Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

[shayellis]

Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

keep up the good work dolfan

[DolfanDave]

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keep up the good work dolfan

Don't worry I ain't going no where until I can play offline like I have since the inception of 2k. I've been here on OS for over 13 years mainly for intel gathering and tips and I never had a problem so bad for me that I spoke out because usually I adjusted and was able to find sliders and settings to get it to work. Well 2k16 just isn't working for me offline so until it do I will be vocal . Madden is getting better but 2k is all I have left in the sporting genre that I could count on year after year with the offline mode. I guess to sum it up 2k is my "baby" and all of a sudden she ain't acting right and I want her back so bad lol

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[joosegoose]

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Most of the time it is during transition defense. In that clip above even though you didn't show it before half court. I know for a fact that that was after a missed shot because I see the 2 players zoning the ball handler in synchronization I might add long after the ballhandler past half court. There is no reason for the man in the paint to protect a fastbreak that isn't happening. So he continue to stay there which cause other players to react since one man is guarding nobody which leads to the wide open shot. In 2k15 that wouldn't have happened. At worst it would have been a mix match. If they could just have the 2 preprogrammed break the zone earlier like in 2k15 for patch 4 that would help immensely. But for 2k17 they need completely overhaul transition defense logic as it has now past it expiration date so to speak.

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You're right, it was just after transition, the replay only went back so far. The CPU likes to pack the paint for no reason which leaves too many wide open outside shots.

[DolfanDave]

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You're right, it was just after transition, the replay only went back so far. The CPU likes to pack the paint for no reason which leaves too many wide open outside shots.

Yep because 2 players continued to play zone long after the ballhandler crosses half court which causes what I call the "the huddle"(ie 4 -5 players defensive player in arm length in the paint) while wing players are wide open. I keep repeating this on purpose because if the devs can clean this up then it would greatly improve transition defense.

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[JoFri]

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watched an awful game between the nyk and uta irl last night. for a moment i thought carmelo anthony was coded with 2k poor transition def ... he missed a shot after a screen from lopez. end up lopez was the one running back to chase down instead of anthony the shooter himself. he wasnt hurt or anything.

back to 2k, do players have run back in transition defense tendency? if yes, put 0 on carmelo to replicate this irl. then we see players like this wander around half court animations while the cpu runs on the break.

[DolfanDave]

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watched an awful game between the nyk and uta irl last night. for a moment i thought carmelo anthony was coded with 2k poor transition def ... he missed a shot after a screen from lopez. end up lopez was the one running back to chase down instead of anthony the shooter himself. he wasnt hurt or anything.

back to 2k, do players have run back in transition defense tendency? if yes, put 0 on carmelo to replicate this irl. then we see players like this wander around half court animations while the cpu runs on the break.

You ask a question that I will be purposing for 2k17. Which is give the defense more tools and offline gamers more setting geared toward transition and help defense .

Quick example would be give us the tool to decide who help on d . Even with double teams I would like to choose who I want to double team. As far as transition let me have the option to have transition defense set to manual so I run one guy myself back or not that way guys aren't being controlled by the 2k gods creating a fastbreak that don't exist.

As far as computer ai setting for transition defense I haven't gotten into deep thought on that yet but your "transition run the hell back" slider would be a start or "always stay with your man on transition" slider [emoji6]

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[keshunleon]

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This has been a issue since 2011 with the CPU sprinting back to play transition defense.

2K14 I noticed the defenders would run back and run to the middle of the paint, it caused a lot of bad defenses and switches.

This needs to be fixed ASAP!

This happens with every team yet there are players that don't even run back on defense, James Harden.

[JoFri]

Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

This has been a issue since 2011 with the CPU sprinting back to play transition defense.

2K14 I noticed the defenders would run back and run to the middle of the paint, it caused a lot of bad defenses and switches.

This needs to be fixed ASAP!

This happens with every team yet there are players that don't even run back on defense, James Harden.

seriously i didnt see these issues in past 2k. i played alot in 2k13 and 2k15, and i dont have to consiciously controlling my big man to run back on defense.

well, perhaps we can look forward to patch 4? Lol

[DolfanDave]

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seriously i didnt see these issues in past 2k. i played alot in 2k13 and 2k15, and i dont have to consiciously controlling my big man to run back on defense.

well, perhaps we can look forward to patch 4? Lol

He is correct about the 2 preprogrammed players running to the middle and causing mixmatch and I am with you in that I didn't notice while playing 2k15 until after playing 2k16. But that's because it wasn't so bad to me to notice. This year it is extremely bad that I did notice because. .

1. They break out of the zone too late as I described earlier with video .

2. Slow moving defensive players in transition

3.offball defenders strafing due to some weird obsession with ball handler instead of running back with there own defender in transition. Side note I have even seen them run in transition with there defender and as I pass the ball after rebound to my pg they slow down and toward the pg further distancing themselves from there defender.

4. Bump animation is too drawn out so when your own players even barely touch it goes into an over exaggerated animation. Which is why you see front court player get easy open dunks even after made shoots.

5. Advancement in the offensive ai by the czar.

All these things have made it blatantly noticeable to where something has to change for me. The extreme imbalance exposes things you didn't possibly see before because even stuff I do see for me it is a video game so you just deal with and make it work.

Well I can't make this work offline as it is too much that is not fixable with settings/sliders that effects the outcome of my games whether I win or lose. Especially in close games where I feel I won or lost not based on my skill or mistake I made but because the defense did something

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[Hustle Westbrook]

Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

This has been a issue since 2011 with the CPU sprinting back to play transition defense.

2K14 I noticed the defenders would run back and run to the middle of the paint, it caused a lot of bad defenses and switches.

This needs to be fixed ASAP!

This happens with every team yet there are players that don't even run back on defense, James Harden.

I've never seen such terrible transition defense like the one in this game.

Not to mention opponents running "fastbreaks" after a made free throw is a normal occurrence on this game. I've never seen such lack of awareness on the defensive end by the ai in a 2K game before.

[ForeverVersatile]

Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

Does anyone see their players have a hard time getting into position when they get back on defense? Basically I can't control them because there trying to figure out where to stand. My point guard is going near the wing then before the ball is inbounded he then tries to come to the top of the key. It's very annoying to look at.


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[DolfanDave]

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Does anyone see their players have a hard time getting into position when they get back on defense? Basically I can't control them because there trying to figure out where to stand. My point guard is going near the wing then before the ball is inbounded he then tries to come to the top of the key. It's very annoying to look at.


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I know exactly what you are talking about. That isn't a real problem for me because I just take control and move back into place but playing offline I have no control of the other team which is why online I can deal with it but offline is a problem. Let me add that online is bad also and all the weird defensive glitches causes you to feel like it is 9 vs 1 so I'm not saying online is good but it is more controllable . But this is the worst 2k as far as balanced game play for me. Offensively/modes/features it is the best but defensively it is the worst.

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[JoFri]

Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

hate to see these defenses lapses in the playoffs where every possession counts

http://youtu.be/eNPZ66IUFws

[DolfanDave]

Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

Post patch 4 same issues I discussed when starting this thread examples below:
Let me just add that all these problem occurred in the first quarter and this was just a sample so it seems the issues are about the same meaning more than I would personally like that effects the game negatively when on defense and positively when I am on offense.

First example is the standard player confusion

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Next example is player confusion cause by the preprogrammed 2 man zoning too long after transition d watch mo williams.

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Next example is the "man crush" and "the huddle"

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The last example is I have the ball 3.9 seconds left in the quarter watch what mo williams allow me to do and when he finally figure it out watch his over exaggerated action and the exaggerated bump animation that makes his attempted recovery comical

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[Hustle Westbrook]

Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

Yeah, I highly doubt this is going to get fixed any further this year. Probably gonna have to wait until 2K17. A shame.