quicker, jump higher have more stamina develop special skills. they might develop IQ, shooting skills, passing ability, personallty veterans skills to help the team out. the older players have to train hard just to keep up with the league...so for the rosters makers you can't give low value on older players because if they are not training the right way they will regress.

[CWSapp757]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

I'm pretty sure everyone here agrees with you with your first statement dude. Not even trying to funny max but can you quote where anyone stated that players over the age of 28 should get faster, quicker, have a higher vertical and have more stamina?

[madmax52277]

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I'm pretty sure everyone here agrees with you with your first statement dude. Not even trying to funny max but can you quote where anyone stated that players over the age of 28 should get faster, quicker, have a higher vertical and have more stamina?

No matter what rosters you use, 28yrs old are going to loose some types of speed quickness each year, that's how 2k system is set up...that's all my frfriend.

[Dreece]

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No matter what rosters you use, 28yrs old are going to loose some types of speed quickness each year, that's how 2k system is set up...that's all my frfriend.

Its not just some tho...its A LOT and there no progression in the intelligence ratings(passing, def awr, consistency, etc) so the effects are magnified when playing multiple seasons.

[CWSapp757]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

My bad max. I think I misunderstood your post a bit.

[AdamJones113]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

I want the same issue fixed as you. I don't think regression is realistic, and for that reason, I provided information about what realistic regression might look like. We may disagree on the magnitude of the problem, but we both want it improved and fixed. I've said this repeatedly and it's been repeatedly ignored, so I'm not sure where the miscommunication is.

What I've done is several hours worth of work collecting data from real life as well as my current MyLeague playthrough, and sharing it on here so that people can use it for discussion. That you can't appreciate that reflects on you, not me.

In respect of moderators and getting the thread back on topic, some of my ideas to fix this issue for 2k16:

1) Multiple aging curves for players: early peak, normal, late bloomer as three basic examples. Ideally I'd like to see 20+ models. Most guys would follow the typical patterns, but you'd have the rare Korver or Ginobli type.

2) The ability to edit player aging curves, both for current players and in custom draft classes (and in MyLeague)

3) These curves are modified by factors such as personality badges (work ethic, all-time great, etc), coaching staff, player happiness, injuries, and maybe even the presence of, say, a teammate with the mentor badge.

4) 2K to basically develop a MyLeague/MyGM testing engine that's basically a monte carlo simulator, so that, say, 20,000 MyLeague playthroughs could be simmed and the data crunched to compare it to real data on actual player aging

Other thoughts?

Yeah actually I did explain it my post a few pages ago.

In regards to regression, MLB 2k had ratings for Peak Age Start and Peak Age End. I think wouldn't be a bad addition, or even making it an option with a correlated option to make it "2k Rating." That doesn't necessarily affect what ratings regress, but as everone seems to agree that itself needs an overhaul.

[madmax52277]

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Its not just some tho...its A LOT and there no progression in the intelligence ratings(passing, def awr, consistency, etc) so the effects are magnified when playing multiple seasons.

I understand everything you are saying, but like i said in the past about this..the in season training is the only thing to slow down the regressing. some younger players might develop faster but you need the older players to gain during the season then regress off season..it's like a plus minus subtract equal thing going on here..got me.

[madmax52277]

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My bad max. I think I misunderstood your post a bit.

No need...you put in hard work to edit your rosters, people understand the frustration.