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  • ch46647
    MVP
    • Aug 2006
    • 3515

    #31
    Re: How do you guys use defensive settings?

    Originally posted by DC
    So you wouldn't want to pre-rotate too much off of a shooter. I can go through and break down my logic when it comes to setting these sliders pre-game

    On Ball Pressure
    Gap: Non threat, Non Shooter (Tony Allen)
    Moderate: Decent shooter, or vs someone that can blow by you (Andre Iguadola)
    Tight: Good shooter that you can also stay in front of. (Klay Thompson)
    Smother: Good shooter but I only use this vs. someone that can't really handle the ball. If you smother Kyrie, you will get burned. (Kyle Korver)

    Off Ball Pressure : Be careful here because you also have to think about preventing offensive rebounding.
    Gap: Non threat, Non Shooter (Tony Allen)
    Moderate: Decent shooter (Eric Bledsoe); Non-threats but are good rebounders.
    Tight: vs. Good shooters (Kyle Korver); You can also use this vs. great rebounders but you probably would want to help off of him so use at your discretion.
    Smother: Use this when you are playing a great offensive threat. But be careful because you might give up backdoor cuts.

    Force Direction
    I force everything to the baseline. Point blank, I don't want to give up any middle penetration.

    On-Ball Screen and Off-Ball Screen You really only need to use this vs. people that will be the ball-handler in a PnR situation. So don't worry about setting this vs. Dwight
    Go Over: Shooter
    Go Under: Non-Shooter
    Switch: I use vs vs. non-offensive threats. I also use this for people that won't really blow by my non-center bigs. You have to think about your 1-4 and their ability to stay in front of the player you are setting it up for.
    Ice: Use this when you want the on-ball DEFENDER to force the ball-handler away from the screen. I would only use this when the on-ball defender is a strong defender. I wish this could be situational because I would only want to use this on the sideline pNr situations.

    Hedge
    No-Hedge: Use this vs. an absolute non-threat perimeter player (Tony Allen)
    Soft Hedge: I would use this against someone that isn't going to KILL you and won't probably look to score most of the time once they turn the corner. (PJ Tucker)
    Hard Hedge: If you know this dude is going to turn that corner and look to score, use the hard hedge. (Bledsoe)
    Double: Now, if this player can turn the corner and attack AND he has the ability to look for others out of the PnR situation, I would double him. (LeBron)


    Hedge (Center)
    See the hedge section above, but you need to know who your center is. Depends on his footspeed (quickness) and on-ball defense IQ
    Soft: Non-athlete vs a scorer
    Hard: Athletic vs a scorer
    No-Hedge: Non-athlete vs. a non offensive threat
    Double: Use at your judgement, but if your Center is too slow, he might struggle even getting into doubling position in time. You might get split honestly.

    Post
    Front: If I front a player, I am doubling from the weakside. If I am getting killed by a player in the post, I will front him. I don't usually START off fronting anyone
    Behind: If I am playing a non-post threat, I always play behind because I am not worried about them honestly.
    3/4 Top: If I am playing against a post threat, I will start off with this. Again, this ties into my theory of forcing everything baseline. This shades your offensive player to the baseline.
    3/4 Bottom: If you want to shade the player to the middle of the court (where your help can be sent) you can use this option. I sometimes trick people I play by putting this setting on a BAD post player so they can think they see an advantage. Again, use with discretion.

    Double Teams:
    Self Explanatory

    One of the most informative, and well written posts I have ever seen on these forums. This should get a sticky..

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    • ch46647
      MVP
      • Aug 2006
      • 3515

      #32
      Re: How do you guys use defensive settings?

      Originally posted by DC
      So pre-rotate should be called, "Pre-Rotate OFF OF."

      So if I have Klay Thompson's defensive profile open in my coach settings, I would NOT pre-rotate off of him because he will make me pay. You would pre-rotate off of someone you wouldn't mind leaving open to go help
      Should we pre-rotate off of big men? Or will that just leave them wide open in the paint? Sounds like we should only pre-rotate off of 1-3 (guards) who cannot shoot..

      Also, could you shed some light on how we should set defensive settings for big men? (Particularly on-ball and off ball pressure)

      You set the context for how to guard players based on their ability to shoot. Most big men cannot shoot (with the exception of a stretch 4), but I am curious on how we should set them to be defended, or just leave them in "AUTO".

      Maybe you could break it up as follows..

      Stretch 4 (Kevin Love, Draymond Green)
      Elite Scoring 4 (in the post)
      Elite Scoring Center
      Average Center/ 4 man

      Thanks in advance for any insight you can provide. This thread is phenomenal!!
      Last edited by ch46647; 10-04-2015, 04:28 AM.

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      • EarvGotti
        MVP
        • Nov 2009
        • 2249

        #33
        Re: How do you guys use defensive settings?

        Originally posted by thevardano
        Guys, please tell me what defensive settings should I have so my perimeter guys would never come to help to defend pick n roll's? They always leave good shooters open.

        Even when I have off ball pressure set on tight for all and I have set limit perimeter shots, perimeter players still come to help to defend pNr and this is where a lot of points I give up. Thanks
        Try deny ball instead of playing tight.
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        PG) Gary Payton
        SG) '95-'96 Michael Jordan
        SF) Sapphire Scottie Pippen
        PF) '95-'96 Dennis Rodman
        C) Hakeem Olajuwon

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        • scotthedge
          Rookie
          • Jan 2012
          • 131

          #34
          Re: How do you guys use defensive settings?

          Do you guys set defensive settings for every player you play against or just gifted problem players? I usually keep it on auto for non stars but this probably screws up defense for switches/hedging on good players I imagine. I only play on all star so I'll probably get smoked on hof. HOF was too playable last year. I sense this won't be a problem this year. I really wish lightly contested layups with nonstars would go in more.

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          • DC
            Hall Of Fame
            • Oct 2002
            • 17996

            #35
            Re: How do you guys use defensive settings?

            Yea I am not sure about Pre-Rotating off of Big Men as that can lead to giving up a lot of Offensive Rebounds and then folks will start crying that OBREB is broken
            Concrete evidence/videos please

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            • DC
              Hall Of Fame
              • Oct 2002
              • 17996

              #36
              Re: How do you guys use defensive settings?

              Originally posted by scotthedge
              Do you guys set defensive settings for every player you play against or just gifted problem players? I usually keep it on auto for non stars but this probably screws up defense for switches/hedging on good players I imagine. I only play on all star so I'll probably get smoked on hof. HOF was too playable last year. I sense this won't be a problem this year. I really wish lightly contested layups with nonstars would go in more.
              Nah I do it for EVERYONE because how you defend one player indirectly influences how you defend the rest.

              For example, me sagging off of Tony Allen indirectly puts me in closer proximity to Zach or Marc Gasol if they have the ball in the post. I don't AUTO ANYTHING
              Concrete evidence/videos please

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              • redux1000
                Banned
                • Aug 2015
                • 209

                #37
                How do you guys use defensive settings?

                Would not recommend using hard hedge. Cpu teammates are so dumb and the hedge guy can never get back to cover his guy or pick up whoever is then open. Rotations in general are horrendous and often have no rhyme or reason


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                • mrkayjay
                  Rookie
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 68

                  #38
                  Re: How do you guys use defensive settings?

                  Originally posted by redux1000
                  Would not recommend using hard hedge. Cpu teammates are so dumb and the hedge guy can never get back to cover his guy or pick up whoever is then open. Rotations in general are horrendous and often have no rhyme or reason


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                  I was told not to use hard hedge, but it does work. You have to use it wisely and don't start off using it. Don't hard hedge more than one person. The most important part with hard hedge is knowing what kind of Center you have, and set your pre rotations. So if you set pre rotation to players who aren't killing you at the moment, you will know where your help is coming from.

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                  • ch46647
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 3515

                    #39
                    Re: How do you guys use defensive settings?

                    Originally posted by ch46647
                    Should we pre-rotate off of big men? Or will that just leave them wide open in the paint? Sounds like we should only pre-rotate off of 1-3 (guards) who cannot shoot..

                    Also, could you shed some light on how we should set defensive settings for big men? (Particularly on-ball and off ball pressure)

                    You set the context for how to guard players based on their ability to shoot. Most big men cannot shoot (with the exception of a stretch 4), but I am curious on how we should set them to be defended, or just leave them in "AUTO".

                    Maybe you could break it up as follows..

                    Stretch 4 (Kevin Love, Draymond Green)
                    Elite Scoring 4 (in the post)
                    Elite Scoring Center
                    Average Center/ 4 man

                    Thanks in advance for any insight you can provide. This thread is phenomenal!!
                    Bump... Simply because this is an incredibly informative thread.

                    IMO this deserves a sticky.

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                    • 8KB24
                      MVP
                      • Jun 2012
                      • 2106

                      #40
                      Re: How do you guys use defensive settings?

                      Can someone say what kind of defensive oiptions would Indy with Hibbert use? I have him with Lakers and he's a beast down low and in the paint defensively. I don't hedge with him at all and play 'gap' on his matchups and I force all players middle because I feel more comfortable having Kobe/Clarkson funnel players t Hibbert and not them taking them 1v1.

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                      • noodlebombz
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2015
                        • 30

                        #41
                        Re: How do you guys use defensive settings?

                        Originally posted by DC
                        So you wouldn't want to pre-rotate too much off of a shooter. I can go through and break down my logic when it comes to setting these sliders pre-game

                        On Ball Pressure
                        Gap: Non threat, Non Shooter (Tony Allen)
                        Moderate: Decent shooter, or vs someone that can blow by you (Andre Iguadola)
                        Tight: Good shooter that you can also stay in front of. (Klay Thompson)
                        Smother: Good shooter but I only use this vs. someone that can't really handle the ball. If you smother Kyrie, you will get burned. (Kyle Korver)

                        Off Ball Pressure : Be careful here because you also have to think about preventing offensive rebounding.
                        Gap: Non threat, Non Shooter (Tony Allen)
                        Moderate: Decent shooter (Eric Bledsoe); Non-threats but are good rebounders.
                        Tight: vs. Good shooters (Kyle Korver); You can also use this vs. great rebounders but you probably would want to help off of him so use at your discretion.
                        Smother: Use this when you are playing a great offensive threat. But be careful because you might give up backdoor cuts.

                        Force Direction
                        I force everything to the baseline. Point blank, I don't want to give up any middle penetration.

                        On-Ball Screen and Off-Ball Screen You really only need to use this vs. people that will be the ball-handler in a PnR situation. So don't worry about setting this vs. Dwight
                        Go Over: Shooter
                        Go Under: Non-Shooter
                        Switch: I use vs vs. non-offensive threats. I also use this for people that won't really blow by my non-center bigs. You have to think about your 1-4 and their ability to stay in front of the player you are setting it up for.
                        Ice: Use this when you want the on-ball DEFENDER to force the ball-handler away from the screen. I would only use this when the on-ball defender is a strong defender. I wish this could be situational because I would only want to use this on the sideline pNr situations.

                        Hedge
                        No-Hedge: Use this vs. an absolute non-threat perimeter player (Tony Allen)
                        Soft Hedge: I would use this against someone that isn't going to KILL you and won't probably look to score most of the time once they turn the corner. (PJ Tucker)
                        Hard Hedge: If you know this dude is going to turn that corner and look to score, use the hard hedge. (Bledsoe)
                        Double: Now, if this player can turn the corner and attack AND he has the ability to look for others out of the PnR situation, I would double him. (LeBron)


                        Hedge (Center)
                        See the hedge section above, but you need to know who your center is. Depends on his footspeed (quickness) and on-ball defense IQ
                        Soft: Non-athlete vs a scorer
                        Hard: Athletic vs a scorer
                        No-Hedge: Non-athlete vs. a non offensive threat
                        Double: Use at your judgement, but if your Center is too slow, he might struggle even getting into doubling position in time. You might get split honestly.

                        Post
                        Front: If I front a player, I am doubling from the weakside. If I am getting killed by a player in the post, I will front him. I don't usually START off fronting anyone
                        Behind: If I am playing a non-post threat, I always play behind because I am not worried about them honestly.
                        3/4 Top: If I am playing against a post threat, I will start off with this. Again, this ties into my theory of forcing everything baseline. This shades your offensive player to the baseline.
                        3/4 Bottom: If you want to shade the player to the middle of the court (where your help can be sent) you can use this option. I sometimes trick people I play by putting this setting on a BAD post player so they can think they see an advantage. Again, use with discretion.

                        Double Teams:
                        Self Explanatory
                        DC, thx you man! I've taken a screenshot of your post due to how informative & helpful it is. Again, thx you!

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                        • ataman5
                          MVP
                          • Jun 2007
                          • 2620

                          #42
                          Re: How do you guys use defensive settings?

                          This is a great thread that needs to be up top all the time. Thank you for all that great info.


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                          • LemonHeart
                            Rookie
                            • Sep 2013
                            • 129

                            #43
                            Re: How do you guys use defensive settings?

                            Good stuff

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                            • DC
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 17996

                              #44
                              Re: How do you guys use defensive settings?

                              Scott OG said to put pre-rotate to players that

                              A. Have a high tendency to score as the ROLL MAN in PnR situations
                              B. Lethal scorers
                              Concrete evidence/videos please

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                              • LorenzoDC
                                MVP
                                • Sep 2010
                                • 1857

                                #45
                                Re: How do you guys use defensive settings?

                                Originally posted by DC
                                Scott OG said to put pre-rotate to players that

                                A. Have a high tendency to score as the ROLL MAN in PnR situations
                                B. Lethal scorers
                                Well, I've seen different descriptions for exactly what the setting does.

                                So, if I set pre-rotate to ON for Boogie, will that make his defender cheat away from him or will it make other defenders near him rotate to be sure he's covered?

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