Green Releases Much Rarer in NBA 2K16, No Longer 100% - More Details From Mike Wang

[I Djm]

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Theres your problem right there. you playing on on casual game modes. Get in a HOF sime game with real nba teams and see if that works. it wont btw

Dude HOF sim is not a good representation lol. The stuff the cpu gets away with smh

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[TalentedJB]

Dude HOF sim is not a good representation lol. The stuff the cpu gets away with smh

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HOF SIM, 5v5 Teamup is probably the best representation of user-to-user basketball on 2k. Why 2k doesn't focus it's slider testing on this mode, kinda boggles my mind?!?!

But homie is right, even on HOF SIM, zig-zig cheese, green-release w/bad shooter/easy form is relevant.

[TalentedJB]

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/03/11/pierce-cares-not-about-your-hand-in-his-face/

Great article there, that speaks on contested vs. uncontested shot percentages. How some players are better are contested shots vs. uncontested.

Def relevant to this discussion. This also got me thinking, maybe for 2k17 (Cause im sure '16 is almost ready to go) 2k can revamp shooting ratings to incorporate Contested Shot Rating and Uncontested Shot rating.

[stillfeelme]

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http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/03/11/pierce-cares-not-about-your-hand-in-his-face/

Great article there, that speaks on contested vs. uncontested shot percentages. How some players are better are contested shots vs. uncontested.

Def relevant to this discussion. This also got me thinking, maybe for 2k17 (Cause im sure '16 is almost ready to go) 2k can revamp shooting ratings to incorporate Contested Shot Rating and Uncontested Shot rating.

I asked for this two years in a row it is the way to go IMO as long as they have rational decisions to do the ratings when there is a player with not enough data or shots.

[TalentedJB]

I asked for this two years in a row it is the way to go IMO as long as they have rational decisions to do the ratings when there is a player with not enough data or shots.

I def agree. If 2k can examine more advanced stats and metrics, ala "Contested/Uncontested Field Goal %" and incorporate that into the already existing shooting ratings, we'd probably find a balance with the green releases/user skill/ and how it correlates to a player's rating/ability to make said shots.

[stillfeelme]

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I def agree. If 2k can examine more advanced stats and metrics, ala "Contested/Uncontested Field Goal %" and incorporate that into the already existing shooting ratings, we'd probably find a balance with the green releases/user skill/ and how it correlates to a player's rating/ability to make said shots.

The funny thing is all of this data is available for free on NBA.com. They wouldn't need a perfect release success rate just have it so your perfect release gives you your maximum rating based off %s

[HowDareI]

Re: Green Releases Much Rarer in NBA 2K16, No Longer 100%

I def agree. If 2k can examine more advanced stats and metrics, ala "Contested/Uncontested Field Goal %" and incorporate that into the already existing shooting ratings, we'd probably find a balance with the green releases/user skill/ and how it correlates to a player's rating/ability to make said shots.

That's why it's hard for me to replicate certain players' playstyles in the game.

Guys like Kobe or T-Mac thrive off making a quick move then a leaning midrange over the defender. Deadeye+Shot Creator is the closest thing but it still doesn't help as much.
Lebron hits contested layups at ease but not in 15, he's more likely just to posterize at every chance.
And don't get me started on Iverson.

[pimp2k4]

Re: Green Releases Much Rarer in NBA 2K16, No Longer 100%

Will be starting my career as a kid look at the video I watched the shadow grow!

[MoneyOvaHuds]

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Video talking about the new shot http://youtu.be/4BPWyrPp2Fo

[Jrocc23]

Re: Green Releases Much Rarer in NBA 2K16, No Longer 100%

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No, I'm not confused. I have over 1200 hours playing this game. I'm a legend 3 in the rec, as well as the number one seed in MyTeam. Nothing gets me more upset than hearing you guys complain about this. Just play good defense, that is it. It's not hard.

Patch 4 made it so that good shots had a better chance of going in and contested shots had a worse chance. But the problem is you casuals have such a hard time guarding people one on one that you give people wide open shots. Then you blame then game instead of trying to get better. Defense is everything. If you play great defense I guarantee your opponent will have troubles shooting. That is it.

Stop blaming the game and get better. It's that simple.

I am sorry, but you're wrong. I've been playing 2K since dreamcast and got more hours in on 2K15. Defense isn't really hard to play offline, but online it's way tougher than it should be because of the lag input, silly defensive animations and etc. People shouldn't even have a problem defending someone going left to right. I mean, c'mon. And I've been playing this game for the longest and it's a pain to guard. They all do the same type of moves and you still can rarely guard it:

They are either doing a size up, run left to right, behind the back left to the right, stepback stepback stepback, behind the back left run left behind the back right. All in the same possession lol. If you can keep up with that, and get the contest animation, it's still most likely going in with someone that mastered the shot + deadeye + being 7'+. This is Park and Rec but regular games are a little more fair, but it's still hard to keep up with the offensive player.

You can't defend patch 4. It was horrible. It was much much better before that patch. People rarely even took 3s like that, but now you can give a open lane for a layup and they'll turn around just to go to the 3pt line lmao. You play the park, you see the type of shots even the worst players make. Before the patch, you could even sag off some players, now people are money. Especially from midrange. People don't even really shoot mid but try to drive and accidentally shoot or do a leaning shot and you know it's good. Don't even lie bro. You know it is. That's fake and it's a problem. And it goes for layups, post fades all of that.

And this is just not Park or Rec. It happens in MC on HOF Rondo hitting 3s and other cats that can't even shoot, most definitely MyTeam but that's the easiest mode in the game, and etc. The defense was already not that good because of the lag input but that patch made offense that much more favored. You can't just keep dismissing people as "casuals" because they don't agree or don't have as many hours in the game as you. Some people know how to play defense and mostly everyone know these things are issues. Patch #4 was definitely a problem lol.

[Sundown]

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More difficult greens and them not being 100% is exactly what I want. There should always be some uncertainty during the green release.


Greens should exist only as feedback, not a video gamey gimmick that turns basketball into an obsessve pursuit of getting some colored circle to appear.

[Taer]

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Wow, this thread has been derailed! Even more than usual in OS threads.

Getting back on track, here are the points that I'm happy to see being made:

... The best news I can give you is that our shots engineer has made just about every knob I use to tune shooting modifiable on the server side post release just like a roster update. So if there's something the community isn't happy with I can tweak the system and update your games without the need for a patch. So what happened with patch 4 last year will never happen again.

The more fine tuning that can be done without patching the more I am ok with the tuning in the first place. Unfortunately, there is going to be some tuning needed whatever the initial choices made. Making the ability to do this easier and faster is a good thing, no matter your position on the original argument.

I find myself agreeing with LD2K: A shot taken, no matter the circumstances should never be guaranteed to make or miss.

... I'd argue it takes away from the drama of the in-game intensity and takes away from the anticipation of whether or not you're going to make or miss. I like the adjustment, personally.

I get that people want to be rewarded for proper playing. The issues arise when people's expectations are set at the Space-Jam level for success verses a realistic level resulting in real-world stats.

LD2K and the relations team really need to be out among the casuals setting the proper expectations. An argument between 2 OS-level sim-head geeks is much different than that between a super-casual play for immediate reward user and a sim-head.

[Ownal0t]

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Isn't jhawk a avid defender of 2k? I've gotten that vibe in most of the topics I seen him post in. It's never the game fault, but is urs instead type of guy?

LOL at people complainin about the new shot system. Did these people start with 2k15? A + EXCELLENT shots iirc in the past were always green, and they missed. This would be like going back to the old days . I don't see why people are really mad but this, I told some people I play with the news and they been crying rivers all night. Lol

[Jrocc23]

Re: Green Releases Much Rarer in NBA 2K16, No Longer 100%

Isn't jhawk a avid defender of 2k? I've gotten that vibe in most of the topics I seen him post in. It's never the game fault, but is urs instead type of guy?



LOL at people complainin about the new shot system. Did these people start with 2k15? A + EXCELLENT shots iirc in the past were always green, and they missed. This would be like going back to the old days . I don't see why people are really mad but this, I told some people I play with the news and they been crying rivers all night. Lol

I pretty much agree but it's not like the old days necessarily. You could get green a lot easier but still miss even air ball.

But from what I am reading, it'll be very hard to get green basically making me feel like I am missing my release. But, I guess we'll see how it is. Can't be no worse than it is now.

[jUSToFFICIAL]

shot quality over timing should really matter