Twitter Rage Reveals 2k Direction on Online Leagues

[Boilerbuzz]

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Huh?

https://twitter.com/2ksupport

You know what I'm saying. I'm saying there is no individual representing 2K support that directly interacts with people. The tweet in question DIRECTLY targeted guys that are not 2K support. That was the point.

And you're saying the SAME things I did earlier in the thread. I said the guys Tweets were immature...it's right here in the thread.

Never said you didn't.

My point is...when 2K is ignoring any mention of the servers, it's easy to see how some people get frustrated. It doesn't excuse their immature behavior, but I get it.

And I was saying that a no-response == ignoring is wrong. Especially when expecting a response from either an entity that never directly responds to anything (support) or from guys that have nothing to do with any of it (Czar, Ronnie, etc...)

Anyone who is actually paying attention knows that the servers are SLOW on the weekends...and that it's been happening for months.

OF COURSE they are slow. It's peak time. Why would anyone expect there not to be slow down. I've played WoW for 10 years. The BEST in the business. During peak times, there are server queue wait times of up to 20 minutes and you STILL get server lag. So what makes you think this game should be any different. As I said, the biggest crime is that the company is NOT respecting it's own popularity or is too cheap to by more hardware to support all the people playing their game.

This isn't about "oh...I got disconnected from a game ONCE 3 weeks ago". This is about a systematic problem that keeps popping up over and over.

Johnny will play the game M-F for hours without an issue. Then Saturday comes, and he has some awful experiences. His rant: "Servers are ALWAYS jacked!!!" No they are not. Are they jacked too much? For too many people, yes! Are they as jacked as people make them out to be? I don't believe that to be the case and THAT is the point I'm making.

People just need to take a deep breath. If the **** is THAT busted for you, stop playing. Then EVERYONE will be happy because the server traffic will be manageable. I mean, this is like crying about not being able to get into the best restaurant in town at dinner time. Go during lunch. Go BEFORE the rush. You won't starve.

[Boilerbuzz]

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My connection is also smooth, most of the time.

But there is an obvious slowdown any time I play on the weekends...and this has been for a few months now.

This. I think most people can say this. And they can say it about every online game even if that game has a different networking model. Peak times SUCK and the artifacts are in every game. They need MORE server capacity it's that simple. People that truly "always" have issues need to see what they can do about THEIR connection. There are quite a few discussions about router settings, btw...

[Real2KInsider]

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And I was saying that a no-response == ignoring is wrong. Especially when expecting a response from either an entity that never directly responds to anything (support) or from guys that have nothing to do with any of it (Czar, Ronnie, etc...)

The OP is a great example of what happens when a dev responds, which is why they often don't.

Follow someone on Twitter and some people start thinking it's a Reddit AMA.

[Jrocc23]

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The Park is literally Crew 2.0

No way, no how is Park is Crew 2.0. Seems like you're insinuating that it's an improvement. Crew was much better than The Park. Which is why a lot of people still is begging for it. And some even go all the way back to last gen just to play it lol.

But, I digress. I know Crew for some reason is a touchy subject around here and really lead to me being banned once before. But, I just wanted to say that.

[The 24th Letter]

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Its already been done by Da Czar and his SimNation movement. What surprises me about that is that its the same "tribe" of us that consistently support that. The moment someone wants some youtube views/subs they'll rock with us but guys don't do a complete 'show of force'. .

Definitely agree here. Seems like some folks just want to throw "sim" in there when they want to give credibility to their personal complaints.

People losing at the park or to randoms online, so obviously 2k forgot about the "sim community"

[amedawg00]

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After a very frustrating WEEKNIGHT of 2k server lag, fast forwards, and disconnects, that saw a grand total of 2 OL games completed out of 12 that were started, I heeded your advice for the petition 24th. I can tolerate and even accept 2k servers being trash at peak times on weekends, but to experience this on a Tuesday night is alarming if the trend continues. I don't know if the "my modes" were affected but OLs were largely unplayable last night.

Just wanted to pick your brain since you have some insight on petitions 24th. I am contemplating using the 2k football petition as a blueprint, where we state the mission statement, and gather signatures with an online form. Do you know of a more effective method for conveying our message or would this suffice? Below are the screen shots for reference. Thanks for your assistance in advance.





I am willing to go to the ends of the earth to just get basic admin features added to the mode, in addition to basic league configuration that includes game registration, conferences, standings, and stat tracking, in addition to stable OL servers. All of this are documented in the OL good, bad, ugly thread in the OP. We are not asking for much so long as the custom roster feature works as advertised, OL/OA heads are willing to do work arounds to manually implement a multi season online association. Ideally, the community yearns for myleague online for 2k16, but it's obvious that is a pipe dream, so we will set our sights lower and settle for basic freaking features that we know 2k is capable of implementing in OLs because they had them dating back the dreamcast era of OLs! As it stands, the custom roster feature and league creation works for some and glitches for others.

For example, last week, I had to create a lg for another OS member who desperately wanted to play with his friends in a lg format yet couldn't because of the OL lg creation glitch centered around the custom roster upload failure glitch. This brings me back to my original question of why 2k is using flawed data to justify neglecting the mode when a majority cannot even create an OL due to a glitch?

The mode is barebones and largely unplayable for those not willing to go the extra mile with manual game registration and stat tracking in its current state..that is a fact and has been accepted. But to prevent those willing to put up with a broken mode by preventing them from either creating a league in the first place and or dealing with crippling lag and game disconnects when they are lucky enough to create a league is highly disturbing.

Edit: this is an example of the daily messages I recieve from users who cannot even create leagues through no fault of their own. Mind you 2k limits the amount of leagues to 3 maximum so there is only so many I can help. What makes me so so special that 2k allows me to create leagues and prevent others through a glitch. This issue has got to be addressed on GP and out of basic fairness to the OL community.

[The 24th Letter]

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Good stuff amedawg!

Be on the look out for a PM when you get a chance.

[amedawg00]

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Good stuff amedawg!

Be on the look out for a PM when you get a chance.

Got your PM and replied 24th. Let's keep the conversation going in PM. Thanks again for your consultation on this matter.

[Coach2K]

Twitter Rage Reveals 2k Direction on Online Leagues

I read most of the stuff here. I feel I'm the biggest hard core league player there is in this community. So much so that we run our league and track it by hand.

In league play alone I've played over 100, 12 min quarter games this season and countless other 12 min quarter games outside of league play. This has been by far the best season our league has had. I've played all but two teams in the NBA and almost all of them I've played four times.

As far as the servers go, I've played almost all these games with very few issues. Yeah I get disconnected on occasion but for the most part I get tons of game action in.

Every year there are periods of time where the servers act up like over the weekend and it's certainly no fun.

Sometimes though the user does have an Internet issue. Our commish does all he can to limit team owners to only those who have strong connections and that helps a ton. I go into every game knowing that there is a chance the connection may fail and to know I'll have to try again.

We do all our play outside the league setup in play with friends mode.

In the past the actual online league setup has really been unable to handle the administrative workload of resetting games and so on and files can get corrupted. Other things, like the playoffs haven't worked.

This mode could be awesome but the problem is more that people just don't play than the problems with the mode. Everybody gets gung ho about playing in a league but the problem is very few people stick it out - mainly because it's a bunch of strangers coming together who don't know each other and it's easy just to move on.

Too many things get in the way. Time commitments, intolerance, losing, not knowing how to get along with people to name a few.

Other than ameddawg00, since I've been playing, I can pretty much count on one hand the number of visible leagues I've seen on the platform that actually play.

Because of that, as much as I like league play, our numbers are insignificant in the bigger picture and can see why no time is devoted to developing that mode.


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[amedawg00]

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I read most of the stuff here. I feel I'm the biggest hard core league player there is in this community. So much so that we run our league and track it by hand.

In league play alone I've played over 100, 12 min quarter games this season and countless other 12 min quarter games outside of league play. This has been by far the best season our league has had. I've played all but two teams in the NBA and almost all of them I've played four times.

As far as the servers go, I've played almost all these games with very few issues. Yeah I get disconnected on occasion but for the most part I get tons of game action in.

Every year there are periods of time where the servers act up like over the weekend and it's certainly no fun.

Sometimes though the user does have an Internet issue. Our commish does all he can to limit team owners to only those who have strong connections and that helps a ton. I go into every game knowing that there is a chance the connection may fail and to know I'll have to try again.

We do all our play outside the league setup in play with friends mode.

In the past the actual online league setup has really been unable to handle the administrative workload of resetting games and so on and files can get corrupted. Other things, like the playoffs haven't worked.

This mode could be awesome but the problem is more that people just don't play than the problems with the mode. Everybody gets gung ho about playing in a league but the problem is very few people stick it out - mainly because it's a bunch of strangers coming together who don't know each other and it's easy just to move on.

Too many things get in the way. Time commitments, intolerance, losing, not knowing how to get along with people to name a few.

Other than ameddawg00, since I've been playing, I can pretty much count on one hand the number of visible leagues I've seen on the platform that actually play.

Because of that, as much as I like league play, our numbers are insignificant in the bigger picture and can see why no time is devoted to developing that mode.


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The key word is VISIBLE leagues coach. I am extremely dissapointed in your post since you are noted supporter of leagues. You can't make the deduction that leagues are being under-utilized by the community based on visible leagues in the OS fish bowl. I know of long running Turkish, Spanish, French, and countless other international 2k leagues with dedicated admins and public facing websites that make them VISIBLE outside of the OS fish bowl. I will prove the popularity of leagues with the petition that I am working on. OS is the not the only platform for OL visibility. There are countless other leagues like yours being tracked outside of the useless and broken OL platform that 2k has peddled since the inception of current gen.

As for the rampant disconnects and server lag, the latter occurs much more than the former. I weed out owners with suspect connects from my league as well. And yes for the most part, in 3 seasons of 82 gm, 12 min quarters seasons that we have run, the vast majority of the games have been lag and disco free. It is this recent phenomenon of server issues, particularly on Saturday and Sundays that has the OL community enraged. The fact that 2ks broken OL platform has driven your league into a strictly pen and paper league is disgraceful and intolerable, and yet it seems you have been beaten into submission and are resigned to accept the status quo instead of helping the community do something about it.

Tell me coach, is it 2ks broken and glitched filled platform that drove OLs into the asheap of 2k history, or is it the fact OL users don't get along, cannot take losses without quitting, or do not have the mental stamina to endure long seasons or whatever other excuse you are making for 2k for neglecting the OL community? Which came first? The chicken or the egg?

[Coach2K]

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I'm behind a better league platform. The reality is that TONS of leagues are started that never go anywhere and more people quit leagues than stick with them. Many more can't even play a complete game without quitting.

Even on this site, they changed the rules for posting about leagues because no one saw them through.

At its core this is a community problem. Far fewer people want to play against each other win or lose than do and that's why there's no backing by 2K.

2K is a business. It's not a charity. I haven't been beaten into submission. It's a numbers thing and we are a very small group.

No one wants a better arena than me. I just don't feel our numbers or actvity support developing what we want and that's why we don't have it.

Activity is what it's all about.



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[Real2KInsider]

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The key word is VISIBLE leagues coach. I am extremely dissapointed in your post since you are noted supporter of leagues.

Because he disagrees with your position?
This community cracks me up.

[loso_34]

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Its honestly quite disturbing to see some of you dudes flapping their 2k superstan cape so hard man...

act like 2k servers havent been trash for years now and blame the customers internet connection brehs

Trust mi boss.

And rashidis+boilers pretentious and condescending remarks are growing tiresome.

Boiler seems like a 2k agent here to control the crowd and rashidi thinks hes bigger than he is. Contacting the channels they have provided wont get us nowhere. 2k may be no charity but we all pay to receive a certain service . Year after year during promo runs we are given empty promises of functioning leagues or if we focus on this year the word customization was floated around.

Im down to help with the petition as i also have experience in that background. I dont understand how guys who dont work for 2k sit here all day blaming consumers.

[Real2KInsider]

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I dont understand how guys who dont work for 2k sit here all day blaming consumers.

I call things like I see them, and have been critical of 2K in the past. Some cats aren't interested in reasonable explanations or the truth, and would rather grind an axe.

and rashidi thinks hes bigger than he is

Only as big as you make me.

[thedream2k13]

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I'm behind a better league platform. The reality is that TONS of leagues are started that never go anywhere and more people quit leagues than stick with them. Many more can't even play a complete game without quitting.

Even on this site, they changed the rules for posting about leagues because no one saw them through.

At its core this is a community problem. Far fewer people want to play against each other win or lose than do and that's why there's no backing by 2K.

2K is a business. It's not a charity. I haven't been beaten into submission. It's a numbers thing and we are a very small group.

No one wants a better arena than me. I just don't feel our numbers or actvity support developing what we want and that's why we don't have it.

Activity is what it's all about.



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But you aren't even trying to use the current league platform? 2k once gave us a website on the OFFICIAL forum's which let us control management , post highlights and control duties as well as team gm responsibilities. What has happened since then? They took all of it away and gave us nothing until OA was established. Activity was very high and daily videos were uploaded from around the world. 2k wanted to separate the community with created player modes and its sad. The simulation aspect of the game is almost gone in favor of fantasy teams and created 7ft tall small forwards. People want to play with each other but now 2k wants to have the work "MY" in front of every mode which basically seperates the community even more. This killed the conjoined community we once had.
Official 2k forums became a cesspool and died while OS forum quality degraded as well.

The fix? Cry and spam complaimts om twitter and various forums like the crew people? Sit around idle and pray 2k cares? Or revolt and let them know that leagues aren't forgotten.

We would have been happy with the 2k14 last gen structure but that was killed away this year for the garbage we have now.

1. No conferences or divisions?
2. No team management ?
3. No awards or stat tracking ?
4. Lacking admin options?

What joker threw this together and called it a "league "??