WANTED to test out the online servers with my boy. instead we got something else...

[tetoleetd]

Re: WANTED to test out the online servers with my boy. instead we got something els

Mike said there is no comeback code or rubberband AI.

He did not say that momentum doesn't exist, given this is an established feature of the game that has been evolved over time. There is a difference between the game "cheating you" because of the score and the game not favoring you based on actions you took on the court.

Consistency ratings directly affect momentum. Here's the bum *** Knicks.

OFF/DEF CONSISTENCY
99/50 Melo (injured)
75/40 Bargnani
60/65 J.Smith
50/30 Galloway
50/30 Early
45/50 Aldrich
45/35 Hardaway Jr
40/40 Calderon
40/35 Shved
40/30 Wear
35/45 Amundson
30/35 Larkin
25/40 Acy
25/30 L.Thomas - didn't he blow that dunk?

The 98 Lakers squad
99/99 Shaq
85/85 E.Jones
70/65 Kobe
67/67 Horry
60/65 Campbell
40/65 Fisher
45/45 Barry
35/55 Blount

Oh man how ever did they lose? Clearly the game was cheating!

The idea of someone crying about losing with the Melo-less Knicks to a historic team is preposterous. They're the ****ing Knicks. This dude was taking contested jumpers at the end of the game with Langston Galloway against Kobe Bryant and then rage-quit when they didn't drop? Who cares?

TEAMS DON'T GENERATE MOMENTUM EQUALLY

lol you clearly dont get it bro. just give up.

yes the op's video was a horrible example of how this happens in the game. but guess what? it still happens. and no it doesnt just happen when two uneven teams face each other.

it happens when you're playing a game online and its spurs vs. warriors too. trust me, ive had it happen to me before many times.

and i would also debate that a player should not be missing dunks even if his consistency rating is 25.... dunking is dunking, it doesnt really have anything to do with consistency.

maybe you should actually do this thing called "listen" to all the people who say this stuff happens and maybe we can come up with some actual feedback on how to fix it or improve it, instead of you and others just sitting there with your nerd classes on saying its not true. go play 10 games online right now and i guarantee you will experience this at some point in those 10 games. like i said, it doesnt happen all the time but it does happen.

[BluFu]

Re: WANTED to test out the online servers with my boy. instead we got something els

maybe you should actually do this thing called "listen" to all the people who say this stuff happens and maybe we can come up with some actual feedback on how to fix it or improve it, instead of you and others just sitting there with your nerd classes on saying its not true.

Still waiting on that feedback...!

So when we say there is no rubber band AI were not saying there are not things that bring imbalance to the game. We are always trying to eradicate those instances. But that is not a coordinated attack against the user base.

It is just a part of making a game this size.

It is much more helpful to deal with the individual system that produced the error as you viewed it.

These are all absolutely bugs, not the game cheating on purpose. If you were to graph out every bug you see against time and score, I think you'd find that they're spread evenly across the game happening to both teams. It's just really easy to recall the bugs that contribute to a run and label it part of 2k's secret comeback code.

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The coin flipping post in particular is a good example of what many perceive as a manufactured run when shots aren't falling in your favor but the opponent can't seem to miss. Sometimes when you find yourself with a big lead, a fair amount of luck helped you get there, and a nice string of bad luck can take it away. Throw in a handful of ill-timed bugs and you have the ingredients for a full fledged conspiracy theory.

Believe me, if there was any hint of rubber band logic in 2k, it would have been expunged long ago... if for no other reason to prevent these threads from popping up every year.

Not sure what else you want. If you can't believe a gameplay developer and director, there's no other feedback you can possibly get.

[jenesaispas]

Re: WANTED to test out the online servers with my boy. instead we got something els

lol you clearly dont get it bro. just give up.

yes the op's video was a horrible example of how this happens in the game. but guess what? it still happens. and no it doesnt just happen when two uneven teams face each other.

it happens when you're playing a game online and its spurs vs. warriors too. trust me, ive had it happen to me before many times.

and i would also debate that a player should not be missing dunks even if his consistency rating is 25.... dunking is dunking, it doesnt really have anything to do with consistency.

maybe you should actually do this thing called "listen" to all the people who say this stuff happens and maybe we can come up with some actual feedback on how to fix it or improve it, instead of you and others just sitting there with your nerd classes on saying its not true. go play 10 games online right now and i guarantee you will experience this at some point in those 10 games. like i said, it doesnt happen all the time but it does happen.

there is no point in a back and forth with this rashidi guy. you'd swear he was on payroll

[Real2KInsider]

Re: WANTED to test out the online servers with my boy. instead we got something els

lol you clearly dont get it bro. just give up.

Given that I have a pretty solid grasp on the game's mechanics, how the ratings and badges interweave, I'm pretty sure I "get it".

it happens when you're playing a game online and its spurs vs. warriors too. trust me, ive had it happen to me before many times.

I would hope so, given that every team has consistency ratings. The system is a work in progress, but it is very clearly not "coding".

and i would also debate that a player should not be missing dunks even if his consistency rating is 25.... dunking is dunking, it doesnt really have anything to do with consistency.

If only the dunk were not heavily contested against a team that clearly had defensive momentum... Thomas' lack of generated momentum only exacerbates a poor attempt.

maybe you should actually do this thing called "listen" to all the people who say this stuff happens and maybe we can come up with some actual feedback on how to fix it or improve it, instead of you and others just sitting there with your nerd classes on saying its not true. go play 10 games online right now and i guarantee you will experience this at some point in those 10 games. like i said, it doesnt happen all the time but it does happen.

I have easily played more online NBA 2K over the past decade than you have. Rather than take my glasses off, perhaps you should step your game up and replace the earplugs with nerd glasses of your own. I know it's cool to be a tough guy while moaning like a ***** in heat but

LOL why am I bothering, I provided explanation & analysis on how momentum =/= coding and you're all "NO BUT LISTEN" like an infantile toddler. Momentum is not hidden code, it is a game factor that can be manipulated, deal with it. Manage your timeouts better, make plays with high-consistency players (with appropriate badges) that generate momentum..... or you could just keep losing, street cred > intelligence yo.

[jenesaispas]

Re: WANTED to test out the online servers with my boy. instead we got something els

and the dick measuring contest begins

[bcruise]

Re: WANTED to test out the online servers with my boy. instead we got something els

there is no point in a back and forth with this rashidi guy. you'd swear he was on payroll

That is seriously one of the most ill-informed posts I have read on this board in a long time. Rashidi's past spats with the 2k Insider (the guy who used to do the official rosters) are legendary, there's absolutely no way he's getting paid by 2k in any way.

[jenesaispas]

Re: WANTED to test out the online servers with my boy. instead we got something els

That is seriously one of the most ill-informed posts I have read on this board in a long time. Rashidi's past spats with the 2k Insider (the guy who used to do the official rosters) are legendary, there's absolutely no way he's getting paid by 2k in any way.

1) i didnt say he actually was paid by 2k. i said you'd swear he was. two totally different things

2) sensationalism is ridiculous

3) if this was the most ill-informed you've read on THIS board, then you are never on. but also, refer to number 2

[24ct]

Re: WANTED to test out the online servers with my boy. instead we got something els

By game code I don't mean 'come back code'

What I mean is if the game figures the computer is making a run, your player will do things like lose the ball with a 95 dribble rating and every crossover badge but you didn't even do a crossover or dribble into a crowd. Or your player will throw a pass completely out of bounds or to a player off of a pick with pick & roll maestro and the roller will not catch the pass or fumble it SOMEWAY SOMEHOW, no matter how close you are. I don't throw cross court passes 5 on 5 so these things are happening as I'm trying to hand the ball off. The guy will fumble or the CPU will warp threw my hand off and steal it. Like COME ON. This stuff ONLY happens when there is some type of momentum swing. I will clarify momentum swing in my next paragraph. This stuff is real. It does exist in the game. How else can they truly represent momentum in a basketball game?? If there was none every game would be won by 1 or 3 points, but that's not case. Some people are just bad at the game, true. But also what about the guys who break this game down and plays and etc? What if this stuff happened to Czar and he posted it, then would it be real? He apparently played the game the right way to the point he got a gig at 2k, so imagine if he noted all his momentum swings and pointed out the stuff that happens even when playing conservative or playing the same way that got him a lead...

I'm not saying that if you are winning the game has catch up logic. Never meant that. What I meant was exactly what I just said and what other people experience time after time. While on a run the computer will make shots based on whatever momentum code is in the game. Sometimes regardless of defense.

There has to be some momentum programming. I don't for one second buy the devs telling us there isn't because quite frankly they've lied to us plenty. I can go back and count posts where this happened because I've been on this board for a very long time and I've been playing 2k since Iverson was on the cover.

FACT remains. Regardless of what the devs say. Play a game and go up by 20 on any difficulty. Once the computer starts making a run. Call a timeout. Then watch your team do things that they were not doing to ensure the momentum doesn't shift until you do something or make a big play to swing it.

I can tell you dunks, big plays like blocks leading to scores and long 3s all change momentum in this game, just like in real life. I do these things when I'm in the park. If a team scores 4-5 straight, go dunk on somebody and watch how the momentum swings in your favor.

I've dunked on someone and the very next possession they'll turn the ball over or throw a pass out of bounds as if the guy wasn't standing right next to them. It happens ALL the time. I can say this for a fact because like I said, I play this game a lot and when I need a momentum swing this is what I do to swing it back. You can't call time out in the park or rec but I guarantee if you understand basketball and play the game as such, you will see these things happen time after time.

This is not a coincidence and to suggest we are all somehow playing the wrong way when these things happen is ignorant and irresponsible of the developers.

What do you say to the guy who's running plays to get his guys open but since the computer or user is on a run guys don't hit screens as hard or when you pass them the ball wide open they do that dumb fumble catch and go out of bounds? I don't buy what they are selling.

Same guys that said we will be able to change jerseys in my Career, look how that turned out. Same guys that said hair will move but didn't specify CAP hair would not.

Like come on. You guys are completely naiive to think the developers would even admit to this being a problem. People will believe what they want, but at the end of the day, the examples that people have given are clear cut cases of momentum deciding SOME aspects of a run no matter how sim you play. If the example of the fumble catch out of bounds while standing right next to an All Star like Carmelo or Chris Paul doens't do it for you, you're lost. Period.

Sidenote. Microtransactions don't belong in sports games.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: WANTED to test out the online servers with my boy. instead we got something els

I'm not saying that if you are winning the game has catch up logic. Never meant that.

Which is what Mike Wang was referring to when asked about it.[/Topic]

What I meant was exactly what I just said and what other people experience time after time. While on a run the computer will make shots based on whatever momentum code is in the game. Sometimes regardless of defense.

Think of momentum as buffs/debuffs to ratings. That is not the same as the game arbitrarily deciding which shots will make/miss.

There has to be some momentum programming.

Yes, and it is an evolution of hot/cold streaks, a system that has been in the game for over a decade.

[TheBigTicket205]

Re: WANTED to test out the online servers with my boy. instead we got something els

Ok for those that don't believe in the comeback code and believe you should just make adjustments what does a guy who disagrees and plays the MC mode do? I know for a fact something doesn't seem right in MC... I call timeouts because thats about all I can control unless I'm using my PG, but that position is still limited. My teammates miss lay ups(wide open) they sag off on defense, they dont post up of fight for position, they cant catch, My player gets doubled and suddenly I cant pass even with a maxed out playmaker rating. While the cpu turns into the 96 Bulls reincarnated. Like others have stated I too have been on the good side of these fairytale runs as well, but I sincerely believe something is there... Ive played this game for years and have always felt the unreal swings. Oh and for those who are gonna throw their 2 cents in and tell me gameplay tips about how to play bball... Ive played all my life went to school on a full ride and even played a year pro, so I know exactly how to play. I would like to know how to end the runs or prevent them because making bball plays and valuing the basketball is impossible if 2k decides when you make a shot or turn the ball over.

[JerzeyReign]

Re: WANTED to test out the online servers with my boy. instead we got something els

Ok for those that don't believe in the comeback code and believe you should just make adjustments what does a guy who disagrees and plays the MC mode do? I know for a fact something doesn't seem right in MC... I call timeouts because thats about all I can control unless I'm using my PG, but that position is still limited. My teammates miss lay ups(wide open) they sag off on defense, they dont post up of fight for position, they cant catch, My player gets doubled and suddenly I cant pass even with a maxed out playmaker rating. While the cpu turns into the 96 Bulls reincarnated. Like others have stated I too have been on the good side of these fairytale runs as well, but I sincerely believe something is there... Ive played this game for years and have always felt the unreal swings. Oh and for those who are gonna throw their 2 cents in and tell me gameplay tips about how to play bball... Ive played all my life went to school on a full ride and even played a year pro, so I know exactly how to play. I would like to know how to end the runs or prevent them because making bball plays and valuing the basketball is impossible if 2k decides when you make a shot or turn the ball over.

MyPlayer isn't a simulation mode, its meant to be played like an arcade game. Hero ball is what you're SUPPOSED to do. If it was an actual simulation mode - which it will never be - it would be 1000X harder to improve your player.

Complaining about simulation aspects in mycareer is like complaining about someone not being sim playing NBA Jam imo.

[TheBigTicket205]

Re: WANTED to test out the online servers with my boy. instead we got something els

MyPlayer isn't a simulation mode, its meant to be played like an arcade game. Hero ball is what you're SUPPOSED to do. If it was an actual simulation mode - which it will never be - it would be 1000X harder to improve your player.

Complaining about simulation aspects in mycareer is like complaining about someone not being sim playing NBA Jam imo.

Well if its not a sim mode why do I have the option to choose sim settings? I bought this game for sim gameplay... If i wanted nba jam i would just play nba jam.

[JerzeyReign]

Re: WANTED to test out the online servers with my boy. instead we got something els

Well if its not a sim mode why do I have the option to choose sim settings? I bought this game for sim gameplay... If i wanted nba jam i would just play nba jam.

Sim settings doesn't have anything to do with sim game play. Putting the game on HOF/SS sim only makes you have a more realistic (in some cases) FG% and more fouls. The game is going to play the same regardless if its on default, casual or sim. Casual may boost some things up, never really looked to see.

That mode's purpose isn't for a simulation minded player - its for casuals.

[cardinalbird5]

Re: WANTED to test out the online servers with my boy. instead we got something els

MyPlayer isn't a simulation mode, its meant to be played like an arcade game. Hero ball is what you're SUPPOSED to do. If it was an actual simulation mode - which it will never be - it would be 1000X harder to improve your player.

Complaining about simulation aspects in mycareer is like complaining about someone not being sim playing NBA Jam imo.

Bingo! MC you have little to no impact on how your team plays and that is why I am not a fan of it.

Keep going guys....this thread is hilarious. The guys saying there is a "comeback code" may be right, but we would never know with how stubborn and poor their arguments are.

I've never experienced this ever in my 2k career...guess what? I just blew a 8 point lead with 2 min to go against the Thunder. It was totally my fault though. I took bad shots and fell asleep on defense.

It is funny because there are conspiracy theorists out that believe this happens in Madden and MLB The Show too. Then when you watch how they play you are not surprised they blow games.

[TheBigTicket205]

Re: WANTED to test out the online servers with my boy. instead we got something els

[QUOTE=JerzeyReign;2047167252]Sim settings doesn't have anything to do with sim game play. Putting the game on HOF/SS sim only makes you have a more realistic (in some cases) FG% and more fouls. The game is going to play the same regardless if its on default, casual or sim. Casual may boost some things up, never really looked to see.

So i guess i was wrong to assume MC's purpose was to "simulate" the life of an NBA player... Honestly this game needs a complete overhaul in my opinion... Also they should just implement a "arcade" "casual" and a "sim" setting then. That way they can cater to everyone in their own respect also micro transactions have butchered this game... Allow sliders for MC and that may solve some of my issues i guess.