Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

[Kobrakai]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

This all comes back down to 2K's stupid "bucket" skill system instead of just letting us upgrade individual stats like in previous years. The caps are just a bandaid on an open wound.

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[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

Op hasn't mentioned his height or playstyle. Also you can use boost even at level 20. On top of that you get boosts from practices.

[dnyce87]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

Big centers are really slow and don't defend well outside of the paint. PFs defend better there. Again as a SF you have the ability to get post and perimeter lockdown defender . You can negate just about every badge. PGS shooting is not higher than a SG.of the same height or dunking .

It isn't the same, but it is awfully close that it is almost pointless to go with a SG due to lack other attributes across the board such as athleticism and play making unless you will be a Kyle Korver type player and nothing more. Good point with the SF about the defender badges, but what about offensively? That's where I think most players are complaining about. I used to always play SF due how versatile the position is meant to be (jack of all trades master of none), but not in 2k16. They've nerfed that position the most IMO.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

It isn't the same, but it is awfully close that it is almost pointless to go with a SG due to lack other attributes across the board such as athleticism and play making unless you will be a Kyle Korver type player and nothing more. Good point with the SF about the defender badges, but what about offensively? That's where I think most players are complaining about. I used to always play SF due how versatile the position is meant to be (jack of all trades master of none), but not in 2k16. They've nerfed that position the most IMO.

Speed isn't that different SGs and PGs of the same height like it is for shooting . Passing for a SG 6'4 SG can go to a 90 and dribbling in the 80s . I made both positions outside 6'4. The caps are so similar . But I rather play off ball though. I understand those who wanna run the offense why the playmaking and speed is more important. I could see Bradley Beal , Young Ray Allen, Michael Redd, John Starks , etc... Type of outside SGs. I also could See Nash, Stockton, Tim Hardaway, etc type of point guards . They play completely different but all outside scoring style that's what I was getting at.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

I think SFs can still play 2-4 and be very versatile . It all depends on your style . i could see handles being too low for this position. But I think it's high enough where you can still do your move and score or pass the ball. You just can't string things together like Kyrie. Try putting a boost on and doing some of the ball handling practices . Also get badges like euro step , hop step , behind the back , relentless finisher, acrobat etc... Those help .

[RTMG007]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

I've seen really good players at every position .

SFs can get both post lockdown and perimeter lockdown. PFs have the ability to be big and a little more agile than centers and have higher shooting. SGs also have higher shooting and finishing than point guards. They are in between positions whereas the PG and centers are more extreme

More extreme in terms of what?

Small Forwards literally do nothing better than a PG offensively

[BBallcoach]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

You can thank the cheesers for that.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

More extreme in terms of what?

Small Forwards literally do nothing better than a PG offensively

In terms of being specialized. SFs do finish better because of higher standing layups and dunks .

[dnyce87]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

Honestly, I've mentioned this another thread I believe in the MAX CAP Attributes thread stating that we need more playing styles. You can't define a player with just inside, outside, and balanced. How about a scoring playstyle or a defensive specialist like we had in previous 2ks? Just a couple examples where I think 2k will expand that to make more unique players. Shawn Marion was the most versatile defender that I can think of where he can guard 1-4 and rarely a 5. He could stay laterally in front of quick guards, can defend wing positions and due to his length and wing span can guard bigger forwards and rarely a Center. Why can't we create a player like that? Defensive specialist comes to mind. Scoring style should be exactly what it means scoring to an extent. I don't expect 90+ rating in every offensive ability, but maybe balance it more for wing positions so they can be a little more effective than just a shooter or an just inside scorer. They'll be exposed on defense due to below average defense unless they boost and become average, but can be a scoring machine. I think PG's are fine tuned perfectly, but wing positions athletically and ball handling can use a little more tweaking. And any other playing styles ppl can think of would be good additions.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

Honestly, I've mentioned this another thread I believe in the MAX CAP Attributes thread stating that we need more playing styles. You can't define a player with just inside, outside, and balanced. How about a scoring playstyle or a defensive specialist like we had in previous 2ks? Just a couple examples where I think 2k will expand that to make more unique players. Shawn Marion was the most versatile defender that I can think of where he can guard 1-4 and rarely a 5. He could stay laterally in front of quick guards, can defend wing positions and due to his length and wing span can guard bigger forwards and rarely a Center. Why can't we create a player like that? Defensive specialist comes to mind. Scoring style should be exactly what it means scoring to an extent. I don't expect 90+ rating in every offensive ability, but maybe balance it more for wing positions so they can be a little more effective than just a shooter or an just inside scorer. They'll be exposed on defense due to below average defense unless they boost and become average, but can be a scoring machine. I think PG's are fine tuned perfectly, but wing positions athletically and ball handling can use a little more tweaking. And any other playing styles ppl can think of would be good additions.

Wait what's stopping you from doing that ? Shawn Marion is very possible. You can take a SF make him 6'7 or 6'6. You get 100 upgrades . 18 into defense into defense to get lockdown perimeter and post lockdown . Do about 15 into rebounding . Do about 8 or so into outside scoring .maybe 8 into playmaking . 14 into athlete .12 into inside scoring. That's 75 upgrades ! You sill got 25 to finish your Shawn Marion. I recommend either inside ( post Phoenix ,) or balanced (for Phoenix Marion)

He'll still be athletic , can guard most positions , and rebound .

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

The ball control cap at SG irritates the hell out of me, it's as if no one but PGs can dribble and hold on to the ball for more than 3 seconds. And when you tie in how high steals can go as opposed to ball control, it seems rather one-sided.

Good thing 2K added someone who supposedly knew the intricacies of their rating system and scales.

[dnyce87]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

Wait what's stopping you from doing that ? Shawn Marion is very possible. You can take a SF make him 6'7 or 6'6. You get 100 upgrades . 18 into defense into defense to get lockdown perimeter and post lockdown . Do about 15 into rebounding . Do about 8 or so into outside scoring .maybe 8 into playmaking . 14 into athlete .12 into inside scoring. That's 75 upgrades ! You sill got 25 to finish your Shawn Marion. I recommend either inside ( post Phoenix ,) or balanced (for Phoenix Marion)

He'll still be athletic , can guard most positions , and rebound .

Yes, but how slow are you going to be if you're taking the 2k16 attribute caps? You can't be an elite defender with having less than 80 speed. In this game you will be far below that at SF position. Also, stealing rating goes down while blocking goes up. You should be elite in both stealing and blocking if you're a defensive specialist. Sure you'll be good at getting rebounds, but for reasons stated above that's not the only defensive thing. Athletically you're not agile like an elite defender either. So more like a poor man's version of Shawn Marion, but specialist to me means elite and not average-above average. Although your points and advice are helpful, the CAPS to athletic make it subpar.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

I guess .so . My PF can stick with even perimeter players at the park , pro am or mycareer with a speed of 63. Shawn Marion's (85 OVR. 04-05 suns ) speed in this game is an 80, steal a 77, and blocking a 65. Your speed can get close to that at 6'6 ,6'7. Especially with a boost . His agility is a 84 so that could be a problem but you can boost that too even at level 20

My PFs stealing is an 81 blocking in the 90s. With pick pocket and interceptor and eraser I get 3 steals and 2 blocks at least every pro am game . These numbers are even higher in mycareer

[BluFu]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

Good thing 2K added someone who supposedly knew the intricacies of their rating system and scales.

I don't see what that has to do with anything.. lol

[Jrocc23]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

Yeah, the caps are bad this year. This is just a bandaid. Next year, there needs to be another solution.

The problem was really just 7' SFs for me.