Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

[cablexdeadpool]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

I don't even know what the beef is, most of the top SF's in 2K got their ballhandling in the 70s...

Paul George has 74 ball control
Kawhi Leonard 61 ball control
Gordon Hayward 72 ball control
Rudy Gay 78 ball control

If you watch most SF's play, they aren't dribbling the ball around. They are one cut and go, playing the PnR, spotting up, running transition and posting up.

Play real basketball and you will fair better. No legit SF's are in the NBA, pulling out ridiculous crossovers like Kyrie Irving and splashing it everywhere. They using their length and their bodies.

Learn how to play in the post. Learn how to protect the ball like a real SF does. Stop trying to play 2K like it was last year.

[GradyMac]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

PGs and Centers are the only respectable positions unless you're a 5'10 SG

I got a SF on my squad that has no problems. He dominates games.

[FunNoodle]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

I made a 7'3 C and I kinda feel bad, I dominate every opposing center I face due to the height difference lol. Most people made like 7' or 7'1 C's this year.

[cablexdeadpool]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

I got a SF on my squad that has no problems. He dominates games.

People just wanna dribble all over the place like it's AND1, been watching too much PrettyBoyFredo videos.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

I don't even know what the beef is, most of the top SF's in 2K got their ballhandling in the 70s...

Paul George has 74 ball control
Kawhi Leonard 61 ball control
Gordon Hayward 72 ball control
Rudy Gay 78 ball control

If you watch most SF's play, they aren't dribbling the ball around. They are one cut and go, playing the PnR, spotting up, running transition and posting up.

Play real basketball and you will fair better. No legit SF's are in the NBA, pulling out ridiculous crossovers like Kyrie Irving and splashing it everywhere. They using their length and their bodies.

Learn how to play in the post. Learn how to protect the ball like a real SF does. Stop trying to play 2K like it was last year.

Good post Ageed

[RTMG007]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

I don't even know what the beef is, most of the top SF's in 2K got their ballhandling in the 70s...

Paul George has 74 ball control
Kawhi Leonard 61 ball control
Gordon Hayward 72 ball control
Rudy Gay 78 ball control

If you watch most SF's play, they aren't dribbling the ball around. They are one cut and go, playing the PnR, spotting up, running transition and posting up.

Play real basketball and you will fair better. No legit SF's are in the NBA, pulling out ridiculous crossovers like Kyrie Irving and splashing it everywhere. They using their length and their bodies.

Learn how to play in the post. Learn how to protect the ball like a real SF does. Stop trying to play 2K like it was last year.

Play real basketball? I gaurantee you I'm better than you and I don't cheese either.

Those small forwards have SPEED+DRIBBLING. You can't drive past someone if you're too slow or don't have enough moves.

Nobody's asking to dribble like Kyrie or splash it everywhere

Go play a SF and you'll get stripped on every drive.

Most small forwards also don't play in the post and the ones you listed also don't play how you describe

I never played SF either last year. Your point is invalid.

[cablexdeadpool]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

Play real basketball? I gaurantee you I'm better than you and I don't cheese either.

Those small forwards have SPEED+DRIBBLING. You can't drive past someone if you're too slow or don't have enough moves.

Nobody's asking to dribble like Kyrie or splash it everywhere

Go play a SF and you'll get stripped on every drive.

Most small forwards also don't play in the post and the ones you listed also don't play how you describe

I never played SF either last year. Your point is invalid.

Um yes they do and no you are not better than me cause you over here complaining about not being able to dribble.

Paul George spots up, run PnR and runs in transition. He doesn't do anything else. He isn't dribbling the ball around the court for 15 seconds looking for a shot.

Gordon Hayward, same thing, except he has pinch post game he goes, he has the height elevation on his shot and he pulls off a nice fadeaway.

Kawhi Leonard is more transition and post orientated than PG and Gordon Hayward.

Playing in the post does not mean playing like a Center or even playing like Kobe or Carmelo. Most small forwards don't even make it all the way to the basketball on every single drive, they pull up from 10 to 16 feet in and shoot over their opposition. They'll shoot a fadeaway or a nice little stepback or a spin shot.

Rudy Gay plays exactly like how I described and guess what, in the game,, he got a 70 Speed and 78 ball handling...

SFs today play exactly how I described AND THEY ALWAYS HAVE. They might not have ran the pick and roll like they do now, but watch Dominique Wilkins, Adrian Dantely, Alex English...they are not dribbling all over the place. They are not driving all the way to the basket.

I could make an outside 6'10 SF right now and dominate the Park just by spotting up and playing in the post.

[Caelumfang]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

Let's just say there's a reason that people avoid making SFs this year like the plague.

[hanzsomehanz]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

Wait what's stopping you from doing that ? Shawn Marion is very possible. You can take a SF make him 6'7 or 6'6. You get 100 upgrades . 18 into defense into defense to get lockdown perimeter and post lockdown . Do about 15 into rebounding . Do about 8 or so into outside scoring .maybe 8 into playmaking . 14 into athlete .12 into inside scoring. That's 75 upgrades ! You sill got 25 to finish your Shawn Marion. I recommend either inside ( post Phoenix ,) or balanced (for Phoenix Marion)

He'll still be athletic , can guard most positions , and rebound .

You're far too apologetic and evangelical of the current cap and bucket system to effectively contribute to this thread.

I thought this post would hit home with you but nope, you're still firmly set on your own views and not willing to cross the line because of your own apprehensions which you've tightly tried to hide but it is so blatantly obvious.

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[hanzsomehanz]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

I guess .so . My PF can stick with even perimeter players at the park , pro am or mycareer with a speed of 63. Shawn Marion's (85 OVR. 04-05 suns ) speed in this game is an 80, steal a 77, and blocking a 65. Your speed can get close to that at 6'6 ,6'7. Especially with a boost . His agility is a 84 so that could be a problem but you can boost that too even at level 20

My PFs stealing is an 81 blocking in the 90s. With pick pocket and interceptor and eraser I get 3 steals and 2 blocks at least every pro am game . These numbers are even higher in mycareer

Your PF gets 81 in steal, 5'7" PG Inside gets 90 on his dunks and 75 on STRENGTH

^^^ The system is not flawed entirely but come on - these caps need more care, concentration, and mindfulness, and insight - was there no foresight to see how silly this 5'7 PG is? 80 Steal on your PF? Wth for... inn this strict cap system why does a midget get to dunk with the ferocity of Vince Carter and strength of Lebron?

The bucket system + cap system is way too restrictive and not conducive to developing specialized roles -- this is a cookie cutter style of creating a my player.

Status Quo says: perimeter players don't need rebounding and bigs don't need playmaker and that's predominately how players were created in 15 and again in 16.

*Simply choosing a scoring style is not creative enough, it's not distinctive enough , it's not authentic enough.

2k11 brought you individualism through single attribute allotments and play styles that would designate your cap system.

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[Ownal0t]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

I made a sf to model off Joe johnson. I wanted the hawks , first season nets , joe. I got stuck instead with today joe johnson. Lmfao

I really can't.

[24ct]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

It's the acceleration that kills SF. Like some guys can actually drive. You can't even really cut with a SF because his acceleration is way too low. If I'm an inside SF my speed/acceleration shouldn't be that low. And bigger guys don't take bigger steps on this game like they do in real life so as a 6'9-6'10 guy you just feel slugish trying to into the paint and up the court even.

I don't want to be able to cross guys up because SFs don't do that. Only a few do. They are power/strong players mostly. Some guys run the wings but when 2k made dribble caps they should have made it so a SF can at least have a 75 handle but still not be able to do certain moves based on height.

Like I should be able to cross over but not string my size ups together like a guard. I get there's only 1 Durant. I get what 2k was trying to do but sometimes it's like they don't really test things.

As a SF I just want to be able to hold on to the ball when I drive. I get stripped on a post up after going up because my BC is 55. Or the ball just bounces off the guys leg. Like bruh...55 tho? I know how to post up and do moves but it's wild when I turn around and just bump into a guy and get a steal or blocked shot before I even shoot lol

And there's no rating that controls protecting the ball on a drive. I'm not asking for the ability to string crossovers but if I made my SF for Pro Am and he can barely get up the court man. Then I lose the ball on a pass because the defender is too close but I see the ball go thru players because a guard has an 85 handle. It's like the ratings just take over the physics.

I love the caps by play style but there should be more than inside outside and balanced. Like what about slashers and guys like Corey Brewer who are super fast on the outlet? IDK man it's just a pain with these buckets really. Terrible idea.

[dnyce87]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

Looking at the stat caps right now for SF's and honestly now that I double check it isn't horrifying as most ppl are complaining about.

6'7 outside with +5 boosts...without boosts I can see why the complaints.

Close 85
Mid 92
3 90

S. Layup 85
D. Layup 72 < due to outside style
P. Fadeaway 85
P. Hook 63
P. Control 78

S. Dunk 75
Dunk 75 < due to outside style
Speed+Acceleration 79 < this isn't too bad
Vertical 88
Strength 81

Ball Control 74

Rebounding 88

L. Quickness 79
Block 86
Steal 92
Low post IQ 85

6'7 Balanced

85
84
80

90
82
85
63
83

90
87
79
88
88

The rest is the same

Inside is the worst as shooting is going to dip even lower and ball handling remains the same so having a higher layup isn't going to matter. U guys see where the complaints may roll in now?

Gathering from the stats if you're an inside SF to me that means you're a slasher. So make this slasher instead of "inside" playing style meaning you have higher ball conrol like 82 max vs 74 (considering the boosts). Your speed and acceleration is where it should be at 79. Shooting should be average-below average so like mid 70's and below because you're a slasher not a shooter (this is where better balance comes in). You go taller than 6'7 then yes your stats should suffer cuz it's past average height (correct me if I'm wrong) and ya don't see superb ball handlers in the NBA dribbling the ball like a magician at that height. For every inch you add you subtract 4 from ball handling as long as you're a slasher so it looks like this with +5 boosts:

6'7 82
6'8 78
6'9 74
6'10 70

Below average height you add 2 to ball handling

6'6 84
6'5 86...so on n so forth

2k is almost there with SF just a little more tweaking to what I mentioned. What do u guys think?

[RTMG007]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

Um yes they do and no you are not better than me cause you over here complaining about not being able to dribble.

Paul George spots up, run PnR and runs in transition. He doesn't do anything else. He isn't dribbling the ball around the court for 15 seconds looking for a shot.

Gordon Hayward, same thing, except he has pinch post game he goes, he has the height elevation on his shot and he pulls off a nice fadeaway.

Kawhi Leonard is more transition and post orientated than PG and Gordon Hayward.

Playing in the post does not mean playing like a Center or even playing like Kobe or Carmelo. Most small forwards don't even make it all the way to the basketball on every single drive, they pull up from 10 to 16 feet in and shoot over their opposition. They'll shoot a fadeaway or a nice little stepback or a spin shot.

Rudy Gay plays exactly like how I described and guess what, in the game,, he got a 70 Speed and 78 ball handling...

SFs today play exactly how I described AND THEY ALWAYS HAVE. They might not have ran the pick and roll like they do now, but watch Dominique Wilkins, Adrian Dantely, Alex English...they are not dribbling all over the place. They are not driving all the way to the basket.

I could make an outside 6'10 SF right now and dominate the Park just by spotting up and playing in the post.

No they don't lol.. Paul George, Melo, Lebron all routinely bring the ball up and create for themselves and others by DRIBBLING.

Paul George is 6'10 with 78 ball handling 70 speed

What's his 3 and mid range? When you can't shoot they don't have to guard you the same.

[RTMG007]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

Looking at the stat caps right now for SF's and honestly now that I double check it isn't horrifying as most ppl are complaining about.

6'7 outside with +5 boosts...without boosts I can see why the complaints.

Close 85
Mid 92
3 90

S. Layup 85
D. Layup 72 < due to outside style
P. Fadeaway 85
P. Hook 63
P. Control 78

S. Dunk 75
Dunk 75 < due to outside style
Speed+Acceleration 79 < this isn't too bad
Vertical 88
Strength 81

Ball Control 74

Rebounding 88

L. Quickness 79
Block 86
Steal 92
Low post IQ 85

6'7 Balanced

85
84
80

90
82
85
63
83

90
87
79
88
88

The rest is the same

Inside is the worst as shooting is going to dip even lower and ball handling remains the same so having a higher layup isn't going to matter. U guys see where the complaints may roll in now?

Gathering from the stats if you're an inside SF to me that means you're a slasher. So make this slasher instead of "inside" playing style meaning you have higher ball conrol like 82 max vs 74 (considering the boosts). Your speed and acceleration is where it should be at 79. Shooting should be average-below average so like mid 70's and below because you're a slasher not a shooter (this is where better balance comes in). You go taller than 6'7 then yes your stats should suffer cuz it's past average height (correct me if I'm wrong) and ya don't see superb ball handlers in the NBA dribbling the ball like a magician at that height. For every inch you add you subtract 4 from ball handling as long as you're a slasher so it looks like this with +5 boosts:

6'7 82
6'8 78
6'9 74
6'10 70

Below average height you add 2 to ball handling

6'6 84
6'5 86...so on n so forth

2k is almost there with SF just a little more tweaking to what I mentioned. What do u guys think?

Adding the boost is skewing the numbers..