Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

[chronoxiong]

Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

I find nothing wrong with that overall rating. Iggy is clearly not as good on offense as he is on defense. So I'm sure 2K gave him lower ratings for the offensive side and probably gave him bigger ratings on defense. Add it all up and it makes it 77 overall.

[Zelg00niez]

Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

He deserves a 77, just cause u won mvp doesn't make u a super great player it just mean u stepped up when it counted. Thats like saying Dellavedova deserves to be in the 80's based off his playoff performance but we know that's not the case. Iggy doesn't even start. Not knocking him cause he's a great athlete but 77 fits him well. Ratings don't mean much anyway. It's the person with the controller in there hand that's important part

[gremdog8]

Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

Here's a stat for you.

Kobe has played 41 games. Out of the last 164. He's missed 75% of the last two seasons.

85 overall.

#LegacyBump

Aaron Brooks is a 75 overall. Is he the next finals mvp?

You want a #LegacyBump, how about the 87 Kareem that averaged 14.6 and 6 rebounds be a 94 overall... so if the 71-72 Kareem was in the game he be rated at least 125 overall

[Sundown]

Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

He deserves a 77, just cause u won mvp doesn't make u a super great player it just mean u stepped up when it counted. Thats like saying Dellavedova deserves to be in the 80's based off his playoff performance but we know that's not the case. Iggy doesn't even start. Not knocking him cause he's a great athlete but 77 fits him well. Ratings don't mean much anyway. It's the person with the controller in there hand that's important part

Dellavedova didn't have a great performance. He stopped Curry one game and got torched the rest of the series.

Iguodala is one year removed from having the highest statistical impact in the
league according to RAPM. Yes, there was some drop off due to a role change and he's inconsistent on offense due to lack of aggressiveness and issues caused by poor freethrows. But he's elite on one end and a high impact cog on the other with extremely high awareness and IQ. Comparing Dellavedova to Iguodala couldn't be more off base.

Iguodala is also starter quality. The only reason he doesn't start is because Kerr moved him to the bench to add playmaking in the second unit and more importantly to give Barnes more confidence because Barnes is terrible is an isolation player and offensive creator. He was a super sub the way Manu was.

[Sundown]

Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

If a player plays true in-game and has results that are within statistical norms and who's gameplay mimics his current developmental arc, who cares what his "ranking" or "overall" is?

These types of threads really have no business being made until we see how people perform in 2K16. It might be that an overall of 77 means he is much better than an Iguodala rated 87 in 2K12 or 2K15.

Once we get real experience on the sticks we can provide constructive feedback.

The franchise simulation engine does. So does the coaching engine and substitution engine. OVR affects every aspect of the game-- because it is a primary number the AI uses to evaluate decisions. I'm sure that's improved but I simply don't understand the argument of "OVR doesn't matter" in a simulation that obviously uses numerical values to some end.

The current AI is more likely to think Igudoala is a comparative trade piece for Aaron Brooks because they're similarly rated if a team needs a backup PG, than it is likely to realize that Iguodala is better than say Kobe in nearly every context in roster building. That's why OVRs matter.

[manu1433]

Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

Box score stats is the worst way to analyze Andre Iguodala.


Appreciation for Iggy is kind of a litmus test for basketball knowledge. Heh.


Iguodala lead the leage in RAPM last year. Lo and behind, he's Finals MVP. That's not a coincidence.


77. Le sigh. So is Draymond getting a 80 next?



Again, box scores? Lebron shot at a terrible percentage and shot much worse defended by Iguodala than any other GSW defender. You do realize efficiency is kind of a thing, right? Lebron could score 60 at the same percentages and that would play even more into GSW's defensive gameplan.


Lebron had a TS of .477. That is the worst in Finals history of anyone shooting more than 20 shots a game.


Yes, Iguodala shut him down, as much as anyone has shut down a superstar in the history of the Finals. To be fair it was a team defensive effort, and Lebron draws enough doubleteams to put up "Kobe assists" where a miss (and there were many) often ends up as a offensive rebound, but to quote box scores alone completely misses the mark.

Iggy is probably the most ridiculous finals MVP choice in recent memory.

Iggy "shutting down" Lebron is quite the gross overstatement. That's not to say he didn't do a fine job, but it was cecrtainly overblown.

Iggy didn't really guard him as much as you'd think. Cleveland was constantly getting Iggy switched off Lebron.

Lebron shot 18/54 against Iggy in the series

Lebron shot nearly 200 shots in the series. So iggy was only guarding Lebron for about 1/4th of his shot attempts.

Against everyone not Iggy on the Warriors, Lebron shot 42%

So let's look a little deeper.

Since Iggy only contested about 1/4 of Lebron's shots, he was only guarding Lebron on about 8.175 shots per game.

Of those 8.175 shots, Lebron made 2.7 of them (33%)

Against the average Warrior, lebron would have seen a bump to 3.4/8.175

Congratulations to Andre Igoudala, you just won a finals MVP for making Lebron miss an extra 0.7 shots per game in the finals.

That man should be thrown in jail for theft.

What a joke.

[Mikelopedia]

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It's nauseating that this thread is 12 pages long...

You're splitting hairs for the sake of splitting hairs. Overall ratings in 2k16 are simply the result of a mathematical equation that tells the game who to give more playing time to when setting rotations. An equation in desperate need of an overhaul as it still punishes bigs that don't play like a 1990's center.

You're unhappy with the answer being 77, ok that's fair if you can tell me which individual attributes of Iguodala's should be raised. What are his ball handling ratings, what are his defensive IQ ratings, what are his passing ratings? If those are accurate, then the fault lies with the formula itself, not the ratings. If you just want to boost random crap to make 77 into an 82, then what is it you are accomplishing?

Every one of these threads and tweets on Mike Stauffer's feed are a failure by us in the SimNation as well as 2K to educate the casual gamer as to what actually drives what they see their favorite players do in the game.

[Sundown]

Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

he was bullying iggy too

most of the shots he missed were makeable or due to help defense/fatigue

jimmy is the best lebron defender imo

even better than kawhi

So if Lebron misses against Iguodala more than any other Warrior for one of the least efficient Finals performances he's just tired or it's help defense? But as long as the shots look makeable he's bullying Iguodala? When are basketball games won on aesthetics? When did we start judging offensive dominance on how "bullying" missed shots looked (which they didn't)?

Iguodala made Lebron work the whole series. He's been guarding him for a decade and knows exactly how to play him (as well as can be).

[Sundown]

Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

It's nauseating that this thread is 12 pages long...



You're splitting hairs for the sake of splitting hairs. Overall ratings in 2k16 are simply the result of a mathematical equation that tells the game who to give more playing time to when setting rotations. An equation in desperate need of an overhaul as it still punishes bigs that don't play like a 1990's center.



You're unhappy with the answer being 77, ok that's fair if you can tell me which individual attributes of Iguodala's should be raised. What are his ball handling ratings, what are his defensive IQ ratings, what are his passing ratings? If those are accurate, then the fault lies with the formula itself, not the ratings. If you just want to boost random crap to make 77 into an 82, then what is it you are accomplishing?



Every one of these threads and tweets on Mike Stauffer's feed are a failure by us in the SimNation as well as 2K to educate the casual gamer as to what actually drives what they see their favorite players do in the game.

I actually completely agree with this. Either the formula has issues or Iguodala is rated lower in some categories. Either way there is a problem, and that's not excused by simply saying OVR doesn't matter.

He certainly shouldn't be randomly boosted just to get a rating-- but when a high impact player is rated similarly to run of the mill bench guys, that's problematic.

[Sundown]

Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

Ok, taking all this into account, if everyone who was a good role player that played great defense was rated in the 80s, then Tony Allen would be one of the best players in the game. Actually, let's compare Allen with Iguodala: Tony Allen had more points, steals, rebounds, shot attempts per game and a higher FT% and a better FG% than Iguodala last year and his VORP was higher. So Tony Allen better be at least an 83 overall if Iguodala is an 82. And if Tony Allen is an 83 overall, then Kobe should probably be a 90, and LeBron a 112.



This is why we don't rate people after one good series.



(PS: Tony Allen started 41 regular season games last year. Iguodala started 0)

I'm fine with Allen in the 80's, except Allen's offense is so bad that he was rendered unplayable. Iguodala is much more effective and balanced a player. But I'm fine with rewarding elite defense.

But no, Kobe would still be in the low 80's or high 70's. Just because a defensive player should be properly rated doesn't excuse Kobe's terrible rating or suggest that he should be even higher.

Kobe is actually an indicator of the opposite side of the problem-- box score and reputation is factored much more heavily for some players than actual impact on both sides of the ball.

And Iguodala started in 0 games because Kerr wanted to boost Barnes' confidence who is obviously a much worse player and a poor fit with the bench. Using games started shows a misunderstanding of GSW's situation and iguodala's ability, whose addition to the starters the year prior resulted in the most dominant starting 5 in the league.

Iguodala started in 3 Finals games. Toney 0.

[MGSW]

Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

the ratings aren't based off one series 😂
and neither him or kawhi shut down lebron 😂

He did shut down LeBron. He absolutely owned him. LeBron shot around 35% when being defended by Iguodala. Those are scrub numbers and his % attempts at the rim were a career low because Iguodala didn't let LeBron get to the rim. He had to settle for fade aways and long 2s.

Why do you think he got the MVP? For looking handsome?

Go watch some basketball. Learn something.

[Cripterion]

Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

It would be like arguing that Iguadala deserves a higher rating than Curry because he was the finals MVP over him.

I'am sure Iggy will play close to his real life counter part. No need to bring Kobe into the argument because it's pretty clear he was overrated by 2K. It would be stupid to scale every players to his rating.

Well said.

Some people always sour about The Black Mamba.

[Vroman]

Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

I rememb the days of ps2-gen pro evolution soccer games where players had no overall ratings at all, you simply had to pick player for the starting position based on individual ratings. That learnt me to do so in nba 2k games too, overall ratings can be so misleading imo.

[DaKoKing]

Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

Based on the way they appear to be doing the ratings (outside of the bogus Kobe Bryant rating) the 77 seems about what should be expected.

To be clear, I'm not a fan of the way they are doing the ratings at all this go 'round. I think it overrates past players and underrates present players. That plus the fact that they clearly have an agenda with Kobe's rating is why I'll wait until November or so to buy the game.

With that said, the 77 fits what they are doing. Iguodala is a starting caliber SF in the NBA but he doesn't have an elite offensive skill. Based on the known ratings, it seems that to get into the 80s you gotta have at least one elite offensive skill.

[raidertiger]

Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

He's not rated high because the ratings are catered to offense/casuals. Iguodala's eliteness isn't really captured in game because of it, but relentless inefficient garbage chuckers like Kobe (recently) get massive boosts from it.