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  • Real2KInsider
    MVP
    • Dec 2003
    • 4658

    #121
    Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

    Originally posted by MGSW
    1. He wasn't a finals mvp then.
    An award he barely deserved says nothing about his 100-games of on-court play.

    Based on my adjustments I had him at 80 OVR so he was marginally underrated. But to over-react based entirely off 6 games and a debatable award, is put simply, silly.

    Season: 8 PPG, 47 FG%
    Vs NOP: 6 PPG, 31 FG%
    vs MEM: 10 PPG, 51 FG%
    Vs HOU: 7 PPG, 46 FG%, 31 FT%
    Vs CLE: 16 PPG, 52 FG%, 36 FT%


    Gotta take the bad with the good. Iggy barely had a pulse until the right series matchup came along (and anyone who seriously thinks he was more valuable in the Finals than Curry (26-5-6) is straight kidding themselves).

    Plus they couldn't underrate him anymore because he has a ring plus a finals MVP. But hey, clearly they can.
    You have yet to mention a single skill and are basing his rating solely off team/series accolades without any context.

    3. My argument is simple. If ANYONE else had won finals mvp. They would've been at least an 80 by default.
    Anyone else who would have won the award would have been a great player. Iggy is the worst player in the history of the award and it isn't close. He didn't start a single regular season game (ranking FOURTH in Sixth Man of the Year voting, LOL guess which award matters more in the grand scheme of his rating), and has numerous, clear flaws in his game irrespective of his Finals performance. You sound very much like a guy who only watched the Finals if "he was MVP" is going to be the only point you parrot.
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    • jmaj315
      Pro
      • Oct 2012
      • 993

      #122
      Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

      Originally posted by Jumpman14
      I honestly don't see why ppl get so worked up over ratings.
      excuses for why they keep losing.

      After reading this entire thread, I've come to the conclusion that YOU, yes YOU, can change his rating if you so choose.

      If you play online quick game, you will "shut down" your opponent with Iggy (unless you are garbage, thats key). I guaran-sheed it
      Last edited by jmaj315; 09-17-2015, 08:38 AM.
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      • Rell7thirty
        Pro
        • Dec 2013
        • 721

        #123
        Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

        His rating is probably that low because it conflicts with the starting lineup. If he's rated higher than Harrison Barnes then the CPU would try to sub him in ASAP on the first dead ball.

        Rating him lower than Barnes probably bypasses that. I'm just guessing

        Iggy should be an 80. He's amazing defensively and is capable of dropping 15 to 20 on any given night. The offense doesn't revolve or have plays set up for him. He's in there to stop people.

        He needs to be at 80. His defense, dunking, agility and physical overall talent should balance to at least an 80.

        But we shall see. The ratings changed throughout the entire season last year, hopefully we will see the same dedication.

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        • redsox4evur
          Hall Of Fame
          • Jul 2013
          • 18169

          #124
          Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

          Originally posted by Rell7thirty
          His rating is probably that low because it conflicts with the starting lineup. If he's rated higher than Harrison Barnes then the CPU would try to sub him in ASAP on the first dead ball.

          Rating him lower than Barnes probably bypasses that.
          NO IT DOESN'T!!!! That doesn't matter anymore. One of the devs or LD2K said that there is a new thing this year, kinda like roles in the past. Where you can set your 6th man. And if I felt the need I could make it so Lebron was the 6th man for the Cavs for the duration of time he was in my MyLeague.
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          • BlessingSpore72
            MVP
            • Nov 2014
            • 1085

            #125
            Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

            Yeah the overall rating doesnt matter. If you look on the 2kmtcentral site. You can rank players based on total attribute points. Well a 90 overall Elgin Baylor has more total attribute points than a 99 Pink Diamond Curry
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            • Mauer4MVP
              MVP
              • Mar 2010
              • 2407

              #126
              Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

              Originally posted by redsox4evur
              NO IT DOESN'T!!!! That doesn't matter anymore. One of the devs or LD2K said that there is a new thing this year, kinda like roles in the past. Where you can set your 6th man. And if I felt the need I could make it so Lebron was the 6th man for the Cavs for the duration of time he was in my MyLeague.
              Love that feature so much.

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              • MGSW
                Banned
                • Aug 2015
                • 279

                #127
                Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

                Originally posted by Rashidi
                An award he barely deserved says nothing about his 100-games of on-court play.

                Based on my adjustments I had him at 80 OVR so he was marginally underrated. But to over-react based entirely off 6 games and a debatable award, is put simply, silly.

                Season: 8 PPG, 47 FG%
                Vs NOP: 6 PPG, 31 FG%
                vs MEM: 10 PPG, 51 FG%
                Vs HOU: 7 PPG, 46 FG%, 31 FT%
                Vs CLE: 16 PPG, 52 FG%, 36 FT%


                Gotta take the bad with the good. Iggy barely had a pulse until the right series matchup came along (and anyone who seriously thinks he was more valuable in the Finals than Curry (26-5-6) is straight kidding themselves).



                You have yet to mention a single skill and are basing his rating solely off team/series accolades without any context.



                Anyone else who would have won the award would have been a great player. Iggy is the worst player in the history of the award and it isn't close. He didn't start a single regular season game (ranking FOURTH in Sixth Man of the Year voting, LOL guess which award matters more in the grand scheme of his rating), and has numerous, clear flaws in his game irrespective of his Finals performance. You sound very much like a guy who only watched the Finals if "he was MVP" is going to be the only point you parrot.
                LOL... you casual fans and your reliance on basic box score numbers is hilarious.

                Check his on/off numbers. Check his advanced metrics. He's one of the most impacful players in the entire league. The fact that you think my entire argument is based on one award only goes to show you haven't read all my posts.

                And he was more valuable than Steph. Steph was struggling early on, Iguodala locked down LeBron. Absolutely owned him. No other player in the league right now can do that, aside from Leonard.

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                • Real2KInsider
                  MVP
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 4658

                  #128
                  Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

                  Originally posted by Rell7thirty
                  His rating is probably that low because it conflicts with the starting lineup. If he's rated higher than Harrison Barnes then the CPU would try to sub him in ASAP on the first dead ball.

                  Rating him lower than Barnes probably bypasses that. I'm just guessing

                  Iggy should be an 80. He's amazing defensively and is capable of dropping 15 to 20 on any given night. The offense doesn't revolve or have plays set up for him. He's in there to stop people.

                  He needs to be at 80. His defense, dunking, agility and physical overall talent should balance to at least an 80.

                  But we shall see. The ratings changed throughout the entire season last year, hopefully we will see the same dedication.
                  Would like to note

                  Rashidi vs 2K15
                  94 (-1) Curry
                  86 (-1) Klay
                  83 (+2) Bogut
                  81 (+2) Barnes
                  80 (-3) Green (2K seriously has the worst PF formula - IIIRC Rates 83/SF)
                  80 (+2) Iggy
                  76 (+2) Livingston
                  76 (NC) Speights
                  76 (+5) Festus
                  75 (+3) Barbosa
                  75 (+2) J. Thompson

                  Beyond Green's OVR I don't think you could complain much.

                  There are a lot of people who don't know the NBA or ratings that well who will say things like "Iguodala should be an 80!" without recognizing it's the players rated above and below him give context to that.

                  With my ratings it basically comes down to (and this is not a scale I worked towards)
                  90: Average Superstar
                  85: Average All-Star
                  80: Average Starter
                  75: Average Backup
                  70: Average 3rd String
                  Less: D-Leaguer

                  If 2K has Iguodala at 77 but Barnes in that same range while Livingston/Barbosa/Festus are 70-71 OVR then he isn't the player that with the ratings problem.
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                  • Mickeyknoxx
                    Rookie
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 186

                    #129
                    Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

                    Kobe is reading this thread thinking.. Damn i have to play my best this season and put good stats numbers to show them that i deserve at least 82. It's time to start playing defense at this point on my career.

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                    • DC
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 17996

                      #130
                      Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

                      Originally posted by Rashidi
                      An award he barely deserved says nothing about his 100-games of on-court play.

                      Based on my adjustments I had him at 80 OVR so he was marginally underrated. But to over-react based entirely off 6 games and a debatable award, is put simply, silly.

                      Season: 8 PPG, 47 FG%
                      Vs NOP: 6 PPG, 31 FG%
                      vs MEM: 10 PPG, 51 FG%
                      Vs HOU: 7 PPG, 46 FG%, 31 FT%
                      Vs CLE: 16 PPG, 52 FG%, 36 FT%


                      Gotta take the bad with the good. Iggy barely had a pulse until the right series matchup came along (and anyone who seriously thinks he was more valuable in the Finals than Curry (26-5-6) is straight kidding themselves).



                      You have yet to mention a single skill and are basing his rating solely off team/series accolades without any context.



                      Anyone else who would have won the award would have been a great player. Iggy is the worst player in the history of the award and it isn't close. He didn't start a single regular season game (ranking FOURTH in Sixth Man of the Year voting, LOL guess which award matters more in the grand scheme of his rating), and has numerous, clear flaws in his game irrespective of his Finals performance. You sound very much like a guy who only watched the Finals if "he was MVP" is going to be the only point you parrot.
                      Man check into the thread on page one next time. This discussion was all over the place from the jump
                      Concrete evidence/videos please

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                      • jeremym480
                        Speak it into existence
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 18198

                        #131
                        Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

                        Originally posted by Rashidi
                        An award he barely deserved says nothing about his 100-games of on-court play.

                        Based on my adjustments I had him at 80 OVR so he was marginally underrated. But to over-react based entirely off 6 games and a debatable award, is put simply, silly.

                        Vs CLE: 16 PPG, 52 FG%, 36 FT%
                        And his FG% was largely inflated due to the Cavs leaving him WIIIIIDDDDEEE open for a lot of those shots.
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                        • MGSW
                          Banned
                          • Aug 2015
                          • 279

                          #132
                          Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

                          The league average in PER is 15.

                          Iguodala held opposing shooting guards to a PER of 14. And opposing SFs to a PER of 10. He turns legit players into scrubs.

                          Opponents eFG% when he's on the floor is 2% lower than it is when he's on the bench.

                          The assisted FG% allowed with him on the floor is 4% lower.

                          Opponents score more, assist more and turn the ball over less when Iguodala is on the bench.

                          The only other non-point guard players that had more secondary assists per game last season were James Harden and Manu Ginobili.


                          As for not locking down LeBron?

                          When Kawhi defended LeBron in the finals, LeBron managed to shoot 57% from the field (2014). When Iguodala defended him this year LeBron averaged just 35.1 percent from the field.

                          The Cavs were plus -30 with Iguodala on the bench. And minus -55 when he was on the floor.


                          Honestly? People who don't watch Iguodala play a lot just don't see how valuable he truly is to that warriors team.

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                          • Hassan Darkside
                            We Here
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 7561

                            #133
                            Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

                            Originally posted by MGSW
                            The league average in PER is 15.

                            Iguodala held opposing shooting guards to a PER of 14. And opposing SFs to a PER of 10. He turns legit players into scrubs.

                            Opponents eFG% when he's on the floor is 2% lower than it is when he's on the bench.

                            The assisted FG% allowed with him on the floor is 4% lower.

                            Opponents score more, assist more and turn the ball over less when Iguodala is on the bench.

                            The only other non-point guard players that had more secondary assists per game last season were James Harden and Manu Ginobili.


                            As for not locking down LeBron?

                            When Kawhi defended LeBron in the finals, LeBron managed to shoot 57% from the field (2014). When Iguodala defended him this year LeBron averaged just 35.1 percent from the field.

                            The Cavs were plus -30 with Iguodala on the bench. And minus -55 when he was on the floor.


                            Honestly? People who don't watch Iguodala play a lot just don't see how valuable he truly is to that warriors team.
                            And exactly what ratings do these on/off or +/- stats correlate to?
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                            • tt500
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                              • Jul 2015
                              • 749

                              #134
                              Re: Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

                              Simply put iggy impacted the last 3 games he started by changing the entire series into the Warriors favor. It was the small things he does on the court with his defensive iq and all-around team skills that helped the Warriors win.

                              Finals MVP doesn't mean he put up the best stats, its because of his impact that they won so he deserved the award.

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                              • Sundown
                                MVP
                                • Oct 2010
                                • 3270

                                #135
                                Andre Iguodala is a 77 Overall

                                Originally posted by MGSW
                                LOL... you casual fans and your reliance on basic box score numbers is hilarious.



                                Check his on/off numbers. Check his advanced metrics. He's one of the most impacful players in the entire league. The fact that you think my entire argument is based on one award only goes to show you haven't read all my posts.



                                And he was more valuable than Steph. Steph was struggling early on, Iguodala locked down LeBron. Absolutely owned him. No other player in the league right now can do that, aside from Leonard.

                                While I agree with a lot of your take here especially concerning his advanced metrics, I would disagree he was clearly more valuable than Steph. Steph only struggled one game, where the entire team went 5-35 from three and Mo couldn't finish a dunk. Iguodala benefitted enormously from getting so many open looks because of Steph, who was still shooting around 50% outside of Game 2. Of course he stepped up and was GSW's best defender, so I'm fine with the award for his consistency and rising vastly above expectations on the offensive end.

                                And the picture Rashidi paints of Iguodala "not having a pulse" until Finals is off base. Iguodala was very spry even in the first round, partly because of Kerr having maintained his minutes, and partly because he likely shared more minutes with the starters as GSW went towards a playoff rotation. Iguodala's struggles through the season were due to three things-- his new and awkward role off the bench when he is better as a facilitator to more talented offense players, his free throw mental issues, and his lingering hammy and knee issues. But he was only a year removed from being the league's highest RAPM player.

                                Draymond and Iguodala are alike in being defensive beasts with inconsistent personal offense who are actually intelligent enough on offense to still be a force multiplier. While Green is on the rise and Iguodala is tapering downwards, the improvement from one player vs. the seeming drop from other may also have a lot to with the lineups they played in (as they were in reverse roles the year earlier). Green's offense was horrible when constrained to playing with GSW's bench mob. He became tremendously impactful when he started playing heavy minutes alongside starters as well.
                                Last edited by Sundown; 09-17-2015, 10:02 AM.

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