An In-Depth Look at the Changes to the NBA 2K16 Ratings System

[The 24th Letter]

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I know this is about ratings, but my favorite part of this is reading that they watched some raw footage of people playing on YouTube...identified some frustrations real time and resolved to fix it....

Maybe they were already doing this but I love hearing them saying it....that's how you stay in touch with the community...


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[Taer]

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....that's how you stay in touch with the community...


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To a point. Sometimes it leads to focusing too much on what vid makers "desire" and not the rest of the community. ( ie. after-basket celebration animations in 2k15).

[burter]

No offense to Dennis Rodman, but Wilt Chamberlain by far the greatest rebounder ever. It's not even close. Dude could avg. 20+ rebounds a game in any time period.

I do like what they are doing though. This is why I buy 2k bball, even when they have down year or 2, it's because they actually care and try to fix stuff.

[tril]

this again is Awesome 2k.
thanks for listening to the users of your product. alot of folks have always wanted ratings based on the entire history of the nba.
hopefully theyll have separate ratings for casual and sim settings.
as always, Im looking forward to this years release.

[The 24th Letter]

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To a point. Sometimes it leads to focusing too much on what vid makers "desire" and not the rest of the community. ( ie. after-basket celebration animations in 2k15).

Could be....but in this case they obviously focused on the right things...can't picture Lefto's watching videos and taking away the fact that we need more cartwheels either way haha


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[jfsolo]

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I like this.

Here is a caveat of any ratings scale that I wonder if Beds and the team addressed: Progression - Regression as it relates to the non single game modes.

Will we have, in year 3 of a MyGM, 14 guys rated in the 90's? The problem I had with the ratings was more so that every youngster with high potential developed to or past their mark, while most players already in the 90's never regressed a bit.

In NBA2k15 by year 2019 guys like Kevin Durant, James Harden, Steph Curry, Kyrie Irving just kept getting better because they would rarely ever see injuries.

Between NBA2k11 and NBA2k15 look how many players hit the 90's, were lowered, and some later rose again. I hope the ratings in the My modes are as dynamic.

I don't know if it is in MyGM, but Sim's blog post mentioned that in MyLeague they have added both a player regression rate slider, and quote:

Customizable Progression/Regression – Every player in the league now has a unique editable entry called ‘Peak Start’ and ‘Peak End’. ‘Peak Start’ is the age at which players have developed as much as they can, and will not see additional ratings increases outside of training. ‘Peak End’ is the age at which players will start their inevitable ratings decline.

[DC]

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...Did he just call Dennis Rodman the best offensive rebounder of all time?

Uh, don't get me wrong, he's top five, but I still think Moses Ma--

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There is no "thinking" involved my man. A simple click

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/orb_pct_season.html

[VDusen04]

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To a point. Sometimes it leads to focusing too much on what vid makers "desire" and not the rest of the community. ( ie. after-basket celebration animations in 2k15).

Slightly off topic but as someone who only played NBA 2K15 a handful of times, those after-basket celebrations were absolutely maddening! How did that slip into the final product? My brothers and I struggled to compose ourselves every time Nik Stauskas would hit a mid-range jumper in the second quarter then began celebrating like he just won a playoff game.

No offense to Dennis Rodman, but Wilt Chamberlain by far the greatest rebounder ever. It's not even close. Dude could avg. 20+ rebounds a game in any time period.

Not to skew too far off course, but an NBA game in '61 (Chamberlain's 27.2 rebound year) featured 147 rebound opportunities. Rodman's prime years featured only 84 opportunities. As such, looking flatly at one's per game average could skew actual rebound ability.

In regards to Team Rebound Share (the number of a team's rebounds garnered by a single player) and Total Rebound Percentage, Rodman blows away both Russell and Chamberlain. That's to say, if Rodman had played in a league where there were 147 shots going up every night, his per game average could possibly eclipse 30 at its peak.

Here's a pretty solid analysis that's been around a while on the matter: http://skepticalsports.com/tag/wilt-chamberlain/

[DC]

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It is wild that in 2015, people still look at overall ratings and draw their own conclusions from that. "No way Durant should be 3 points lower than LeBron."

Listen, the overall ratings only speak on which type of player that player is. Remember, 2K introduced Player Labels into the game.

Durant will most likely be a Scoring Machine.
LeBron will most likely be a Point Forward or and All Around SuperStar

So essentially, you can't look at the overall rating and say, "How is Durant -3 vs. LeBron" when they have DIFFERENT skill sets.

Let me give you analogy. Imagine animals had predatory ratings. Elephant is a 88 overall and the Crocodile is an 86.

Looking at that you think, "All the elephant can do is squash someone. He isn't the killer that a Crocodile is."

Now, this is true but the Elephant excels in different physical categories than a Croc. Same with the croc, he has different survival skills than the Elephant. The Elephant is a Superheavyweight Bruiser. The Crocodile would be a Crafty Opportunist.

In other words, The Elephant is an 88 Rated Bruiser while the Croc is an 86 Rated Opportunist. No need to compare because they bring you different things. The 88 vs. 86 is not saying the Elephant is "better."

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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I know this is about ratings, but my favorite part of this is reading that they watched some raw footage of people playing on YouTube...identified some frustrations real time and resolved to fix it....

Maybe they were already doing this but I love hearing them saying it....that's how you stay in touch with the community...


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Yeah I was really shocked he acknowledged things like Dwight hitting fadeaway a over good defense and cheesy gameplay . Wonder what this means for blocking though. Hopefully tracking is improved

[MP.Trey]

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There is no "thinking" involved my man. A simple click

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ct_season.html

Is Steve Kerr the greatest 3 point shooter of all time because he has the highest percentage? Shawn Bradley has the highest block percentage of all time, GOAT shot blocker?

Not that Rodman is so farfetched but just saying there's more to basketball than stats, and Moses is the greatest from the tape I've seen.

[MoneyOvaHuds]

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Really... their were many players who were taller and bigger then Wilt, Russell, and Nate when they played.

Who and were they elite talents like them ? Once again the game was much different back in the 60's , they were the exception back then like Jordan and Lebron are .

[DC]

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Is Steve Kerr the greatest 3 point shooter of all time because he has the highest percentage? Shawn Bradley has the highest block percentage of all time, GOAT shot blocker?

Not that Rodman is so farfetched but just saying there's more to basketball than stats, and Moses is the greatest from the tape I've seen.

But "tape" can't be used as factual evidence when people see different things on tape. You have to use numbers. That is all a game is, a bunch of numbers and probability kicks in.

re: 3Pt

Not at all. But that is why we have "modifiers" with the shot ratings.

Height
Consistency
Badges
Off-Dribble


Steve Kerr's record breaking season for 3PT % should be used as the prototype when assigning 3PT ratings.

[MP.Trey]

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But "tape" can't be used as factual evidence when people see different things on tape. You have to use numbers. That is all a game is, a bunch of numbers and probability kicks in.

re: 3Pt

Not at all. But that is why we have "modifiers" with the shot ratings.

Height
Consistency
Badges
Off-Dribble


Steve Kerr's record breaking season for 3PT % should be used as the prototype when assigning 3PT ratings.

Couldn't disagree more about basketball being nothing but numbers and probability. You have to watch tape to see HOW a player does something to truly understand what they're good and not good at. Just looking at Kerr's percentages, he shoots it better than Curry, but Curry by far takes more shots and more diffcult shots and is a much more impressive shooter. I think 2k does well with rating players but acting like numbers are the be all end all is pretty ridiculous imo.

[DC]

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Couldn't disagree more about basketball being nothing but numbers and probability.

A game = A basketball VIDEO GAME. Not "basketball."

And yes, attempts should be factored into shot ratings