Point of Making an SG

[BlackMambaTheDream]

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The system isn't perfect but it's way better than last year and it will get better next year. It's the first year . And you can be more than decent . You can be great. You can be an excellent defender and have great shooting. You can be a great inside scorer or have high rebounding . What's stopping you? I'm saying even a great outside shooter can have decent rebounding . A inside scorer can have decent shooting . Even you picked primarily outside shooter you can still get posterized and dunk on ppl. Inside scorers can still get deadeye .

Nobody is saying that you cant make your myplayer great in myCareer.
And yes you can win games and you can use your strengths depending
what playstyle you picked for your player. But that's not the issue.
It just doesn't feel right to me seeing my SG "exploding" that slow off the
dribble and being noticable slower than the best SGs in the game (who
are even good or great shooters too) even if i max out my speed at some point.

It's not just about the results but HOW it feels to be an inside scoring
SG for example. I want to be lightning fast as a 6"4 Inside SG!
And it would be no problem for me to sacrifice other attributes for this
because i want this to be my biggest strength and I want to decide
what my biggest strength is. I'm limiting myself to beliveble stats
anyways but it should FEEL and LOOK right to do so.

[I_am_legend417]

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Accept the fact that you don't need every single stat in the 85+ to win freaking games dude . What playstyle , position , and height did you pick ? You guys are playing the wrong damn position. You wanna be a 6'9 SF have 80+ speed with 80+ ball handling , and 80+ shooting and still get both lockdown badges while having 80+ dunking stop it , and still have 80+ layup. That's exactly why everybody made a SF last year. If you want excellent ball handling and driving layup pick a point guard . If you prefer the best Shooting pick a two guard.
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The thread is called what's the point of making a shooting guard. No where did I state I wanted to make a Small Foward and be a beast in the post.
No where did I state I wanted 80+ ball handling.

No where.

This was asking the pros of being a Shooting Guard over a Point in which I see none.

I don't want a perfect player, never said that. I just wish my players speed wasn't capped at a 78 when a John wall has a 97 or a James Harden has an 86.

No where did I say I wanted an 99 overall. I just made suggestions.

I understand you play MyPark.

I don't. I am not a cheeser, I play basketball the way it should be played. I just wanted to make a Kobe/MJ-esque player. Kobe has great ball handling. I don't want Kylie or steph handles. I just want to make my favorite player or possibly, eventually be better than them.

I feel after my $80 plus the extra I spent on VC, I should be able to do that.

I could care less about MyPark. I play 10 minute quarters in my career. I want a real bball experience. I spend all my Time in the gym over endorsement because I want my player to be the best. I'm not scoring 50-80points a game I don't want that. I want to make a realistic all around player, with weaknesses that I can improve upon.

Not a perfect player and I feel some of the cap don't let you do that.

Read the first post again and read my subsequent posts.

[BlackMambaTheDream]

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Sorry for posting again but i have to honor I_am_legend417 for this.

Perfect post, agree on every point 100%!

[bo.jangles344]

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What a joke. I wanted to recreate either prime Kobe or T-Mac.

Both players had fantastic handles (not Kyrie like but still great), great athletic ability and wet jumpers to match.

I cannot do that, and trying to give workarounds is just a cop out. I've already wasted a ton of VC.

Wow... Can you just stop? You have no idea what you're talking about. I watched kobe and t mac both play. You know why they had "wet" jumpers? Because they shot A TON of shots. Both players were EXTREMELY high volume shooters and viewed as sub par teammates with t mac being the more willing and creative passer of the 2. But guess what? Tracy was a point blank horrendous defender most of his career and was a few steps slower than kobe and to top it all off, never played 82 games in a season. He was viewed as lazy, flaky, and just ridiculously talented naturally but never really played in a good situation and never won a playoff series till he was a bench player. Kobe on the other hand had about 8 years between his 3peat with shaq and when he won 2 out of 3 with pau. While i love that man i have seen him throw plenty of games with his selfishness. I've seen him lose games for his team way more often than he won them during that stretch and until pau got there thought about being traded multiple times. That man has averaged 25ppg for his career on low 40% shooting vs Jordan who averaged over 30ppg on high 40s. On top of that, NEITHER player between kobe or tmac have ever hit above 40% from the arc for a season and are both mid 30s for their careers. And if we're going off the 0-99 scale, neither ever could have been considered a 90 in any category besides maybe contact layups. Young kobe and tmac were both athletic but neither were as athletic as Vince or Jordan. Neither was beating young Tony Parker or players like iverson in a footrace.

You're completely delusional and out if your element. Go back and watch game film before you start whining about things you obviously have no context.

[bo.jangles344]

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I know how to do dribble moves. Still doesn't change the fact I lose the ball as a shooting guard way more than I should when attacking the paint.

Also find it very difficult to have shooting performances like those two players could pull off from long range and mid range.

One thing you've failed to mention a single time is if you've even maxed your play making. Because if you had, you'd realize your PASS rating is essentially the same as last year. You can have a pass rating of 75 on a CENTER. so you're having trouble dribbling and keep losing the ball? STOP SPAMMING DRIBBLE MOVES AND PASS THE BALL.

This whole thread is nonsense. Speed is the one cap I'm upset at, being a 6'3 pg and all. My speed maxes at 85. But guess what? I can boost to 90+ if i spend vc and do drills. They anticipated people boosting so that's why the caps are where they are. You can even boost maxed categories now instead of having it be at lvl 19.

[KGDunks]

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One thing you've failed to mention a single time is if you've even maxed your play making. Because if you had, you'd realize your PASS rating is essentially the same as last year. You can have a pass rating of 75 on a CENTER. so you're having trouble dribbling and keep losing the ball? STOP SPAMMING DRIBBLE MOVES AND PASS THE BALL.

This whole thread is nonsense. Speed is the one cap I'm upset at, being a 6'3 pg and all. My speed maxes at 85. But guess what? I can boost to 90+ if i spend vc and do drills. They anticipated people boosting so that's why the caps are where they are. You can even boost maxed categories now instead of having it be at lvl 19.

I have maxed it out. Yet my dribbling is still horrible compared to when I use prime Kobe.

I rack up assists so me overdribbling is rarely a problem.

You're failing to understand that I just want to be able to have a fast shooting guard with strong handles and an inside outside game that mirrors that of Kobe or heck even today's Harden. Instead I'm forced to have an average three point game with that cap, and handles that aren't amazing and find the ball being lost when gathering for layups.

[bo.jangles344]

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I have maxed it out. Yet my dribbling is still horrible compared to when I use prime Kobe.

I rack up assists so me overdribbling is rarely a problem.

You're failing to understand that I just want to be able to have a fast shooting guard with strong handles and an inside outside game that mirrors that of Kobe or heck even today's Harden. Instead I'm forced to have an average three point game with that cap, and handles that aren't amazing and find the ball being lost when gathering for layups.

You sound dumber with every post. Do you watch basketball? The harden comparison is damn near perfect with the outside 2 guard. He's not that athletic, he's a horrible defender, but a great passer, has a few quirky moves that get him passed his defender but has learned his limitations while driving so he draws a lot of fouls because he's not skying over anyone or winning any foot races with more athletic guards and sfs. He's a whiner and he's way too over confident in his game.

Basically, every player you've mentioned has huge glaring weaknesses to their game.

Let's just go down the list of all the superstars

Curry, great shooter, dribbler passer, average defender, not that athletic, but can finish in traffic with smarts and touch. Great teammate.

Melo, terrible defender, not that athletic, not a great shooter from deep. Selfish, horrible teammate.

Lebron, good at everything, great defender, below average shooter, good passer, good athleticism, not the GREATEST at anything. Good teammate.

Anthony Davis, decent mid range, best defender in the league, decent handles for a big, decent in the post, unbelievable athlete for his size. Great teammate.

JORDAN, one of the best perimeter defender the game has ever seen. Greatest athlete of his time (i think Vince actually had a higher vertical) fantastic teammate. Below average shooter from deep but bball iq was though the roof. Clutch clutch clutch.

Every player has a weakness. Sorry you don't want any.

[KGDunks]

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You sound dumber with every post. Do you watch basketball? The harden comparison is damn near perfect with the outside 2 guard. He's not that athletic, he's a horrible defender, but a great passer, has a few quirky moves that get him passed his defender but has learned his limitations while driving so he draws a lot of fouls because he's not skying over anyone or winning any foot races with more athletic guards and sfs. He's a whiner and he's way too over confident in his game.

Basically, every player you've mentioned has huge glaring weaknesses to their game.

Let's just go down the list of all the superstars

Curry, great shooter, dribbler passer, average defender, not that athletic, but can finish in traffic with smarts and touch. Great teammate.

Melo, terrible defender, not that athletic, not a great shooter from deep. Selfish, horrible teammate.

Lebron, good at everything, great defender, below average shooter, good passer, good athleticism, not the GREATEST at anything. Good teammate.

Anthony Davis, decent mid range, best defender in the league, decent handles for a big, decent in the post, unbelievable athlete for his size. Great teammate.

JORDAN, one of the best perimeter defender the game has ever seen. Greatest athlete of his time (i think Vince actually had a higher vertical) fantastic teammate. Below average shooter from deep but bball iq was though the roof. Clutch clutch clutch.

Every player has a weakness. Sorry you don't want any.

Way to miss the point. I was comparing how Harden can shoot threes really well, and use his handles and athletic ability to get buckets inside. Harden isn't a freak athlete but he's still athletic.

I never said anything about players not having a weakness, no clue where you pulled that bull**** from. All I said was that I wanted to have a shooting guard very similar to Kobe. Two way player with an extremely balanced and good offence game.

[I_am_legend417]

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You sound dumber with every post. Do you watch basketball? The harden comparison is damn near perfect with the outside 2 guard. He's not that athletic, he's a horrible defender, but a great passer, has a few quirky moves that get him passed his defender but has learned his limitations while driving so he draws a lot of fouls because he's not skying over anyone or winning any foot races with more athletic guards and sfs. He's a whiner and he's way too over confident in his game.

Basically, every player you've mentioned has huge glaring weaknesses to their game.

Let's just go down the list of all the superstars

Curry, great shooter, dribbler passer, average defender, not that athletic, but can finish in traffic with smarts and touch. Great teammate.

Melo, terrible defender, not that athletic, not a great shooter from deep. Selfish, horrible teammate.

Lebron, good at everything, great defender, below average shooter, good passer, good athleticism, not the GREATEST at anything. Good teammate.

Anthony Davis, decent mid range, best defender in the league, decent handles for a big, decent in the post, unbelievable athlete for his size. Great teammate.

JORDAN, one of the best perimeter defender the game has ever seen. Greatest athlete of his time (i think Vince actually had a higher vertical) fantastic teammate. Below average shooter from deep but bball iq was though the roof. Clutch clutch clutch.

Every player has a weakness. Sorry you don't want any.

See but what you're saying is the league is full of completely diverse players, with create a player you can do that if you want or you can max the player out.

That is not what I want, I want a cap on what you can spend, and I want the attributes to be variable. If you want an amazing all around game you suffer in each catagory but because you're decent in each you have a high rating. Or if you want to be an amazing shooter you lack in defense, or if you chose to be an amazing shooter and defender you suffer in off the ball dribble.

Again I don't want a perfect 99 in every catagory, I find that extremely stupid. I want to beable to compete with the best that and possible surpass them.

Also this thread started because of a PG stats vs an SG stats and the fact that I have to max out my Playmaking and either my inside shooting or outside shooting to get in court coach which I never wanted to do. What does max shooting have to do with running an offense anyway. ( and the main reason I want to run an offense or defense if because the coaching doesn't adapt in this game, I would love to switch match ups and change the defense,

but I can't use myplayer outside of the MyPlayer mode.

Facescan is amazing, it legitimately looks like me, but I only have one mode where I can use him as a player, so give me options. Please.

It would all be solved for me if I could take my face scan out of the mode, I'd play my GM or MyTeam and build a franchise around me.

I don't care about max shooing. I want a decent shooter with a touching midrange game that can hit the 3 occasionally. But I wa t max defender and playmaking because I love defense and creating shots for others. That's how I play. I barely take 3s and I can't make them anyway, (even with maxed shooting)

I understand there are cheesers in MyPark, but I don't play that. Why not make it separate modes.

I've played maybe 80+ 10 minute games in my career. I've played maybe 60 my park games (I can't stand it, too many people don't know how to play basketball.)
There are people that have played 1000s of games. I mean you know they don't touch MyCareer. Come on.

MAKE THE MODES SEPERATE.

Or allow facescan for created players.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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The thread is called what's the point of making a shooting guard. No where did I state I wanted to make a Small Foward and be a beast in the post.
No where did I state I wanted 80+ ball handling.

No where.

This was asking the pros of being a Shooting Guard over a Point in which I see none.

I don't want a perfect player, never said that. I just wish my players speed wasn't capped at a 78 when a John wall has a 97 or a James Harden has an 86.

No where did I say I wanted an 99 overall. I just made suggestions.

I understand you play MyPark.

I don't. I am not a cheeser, I play basketball the way it should be played. I just wanted to make a Kobe/MJ-esque player. Kobe has great ball handling. I don't want Kylie or steph handles. I just want to make my favorite player or possibly, eventually be better than them.

I feel after my $80 plus the extra I spent on VC, I should be able to do that.

I could care less about MyPark. I play 10 minute quarters in my career. I want a real bball experience. I spend all my Time in the gym over endorsement because I want my player to be the best. I'm not scoring 50-80points a game I don't want that. I want to make a realistic all around player, with weaknesses that I can improve upon.

Not a perfect player and I feel some of the cap don't let you do that.

Read the first post again and read my subsequent posts.

But I'm telling you as a SG you getting higher shooting man . I made 6'4 SG and my speed caps in the 80s plus boost and the practices I can hit 90. I understand YOU care less about park but it's a huge game seller that needs balance . Again I'm only a 64 overall averaging 17 and 11. I'm getting to the basket with speed in the 60s and playmaking too. I'm playing on superstar . You're not being fair . That's selfish to us who play online because every SG would have 90+ speed

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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Don't get me wrong it would be damn cool to have John Walls speed he's one of my favorites. But as SG you do get higher outside shot higher ,dunking , I think rebounding (not sure ) and maybe higher blocks. To offset the higher playmaking and speed PGs get. Hopefully that answers the question op

[bo.jangles344]

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But I'm telling you as a SG you getting higher shooting man . I made 6'4 SG and my speed caps in the 80s plus boost and the practices I can hit 90. I understand YOU care less about park but it's a huge game seller that needs balance . Again I'm only a 64 overall averaging 17 and 11. I'm getting to the basket with speed in the 60s and playmaking too. I'm playing on superstar . You're not being fair . That's selfish to us who play online because every SG would have 90+ speed

They sit there and ignore the fact that the caps are essentially perfect for what they're trying to do but keep getting hung up in the numbers. Christ, go play any mmo if your that concerned with NUMBERS.

[I_am_legend417]

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Well what I am saying is either Seperate the modes or let me take my facescan into a different made as a player. That's all I want.

I can get into the paint ridiculously easy, my shooting is maxed and my and its an 89 mid range and a 79 from 3.

Also an outside Point at 6'6 beats a balanced SG in every category period. Look it up.

I cannot hit 3s to save my life in this game. You can see it, one game I got the bonus from practice and the boosts and had a 95 3 and shot one of my lowest percentage games.

Seperate the modes, I'd make the adjustments I think need to be made by sliders, I'd be able to make the player I want "not maxed everything" and my game isn't limited by 12 year olds that want to make a 7'0" point guard with Ray allens J and Allen Allen Iversons handle.

That's bizarre, like Why do you want that?

Like I played with people that cheese in my park, you know what I did if we won? I let the team because I don't like it. No do I see myself playing with those people because of the caps? No, they dont know basketball and they will still play terribly.

Also what the hell is up with that falling after a made shot or a miss? It's the dumbest thing ever players get easy buckets because your too busy getting up to guard them.

My can't perfect MyPark, you can't remove the Cheese because the people that play it are playing a video game not Basketball. I want to play basketball.

[wili]

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just wondering, how tall are you guys making your SGs ?

[I_am_legend417]

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They sit there and ignore the fact that the caps are essentially perfect for what they're trying to do but keep getting hung up in the numbers. Christ, go play any mmo if your that concerned with NUMBERS.

But this is not a MMO it's an NBA game. This is not the witcher 3 or Skyrim. This is a basketball game.