Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Matches??

[GoodOldMachine]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

Don't change a thing. The most unrealistic aspect of the game is the missed long passes I could throw or catch. Wade and LeBron were converting 80 foot alley oops....but supposed fans of realism want Tim Duncan throwing balls to the stands on an outlet?


You want something changed talk about the defense not nba players successfully competing passes you and I could do at a 90% rate.

Maybe you are not understanding the big picture in here.


Its not about that NBA players can throw 90% accuracy football passes.


The issue here is that the cherrypicker player (the one that starts running back as soon as the ball takes off from the shooter) is extremely quick (for an unknown reason) and its almost impossible to catch him up.


Because its like the cherrypicker gets a speed boost and no matter how quick and fast your D is, you will never catch him up at the other side to counter and contest his easy layups. But if the cherrypicker is a power dunker or if he is Lebron/Durant/Melo playing as PG the entire game, then you are officially DONE with this exploit.


If 2k gives the D a decent speed and quickness to counter the cherrypick, then I will have no problem with the accuracy of the football pass because I will be able to get back to D to contest the cherrypicker.


Think about it: How many cherrypicking do you see in real NBA games? Ive not seen more than 2 per games (not even in the 2006 Nash-Suns era when this team had a ridiculous fast offensive game).


In real NBA games it doesn't happen because transition D is quick and the cherrypicker will face a quick guard contesting his layup.


Im just asking for real SIM transition D with effective quickness and speed to counter this exploit. My transition D seems to be glued at the time to run back on D.

[bo.jangles344]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

Simple and very easy explanation to solve your problem: can't beat em, join em. Simply clog the paint, force them into outside shots and run the fast break yourself.

Honestly, why people don't understand a level playing field isn't the best type of strategy is beyond me.

This is why ace was implemented.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

Simple and very easy explanation to solve your problem: can't beat em, join em. Simply clog the paint, force them into outside shots and run the fast break yourself.

Honestly, why people don't understand a level playing field isn't the best type of strategy is beyond me.

This is why ace was implemented.

And it's that exact mentality why NBA 2K games sometimes turn into online cheesefest...if you can't beat them, then join them but do it harder. Some players are not wired like that. I have never relied on cheese tactics to win games.

Cherry picking on every possession don't even sound like a fun experience to me, and it's definitely not real basketball.

[Yesh2kdone]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

I'm sure I'll read a thread one day complaining that an opponent who scored more baskets than someone else, was using "scoring the basketball cheese".

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

I'm sure I'll read a thread one day complaining that an opponent who scored more baskets than someone else, was using "scoring the basketball cheese".

Didn't make sense...

I would be interested in seeing video footage of a team on ANY level cherry picking on every possession. If you have some, feel free to post it.

[Yesh2kdone]

Didn't make sense...

I would be interested in seeing video footage of a team on ANY level cherry picking on every possession. If you have some, feel free to post it.

Sarcasm. Absolutely anything in this game that is successful is considered by someone else to be cheese.

[ataman5]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

I don't know if it helps you or not but most of the guys play the game and don't know much about a basketball defense rule is that don't shoot if you're the closest to your own basket, which in return means a must for defender to leak out on offense and if the shot missed your d is nowhere near that guy already leaked out.
This translates in the game for years and it's one of the must know for guys who actually played basketball 5 on 5.
So maybe this can help you out.


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[quitdabull]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

I been doing outlet passes since ps2

In recent years My passes fly out of bounds more than they should only because i play with weak teams

Using a good team or player like Melo those passes never fly out of bounds .. Favortism is heavy in 2k

As far as it being cheese i wouldnt say it is. Its a part of defensive strategy . Stop taking dumb shots and being repetitive on offense. Mix it up and keep the opponent on his heels.

Stop crashing and run in transition

[GoodOldMachine]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

I been doing outlet passes since ps2

In recent years My passes fly out of bounds more than they should only because i play with weak teams

Using a good team or player like Melo those passes never fly out of bounds .. Favortism is heavy in 2k

As far as it being cheese i wouldnt say it is. Its a part of defensive strategy . Stop taking dumb shots and being repetitive on offense. Mix it up and keep the opponent on his heels.

Stop crashing and run in transition

First, you are admitting your are doing cherrypicking since ps2. So you are a confessed cheeser. Congrats!

Second, i take smart shots. Its not about making dumb shots or being repetitive on offense. Its about my transition D that is extremely slow and the cherrypicker gets a speed boost to complete the cherrypick. If, in addition, you add Melo/Lebron/Durant playing as a PG all game long, then you are screwed and unable to stop the cherry picking.

[Dlee3]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

Yea, this most def need tweaking. On Pro-AM I play a PF with a 30 something passing and I be looking like Aaron Rodgers with my passing.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

Sarcasm. Absolutely anything in this game that is successful is considered by someone else to be cheese.

So you like cherry picking on every possession, and you think that's a "good" offense? Perhaps you're not grasping what's being explained here...

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

I don't know if it helps you or not but most of the guys play the game and don't know much about a basketball defense rule is that don't shoot if you're the closest to your own basket, which in return means a must for defender to leak out on offense and if the shot missed your d is nowhere near that guy already leaked out.
This translates in the game for years and it's one of the must know for guys who actually played basketball 5 on 5.
So maybe this can help you out.


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No, it didn't. I spent 15 minutes trying to decipher your statements, then I just gave up.

[quitdabull]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

First, you are admitting your are doing cherrypicking since ps2. So you are a confessed cheeser. Congrats!

Second, i take smart shots. Its not about making dumb shots or being repetitive on offense. Its about my transition D that is extremely slow and the cherrypicker gets a speed boost to complete the cherrypick. If, in addition, you add Melo/Lebron/Durant playing as a PG all game long, then you are screwed and unable to stop the cherry picking.

Dude i played 2k15 online and seen the ultimate cheese . I play legit on ball Defense and hardly ever shoot 3s

My defense causes turnovers and bad shots so i got dudes ready for the fastbreak all the time. I play with low rated teams and long passes fly out of bounds. How is that cheesing if it doesnt even work out for me?

I agree with boosts tho. Like i said before certain players and teams get special boosts throughout the game while i miss dunks and cant complete an easy 2 on 1 fastbreak because Lebron all of a sudden turns to rodman in the paint

At the end of the day if the only bad thing is cherry picking i can roll with that.

[Young Coaches]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

This topic is exclusively for ONLINE Quick Rank Matches (my main and only mode):



7 out of 10 Online games i'm experiencing this exploit. Cheesers are abusing it. No matter how good defense i put, or how well a put my coaching settings or defense emphasis or "limit transition",etc etc etcccc,,, my opponents cherry pickers are wayyyyy too fast and my defense is tooooo LOW to get back into the paint to stop the cherry pick.



The root of the problem is: long football passes are way too accurate and unrealistic.



This MUST be patched ASAP. It is destroying the SIM experience for Online mode. By the way, I think this is the only exploit I've found so far.



The patch shall:



1- increase the Defense speed in order to get back soon and stop the cherry picker.



2- decrease (or eliminate to a decent extent) the accuracy of those long football passes which feed the cherry pick.



I know people will start arguing: "so if the cheeser if cherrypicking, it means its a 5 vs 4 mismatch so there shouldn't be a problem"



But the problem is: the cheeser is playing 5 vs. 5, but AS SOON AS I shoot (and my opponent sees the ball taking off my player's hand), the cheeser pick up IMMEDIATELY the player closer to the halfcourt line in order to commence the cherrypick. If I miss the shot,,,,BANG!!!!!!!,,,he throws the unrealistic 100% accurate football pass and guess what??? easy 2pts.



I've tried all defense strategies, and don't work.



This is destroying the Online Quick Rank Matches SIM experience. This is the new exploit of the year. I thought it was corrected in 2k12. By the way, the last time i saw effective cherrypicking and unrealistic football passes was in 2k12 Online Mode.

It'd be interesting to know what team you're using. Duncan does this to me every time, I have to play zones and manually turbo him back. I give him much needed rest and let my bench play while also calling time outs because I need my center to be under the basket at all times.

As far as patches go, I just think that the AI also has been jolted w/ so much intelligence on defense that, you can't do much without giving the ball up. Campers will trump over on ball defenders for this reason. When you look at the fact that, the screens are iced, the help is pushing your ball handler, refs not calling the "riding the hip" defense... It's annoying. I've been forced to throw my game back on the shelf and play Forza & madden for crying out loud. So yeah, I do agree that a patch is much needed. Just for those particular reasons.


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[Sundown]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

I'm pretty sure it was the Kings owner or vlade divac who suggested that the Kings play 4 on 5 on defense so that they could always have someone standing by the basket for an easy fast break or cherry pick

And he was ridiculed up and down for it.