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  • RTMG007
    Rookie
    • Sep 2012
    • 198

    #106
    Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

    Originally posted by Caelumfang
    Um, us smart players avoid going in for layups and dunks when we have an open shot. We realize how vicious the interior defense is this year with the big men, and we don't want to risk the game giving us terrible layup animation choices to where we get our **** swatted all the way to Namek. That, and we don't like getting Active Handed on the other half of the drives. Plus, we realize that the game just doesn't like to call fouls at random moments of the game, especially when the other team begins to go on a run.

    So no, nothing is 'wrong' with that.
    Yeah I bet lmao

    When 90% of the shots in my park and proam are mid range there is obviously a problem

    When people are shooting 90% on midrange there is obviously a problem

    This issue has been going on since last year if you check my thread history

    You "smart" players literally have no other way to score if not for the abbertion that is mid range shooting in 2k which is why you defend it vehemently

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    • hanzsomehanz
      MVP
      • Oct 2009
      • 3275

      #107
      Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

      I have yet to see a human player turn down a wide open layup in favor of a middy... in over 100 my park games I have yet to see this...

      Some of these stories sound very fabricated

      I, for the most part, give a lot of credit to badges moreso than ratings. It's the badges that take you to higher levels of success and in my career 16 it is much easier than 15 to obtain badges.

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      how could I lose? im playing by my own rules..

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      • Jhawkfootball06
        Pro
        • Jul 2009
        • 559

        #108
        Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

        Originally posted by hanzsomehanz
        I have yet to see a human player turn down a wide open layup in favor of a middy... in over 100 my park games I have yet to see this...

        Some of these stories sound very fabricated

        I, for the most part, give a lot of credit to badges moreso than ratings. It's the badges that take you to higher levels of success and in my career 16 it is much easier than 15 to obtain badges.

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        Play The Stage. I'll be sure to get a recording tonight so that you can see for yourself.

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        • Caelumfang
          MVP
          • Oct 2012
          • 1218

          #109
          Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

          Originally posted by RTMG007
          Yeah I bet lmao

          When 90% of the shots in my park and proam are mid range there is obviously a problem

          When people are shooting 90% on midrange there is obviously a problem

          This issue has been going on since last year if you check my thread history

          You "smart" players literally have no other way to score if not for the abbertion that is mid range shooting in 2k which is why you defend it vehemently
          So, once again, we should just rocket into the paint like idiots just to TRY to draw a foul when:

          1.) The game fails to recognize what a foul is most of the time (ex. The animation when someone, mostly bigs, get completely knocked out of the air, but the foul isn't called 70% of the time)
          2.) The ability to block shots have skyrocketed to where big men DARE you to come into the paint so they can nearly deflate the ball when they send your layup/dunk all the way to the other side of the Pro Am arena
          3.) You run a VERY high risk of getting stripped clean out of your animation by some guard who collapsed suddenly and begins swinging wildly with Pick Pocket

          Right. Since 2k14, I've had my fill of getting Active Handed on nearly every drive, so yes, I'll continue to pull up from midrange when I'm open.

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          • hanzsomehanz
            MVP
            • Oct 2009
            • 3275

            #110
            Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

            Originally posted by FantasyGuy10
            Play The Stage. I'll be sure to get a recording tonight so that you can see for yourself.
            Can you elaborate?

            Why is it exclusive to layups? Wouldn't the player attempt a dunk over a layup? Is the player being chased down or has beaten his man in isolation but observes the paint is guarded so he pulls up?

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            • Caelumfang
              MVP
              • Oct 2012
              • 1218

              #111
              Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

              And to reiterate, see that guy Boss Miller? He's a Center I run with. See those blocks? Yeah, that's the result of people 'running into the paint' trying to draw fouls. Yeah, no thanks.
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              • Jhawkfootball06
                Pro
                • Jul 2009
                • 559

                #112
                Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

                Here's how the shooting percentages should be to match real life. I inflated the percentages upwards a little from real life since this is a Video Game.

                Wide-open Layup or Dunk - 95%
                Wide-open 2-point Jumpshot - 65%
                Wide open 3-point Jumpshot - 35%

                Here's how it is currently.

                Wide-open Layup or Dunk - 95%
                Wide-open 2-point Jumpshot - 90%
                Wide open 3-point Jumpshot - 30%

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                • hanzsomehanz
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 3275

                  #113
                  Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

                  Originally posted by Caelumfang
                  And to reiterate, see that guy Boss Miller? He's a Center I run with. See those blocks? Yeah, that's the result of people 'running into the paint' trying to draw fouls. Yeah, no thanks.
                  It doesn't look so bad when you go without missing a shot and your teammates miss a third of theirs - the opposing team missed a handful as well.

                  I think this shows distinction in good shot selection (shot IQ) as well as shot skill.

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                  how could I lose? im playing by my own rules..

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                  • hanzsomehanz
                    MVP
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 3275

                    #114
                    Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

                    Originally posted by Caelumfang
                    And to reiterate, see that guy Boss Miller? He's a Center I run with. See those blocks? Yeah, that's the result of people 'running into the paint' trying to draw fouls. Yeah, no thanks.
                    Did the opposing team only end up with about 30 points? :shock:

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                    how could I lose? im playing by my own rules..

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                    • RTMG007
                      Rookie
                      • Sep 2012
                      • 198

                      #115
                      Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

                      Originally posted by Caelumfang
                      So, once again, we should just rocket into the paint like idiots just to TRY to draw a foul when:

                      1.) The game fails to recognize what a foul is most of the time (ex. The animation when someone, mostly bigs, get completely knocked out of the air, but the foul isn't called 70% of the time)
                      2.) The ability to block shots have skyrocketed to where big men DARE you to come into the paint so they can nearly deflate the ball when they send your layup/dunk all the way to the other side of the Pro Am arena
                      3.) You run a VERY high risk of getting stripped clean out of your animation by some guard who collapsed suddenly and begins swinging wildly with Pick Pocket

                      Right. Since 2k14, I've had my fill of getting Active Handed on nearly every drive, so yes, I'll continue to pull up from midrange when I'm open.
                      Continue doing that then and 2k will continue to make adjustments.

                      Mid range is broken in this game and it's gonna be laughable when it's fixed and people have no idea how to score

                      Learn how to pump fake or hop step to prevent blocks

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                      • RTMG007
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2012
                        • 198

                        #116
                        Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

                        Originally posted by Caelumfang
                        And to reiterate, see that guy Boss Miller? He's a Center I run with. See those blocks? Yeah, that's the result of people 'running into the paint' trying to draw fouls. Yeah, no thanks.
                        13/13 how many of those were mid range?

                        The people you're playing against are trash as well

                        Should I post the screenshot of my friend scoring 100 on all mid range in the rec?

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                        • Jhawkfootball06
                          Pro
                          • Jul 2009
                          • 559

                          #117
                          Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

                          Originally posted by hanzsomehanz
                          Can you elaborate?

                          Why is it exclusive to layups? Wouldn't the player attempt a dunk over a layup? Is the player being chased down or has beaten his man in isolation but observes the paint is guarded so he pulls up?

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                          Person driving baseline coming off a pick and a roll. Now he has a defender 2 or 3 feet behind him, but instead of attempting a layup or dunk (like you see in real life). He runs right past the hoop, having the defenders jump thinking he was going to try to lay it up. Now he can take that 100% sure mid-range jumper because he knows that he can make it every time.

                          The effectiveness of the mid-range shot in this game has made it so that statistically, it has the highest percentage of going in. Which contradicts entirely what is true in real life. It promotes a mid-range cheese fest with big men constantly screening, hoping to knock the guy down.. Imagine if 100% of 3-pointers went in? "I was open, you should just play better defense." No, it's the same exact concept what is going on right now with mid-range.
                          Last edited by Jhawkfootball06; 10-07-2015, 02:25 PM.

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                          • hanzsomehanz
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 3275

                            #118
                            Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

                            Originally posted by RTMG007
                            Continue doing that then and 2k will continue to make adjustments.

                            Mid range is broken in this game and it's gonna be laughable when it's fixed and people have no idea how to score

                            Learn how to pump fake or hop step to prevent blocks
                            They would tune the inside scoring and elevate the success for scoring in the paint so more floaters will fall, and so more contact layups / dunks would be completed successfully.

                            That's the balance you're proposing? It's all relative to me but we don't need your spoiler regarding 90% fail proof success rate for the average mid range shot attempted.

                            While we are at it: bring back the spin dunk from 2k11 😃



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                            • 24ct
                              Pro
                              • Sep 2012
                              • 884

                              #119
                              Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

                              When you dunk you're probably gonna get stripped, blocked or miss if it's congested. Layups are faster but they'll get blocked and stripped too. Guys rarely block jumpers. They NEVER strip them. It's impossible on this game.

                              I've seen plenty of guys pass from open(slightly contested wide open lane layups for jumpers). Ppl literally run to the paint wide open draw the defense & pass out. If you go up for a 2 hand cockback its getting blocked. Especially with anyone other than a guard considering ball control is linked to playmaking and my SF maxes out a 60 Ballcontrol.

                              They need a protect ball rating linked to inside scoring for bigger guys but they don't so 95% of the time anybody will rip a SF-PF-C when In the paint. This is why I myself shoot middys. This is why ppl pass out of the paint for a middy. Contested or not.

                              And to the guy who said park isn't SIM. Last year this was true but it's much better this year. Defense matters & you can't win a game with all dribble cheese/side to side 3s because of the contact animations on the outside. You can't even win with a guy dropping 21 like last year I could consistently score 15 on my own with randoms if I had too. I like to pass tho so now passing actually matters. It's sweet.

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                              • TaylorBoi
                                Banned
                                • Jun 2015
                                • 188

                                #120
                                Re: Mid Range Shot Cheese Is Back With Full Force!

                                Originally posted by RTMG007
                                Continue doing that then and 2k will continue to make adjustments.

                                Mid range is broken in this game and it's gonna be laughable when it's fixed and people have no idea how to score

                                Learn how to pump fake or hop step to prevent blocks


                                Good players make adjustments bruh. Hop stopping is the easiest way to get stripped and still prone to getting blocked btw. Good luck with that

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