Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Matches??

[GoodOldMachine]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

Lol @ The patch Shall...that made me chuckle for some reason.

How often do you guys see these long 'football passes' go out of bounds in real life?

Not trying to jam you man, but I don't see an issue. Stop trying so hard for the offensive rebound and get back on D, make that the number 1 priority.

I dont try for the Offensive Rebound. What i do is running back on D super super super quickly with Kawhi Leonard (a top perimeter defender), or with a quick guard. My defensive players are way slower than my opponent cherrypicker player. Its like a bug in which the offensive player cherrypicking got a speed boost and there is no way to stop it on time.

But running back and forth in every single play its not realistic. If 2k patches this, (which 2k did in 2k13), this issue would be solved successfully.

[reptilexcq]

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I never experience this problem...if it work it should be a part of the game. I don't want to see a game where someone is wide open and for some unknown reason no matter how many times u try to pass the ball up the court...the ball just fly over your head...it's just ******** especially when no defender is around. Now if a defender is around or close to you, then it's fine to have it fly over head. They still have that long passes around the sideline where the guy who caught the ball pretend to struggle and get out of bound but i think they fixed it because sometimes he does stay inbound.

Now the problem u r describing maybe true because the offensive player jet up pretty quickly once they got the rebound so if a user control a player and started to jet up the court....the cpu Would not be able to keep up. But in real life i imagine it work too but also got burned by leaving someone wide open.

[GoodOldMachine]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

I never experience this problem...if it work it should be a part of the game. I don't want to see a game where someone is wide open and for some unknown reason no matter how many times u try to pass the ball up the court...the ball just fly over your head...it's just ******** especially when no defender is around. Now if a defender is around or close to you, then it's fine to have it fly over head. They still have that long passes around the sideline where the guy who caught the ball pretend to struggle and get out of bound but i think they fixed it because sometimes he does stay inbound.

The root of the problem is that my D runs way slower than my opponent cherrypicker. It feels like a A.I. (artificial intelligence) of the game gives a boost of quickness or speed to the cherrypicker and slower my D players who are running back on D.

Believe me, I run back on D as soon as I shot.

[TheBallGuru]

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I don't have unrealistic expectations. The problem is that the cherry picking & football passes were already eliminated since 2k13. In other words, 2k13, 2k14 and 2k15 didn't have this concern.

No since 2k13 it was extremely unrealistic. Every outlet pass went out of bounds. Do I have to pull up some videos of how often this happens in real life? I bet people are abusing it but that doesn't mean it's not a realistic basketball play, it is and it's used quite often in the nba. Guys may be using it every play and exploiting the feature but I'd much rather be able to make a realistic long pass then make a long outlet and have the guy stumble unrealistically and fall out of bounds instead of catching a pass that a 4th grader could catch. That was honestly one of the most unrealistic things in 2k the last few years. It boggles my mind that you would rather have a wide open guy stumble out of bounds on a routine outlet pass, that's a play I don't think I've ever seen anyone in basketball history do, guys in the NBA can make outlet passes down the court if much rather be able to complete this pass then have a play that has never ever been done in the game of basketball.

[strawberryshortcake]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

This topic is exclusively for ONLINE Quick Rank Matches (my main and only mode):

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7 out of 10 Online games i'm experiencing this exploit. Cheesers are abusing it. No matter how good defense i put, or how well a put my coaching settings or defense emphasis or "limit transition",etc etc etcccc,,, my opponents cherry pickers are wayyyyy too fast and my defense is tooooo LOW to get back into the paint to stop the cherry pick.

The root of the problem is: long football passes are way too accurate and unrealistic.

This MUST be patched ASAP. It is destroying the SIM experience for Online mode. By the way, I think this is the only exploit I've found so far.

The patch shall:

1- increase the Defense speed in order to get back soon and stop the cherry picker.

2- decrease (or eliminate to a decent extent) the accuracy of those long football passes which feed the cherry pick.

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I know people will start arguing: "so if the cheeser if cherrypicking, it means its a 5 vs 4 mismatch so there shouldn't be a problem"

But the problem is: the cheeser is playing 5 vs. 5, but AS SOON AS I shoot (and my opponent sees the ball taking off my player's hand), the cheeser pick up IMMEDIATELY the player closer to the halfcourt line in order to commence the cherrypick. If I miss the shot,,,,BANG!!!!!!!,,,he throws the unrealistic 100% accurate football pass and guess what??? easy 2pts.

I've tried all defense strategies, and don't work.

This is destroying the Online Quick Rank Matches SIM experience. This is the new exploit of the year. I thought it was corrected in 2k12. By the way, the last time i saw effective cherrypicking and unrealistic football passes was in 2k12 Online Mode

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Wouldn't increasing the get back defensive speed wreak havoc on the existing functional fast break system? Do we want to see speed modified again? Is selectively increasing the speed good for the game? Isn't this going to increase the success rate for chase down blocks, and other speed related concerns? Didn't people complain about guys catching up to speedy athletes or something?

[GoodOldMachine]

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No since 2k13 it was extremely unrealistic. Every outlet pass went out of bounds. Do I have to pull up some videos of how often this happens in real life? I bet people are abusing it but that doesn't mean it's not a realistic basketball play, it is and it's used quite often in the nba. Guys may be using it every play and exploiting the feature but I'd much rather be able to make a realistic long pass then make a long outlet and have the guy stumble unrealistically and fall out of bounds instead of catching a pass that a 4th grader could catch. That was honestly one of the most unrealistic things in 2k the last few years. It boggles my mind that you would rather have a wide open guy stumble out of bounds on a routine outlet pass, that's a play I don't think I've ever seen anyone in basketball history do, guys in the NBA can make outlet passes down the court if much rather be able to complete this pass then have a play that has never ever been done in the game of basketball.

So the solutions should be that the D should get back faster in order to defend the cherry picker.
The problem is that they cherrypicker gets a quick & speed boost that supersedes the players running back on D.
If my D gets back quicker, perhaps the problem may be solved.

[GoodOldMachine]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

Wouldn't increasing the get back defensive speed wreak havoc on the existing functional fast break system? Do we want to see speed modified again? Is selectively increasing the speed good for the game? Isn't this going to increase the success rate for chase down blocks, and other speed related concerns? Didn't people complain about guys catching up to speedy athletes or something?

You have a good point. BUT, it's impossible that Kawhi Leornard would be unable to run as quickly as CP3 to defend him in a cherrypicking situation. Thats unrealistic.

I use Spurs 100%. Tony Parker, Leornard, Green have good quickness and speed ratings. Leonard and Green have great defensive ratings. Leonard is a top notch. However, I use them to counter the cherrypicking and you know what???,,,,,they suddenly become slow in a cherrypicking situation. It feels like the game is avoiding the catch up in order to facilitate the fast break.

[whitegravy]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

Had this happen in the Park last night, our team had some bigger guys so their pg would just cherry pick & none of us could even get close to getting back. In theory that's fine, but the problem was more their big man being able to fire a perfect full court pass every time. We sent our pg back to defend but with a perfect pass their pg would catch it make one move then easy midi.

[Da_Czar]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

Any videos ?

[VinsanityLives]

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I really hope this thread stops getting bumped after me because I want little to no changes.

YES people have tried cherry picking/cheesy breaking after every shot for some cheap bucket but in real life these guys can make 3/4 court passes in their sleep. Heck I can make 3/4 court passes in my sleep. I'm SO GLAD they got rid of chucking it over everyone's heads. I don't like the baseline cherry picks everyone who picks the Cavs performs, but I like having an occasional wide open break with an accurate pass...much needed and surely missed past games.

Now I do feel your pain about the defense getting back. I actually grab my center and or power forward and have them SPRINT back to the paint and then go back to on ball. This will eliminate 90% of your problems, while yes annoying at times.

I like having the speed differentials BUT they should REACT faster to a made or missed shot...they tend to fiddle around before they decide to get back on defense as they slowly jog back. THAT can be patched but not the overall speed or passing please. Just have these guys decide to get back faster.

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[ultralow36]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

it now seems like everybody wonts everything in 2k16 patched out......game plays dang good...

[strawberryshortcake]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

Here's my whole take on this cherry pick and a possible solution.

I don't play online, but could 2k simply have playstyle: listed for each opponent, or any flags before you enter a match with the opposition.

If the opposition runs cherry pick all game long or the majority of the game, or even 50% of the game, couldn't 2k simply have a boxed description next to the oppositions user name stating exactly what type of cheese tactics are used (i.e. CHERRY PICKER, etc.).

That way, you could simply back out of the match. That way, most people could simply back out of the match. That way, the cherry pick sees that no opponent wants to play against him.

[Scofield]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

3 pages and no video....

[Kodii Rockets]

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I dont try for the Offensive Rebound. What i do is running back on D super super super quickly with Kawhi Leonard (a top perimeter defender), or with a quick guard. My defensive players are way slower than my opponent cherrypicker player. Its like a bug in which the offensive player cherrypicking got a speed boost and there is no way to stop it on time.

But running back and forth in every single play its not realistic. If 2k patches this, (which 2k did in 2k13), this issue would be solved successfully.

Wait, running back and forth to keep the leak out man from getting buckets is not realistic? Huh?

That's the reason guards aren't supposed to crash, it's alway a man's job to know what's going on and be the first defender back.

If I'm 2 and I shoot, the PG has to get back for the leak out, If the PG shoots, I have to be the one to get back, I'm confused at what you're trying to get at.

[ksuttonjr76]

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I REALLY hope this isn't the case. Personally, I haven't tried this in online games, because I had assumed it would be thrown out of bounds. However, I usually pass it to George Hill, and I run a 2 or 3 on 1 fastbreak, so I don't have to rely on cherry picking.

I understand it's somewhat part of the game, but how often to do you really see touchdown passes from the PF/C to the backcourt players? There's a reason why frontcourt players don't have high assist numbers per year. It's been a LOOOONNNNNNGGGG time since I have seen this problem. However, I absolutely HATED the experience. It forces your offense to play near perfect basketball (assuming that you don't resort to the same tactic). Cheeseheads would take off as soon as the ball was in the air, because defensive rebounds are grabbed at a MUCH higher rate than offensive rebounds. They would grab the rebound, and then chuck it to the other side. If was a power dunker, then you was basically screwed. That's assuming that they didn't throw a pump fake at you, and you go sailing by.

It was difficult to defend, because it was hard to catch/deflect the pass out of the air even when you KNEW it was coming. Then comes the next step of the cheddar process...UNREALISTIC LINEUPS!!!! Once/If people start to notice this exploit, don't be surprised if you start seeing lineups where they put PFs at the SF spot. At that point, they don't care about scoring in the half-court set. They're only care about getting the rebound and getting the easy cherry pick. On the ball defense....WON'T happen, because people will rely on the AI to do it for them this year especially considering how people are already complaining about it being "too hard" to get pass the CPU. I remember playing against this nonsense back in the day (can't remember which year it was) where people would do this tactic on EVERY possession. It wasn't uncommon to see a FG% above 70 with this tactic.

I don't care what anyone says. If this exploit is possible, then it needs to patched or addressed.