So I can't make a Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Kevin Durant in MyCareer

[El_Poopador]

Re: So I can't make a Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Kevin Durant in MyCa

6'10 outside scorer with a max jumper. Maybe max athlete and split your first 75 attributes between inside, play making, and defense. You may suffer a hit to your speed and athleticism and won't be able to carbon copy his exact attributes but you can get all his dribble moves and essentially be rookie KD straight out of the gate with the opportunity to grind out more attributes and improve him through your career. By your second season i can almost guarantee you'll either match his production or be close to it if you play on the right difficulty for your playing style.

Keep in mind, not even kd was kd now his rookie year.

Can't have it both ways. Prime kobe is balanced sg with decent shooting and slightly above average athlete. If that's not good enough for you, go completely outside scorer and only put 10 or eleven into shooting and max everything else. bam you got prime kobe. Maybe not by attributes. But you can put up numbers like he did for sure.

No one is saying that you can't put up the same numbers as the players they want to replicate; anyone can do that even if you're rated in the 70s.

But the play styles are very different when you have the caps the way they are. If I want to create a player with the speed/quickness of Rose, Westbrook, etc., I can't do that. Sure, I can try to play like them, and I can definitely put up the numbers, but they will not control the same as if I went into Play Now and actually controlled them; my player will be slower and more clunky, and it's not as fun.

What if I want to make a Magic Johnson clone? Without even looking at attribute caps I am out of luck because PGs cannot be that tall.

The biggest argument that I am seeing is that the caps are needed for balance online, but I haven't seen a single person arguing for caps to be removed online. Offline, my player should be whatever I want to make him, whether that be a 7'3" PG who is a 99 in everything, or a 70 OVR bench player.

Caps are absolutely necessary online, but offline should be fair game, because the only person it affects is the one playing and making those decisions.

[I_am_legend417]

Re: So I can't make a Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Kevin Durant in MyCa

They said that NO ONE in the league has a 99 anything when compared to the all time nba greats. That's why you can't have 99 anything.

You're not an nba Legend by your rookie, second. Or 3rd season.

I understand this, but caps aren't going to change from now until your 10th season if you go that far. They are going to stay exactly the same. They are caps. Plus lebron was a beast coming in, and this is a video game not real life. If I want to make a new lebron I should be able to.

But I can't because THE CAPS ARE THE TOP TIER. THEY WILL NOT UPGRADE IF YOU ARE A VETERAN.

Plus grinding you wouldn't expect to me a legend by the end of your first season, hence the grinding part. 5 or 6 seasons deep you should be able to improve. Ala Jordan from 3.

Shoot the best way to do it I general is at the start, you should be able to choose athletic or skillful, amazing dunker or whatever. And build around that. But i don't think speed should be tied into that.

Also where does my quote say I want to be a 99 overall. Like are you reading the post or are you assuming what you think it means?

[hanzsomehanz]

Re: So I can't make a Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Kevin Durant in MyCa

Nope... Lebron is a once in a generation, freak athlete...



I mostly play Park and it feels great not constantly playing teams that were basically Lebron at every position.

LeBron still has limitations and weaknesses son yes he should be able to be humanly remodeled in a build a " my " player mode.

LeBron has a high propensity for attempting layups against contact when driving despite carrying the size he has.

LeBron is also not an elite shooter shooter nor is his post up game at an elite level - even his driving layups still often don't fall by draw a foul.

He has his pluses but he also has his minuses and taken holistically: he is still very human.

LeBron is a very high energy guy, he's an elite playmaker with high passing IQ, he's relentless on the fast break and is s fast break maestro.

So, why should a build a my player author not be able to use LeBron strengths similarly to his own my player? Why can someone not build a freakish athletes SF who is mediocre at shooting, is strong but still not elite in the post, can drive and draw fouls but is not elite at finishing thru contact - why not?

I don't see the fear in facing a Lebron when players would also be able to create elite small forward defenders who can contend with LeBron ability and try to corner him into his weaknesses.

LeBron is not known for VC contact dunks or Klay Thompson 3s or Rud Gay middys or kyrie killer crossovers - he's an all around playmaker with intilligent offensive and defensive skills. His athleticism stands out, his Braun.



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[hanzsomehanz]

Re: So I can't make a Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Kevin Durant in MyCa

Caps can still exist without a bucket system - they existed in 11 without a bucket system.

In 11, the cap was designated based on your play style at each position.

Can LeBron not be stopped in H2H online or in team play? Is there not a strategy against Curry?

Sure, keep the height cap - 2K failed in 15 when they allowed everything to be so high within each bucket regardless of position so that on top of allowing a 7ft SF was a mess.

We really need to stop revisiting the crime scene of 2k15 however and stop recounting how dreadful 16 or 17 will be if players have more liberation to build their player to their liking.

^^ A lot of what's in place to help clean the park experience has taken place outside of the ratings booth: collision system, new dribbling mechanics, enhanced defensive radius for blocks, enhanced steal success, enhanced riding animations for on ball defense, sensitive boundaries that eliminated step back corner 3 cheese, new shooting environment that lowered the probability rate of green releases - and greens can clank now.

Threads like these invite you to look at the rating system within 2k16 for MPC - they are not exclusively fretting about Park Gameplay.

Right Now, based on circumstances: the MPC ratings environment is too restrictive because of the bucket system + very tight cap system which PG and C have most the liberation and advantage to thrive within.

I'm still a SG because that's who I always begin MPC with regardless of the circumstances.

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[hanzsomehanz]

Re: So I can't make a Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Kevin Durant in MyCa

YES YOU F-ING CAN!

Young kobe didn't have lebrons speed, he was QUICK not FAST. Wilkins was athletic, never a great shooter, westbrook is faster than me by 12 points bit I'm the same height and dominate him on allstar cuz i know he can't shoot. Melo is probably the EASIEST to recreate on your list. An inside scorer at 6'7 when max jumper, inside scoring, and halfway on anything else.



Name any player in the nba I'll tell you how to recreate his production, maybe not his stats.

To distinguish speed from quickness : we need to eliminate the bucket system - addition by subtraction.

Right now -> you are dividing the community with your pompous self righteous opinions on how things are, how they were, and how they should remain - hey, you're not the president and even he has counselors to counsel him on his decisions.

Some yall need to be more respectful of other people's opinions and views - their vision may not be in agreement with yours but don't divide the community thread with your own self wit and animosity.

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[hanzsomehanz]

Re: So I can't make a Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Kevin Durant in MyCa

what if I want to create a 7'3" center who shoots threes like ray allen? Impossible with caps

and there's zero argument against it since we've been saying (from the beginning) that this should only apply to the single player portion of MyCareer. When you go on the park or pro-am or whatever, sure, let the caps apply. But not in my own NBA universe where I should have 100% unlimited customization

I play online and I don't see why we cannot have both. Go ahead let C have an elite 3pt rating online but penalize him on his opportunity to do well in other areas of the game.

He's going to be out of position for rebounds in that role. He will also be a spot shooter. It's not physically probable for all things to be possible and so I appreciate caps for that alone - but existing physical abilities should be able to be remodeled online and offline.

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[hanzsomehanz]

Re: So I can't make a Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Kevin Durant in MyCa

Well I just happen to have the stats for these players. Now if you would, myself and others would like to know how I can recreate these players in MyCareer due to the caps?

Great share and only 15 badges - that's something needing work too: limit badges to more exclusive positions and roles and limit them to attribute perquisites so they are harder to obtain in MPC.

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[AshamanCarnage]

Re: So I can't make a Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Kevin Durant in MyCa

Why not just have an offline MyCareer option and an online MyCareer option. You choose which one you want at the very first screen, online gets caps and offline doesn't.

[hanzsomehanz]

Re: So I can't make a Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Kevin Durant in MyCa

Yea can't do that. There is a 6'9 cap on SFs...

Cannot make a Giannis Potokanoumpa? Either lol and he's not game breaking. None of these NBA players past or present are game breaking lol.

I appreciate the caps because the NBA players are also capped burnt his thread is about (mainly) the *bucket system in MPC that restricts the freedom to individually upgrade attributes.

A lot of folks are growing tired of the broad stroke system and would like to play within the caps at a more detailed level that allows personal fine tuning like when you go under the hood in a racing game and specifically tune each area of your ride for performance.

I am not advocating 99 3pt on a C or 99 handles on a C because nobody has proven that to be physically probable - I appreciate these caps for this purpose in context of ability versus probable ability against physical posssiblities.

The above fantasy is what create a player is for.

Now, have we seen under 6ft players dunk with 90+ ability? Indeed. This has been proven possible. SF with above average league speed for his position - LeBron James, Dominique and others.

We genuinely do not see 6'6+ SG with killer crossover abilities - we are not bred like that. I love the prototypical 6'6" SG, that's who I been using since 2k11 and I model myself after Jordan and Kobe as well as a little of Allen Houston and Joe Johnson.

I agree with 2K here that as you get shorter the NBA has proven to showcase better handles on guys who are below 6'6" and thus I also am an advocate that I shouldn't have access to powers that Kyrie and Curry have (in adge and ability) unless I come down to their height or until someone enters the NBA and proves otherwise that 6'6" + players can dribble as good or better than Curry and Kyrie.

I'm an advocate for marrying caps and individual attribute upgrades and removing the bucket system from the picture.

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[Tsuki]

Re: So I can't make a Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Kevin Durant in MyCa

Lmao nobody wants to talk about regression from injury or age though.

Nah that's off limits LOL

[hanzsomehanz]

Re: So I can't make a Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Kevin Durant in MyCa

I think an easy fix for this is to separate your mycareer player and your park/pro am player.

In mycareer you are free to build your player as you like you can literally grind to a 99 in everything.

In park/pro am you have the attribute caps for your position they you can grind towards and everybody is under this rule, so the game stays balanced.

2nd solution. Have overall caps for each position however you can spend your points as much as you want for any attribute. Got a 7'1 Center with 99 3pt expect that you wont be able to have points for your speed and layup because you have decided to dump so many points into outside shooting and you have reached the overall cap. This option allows for more variety of players as well which in turn keeps the game balanced.

^If either of those solutions dont make y'all happy pop in 2k13 or something idk what to tell you.

Good points and to your last one: as an example, a scoring gaurd should have a higher scoring cap than other positions and roles. The scoring cap for a G and C should not be the same.

Player A chooses to build a scoring C and wants to focus on 3s being his speciality. OK, no C I know of has been a premier 3pt shooter let alone a C at 7ft plus so your scoring cap here should still be reasonably low based on physical probability to carry out this task.

Player B chooses to build an athletic C and wants to highlight vertical ability. Again, don't know too many C who are 7ft plus with radical vertical ability so your cap here should be reasonably low based on physical probability to carry out the task.

The harmony here is the user is able to distribute his points incrementally by his own desire within the cap structure.

It really is high time we get rid of these attribute buckets and also start making the badge system more meaningfully based on ability specific attributes thst must be met and also specific to limited roles / playstyles and positions.

I'm still wondering why my balanced SG is given so much strength and maybe to a detriment as I would rather he be more slick like a Rick than strong like a Lebron.

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[Jhawkfootball06]

Re: So I can't make a Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Kevin Durant in MyCa

Once again, aside from speed you can essentially replicate each player almost to the T as far as playstyle maybe not OVR or even by EXACT attributes. But if you put these player combos about to detail against each of these players in blacktop i can get you pretty darn close, and it's actually pretty easy.

Keep in mind youre starting as a ROOKIE so we'll try and make ROOKIE versions of these stars.


Young kobe is too easy. 6'6 sg, maybe play with weight a bit to see if you can't crank out a couple more speed points, but inside scorer def. About 16 or 17 into athlete, max shooter, about 16 in defense for minimum required for lockdown, high inside scorer with the sacrifice coming on play making so you still have some rounding of your game out though your first few seasons. Remember, as a rookie kobe didn't play much because they called him "showboat". Good handles, unwilling passer.

Melo,

Definitely inside scorer again, high inside scoring, maybe 16 or 17, medium athlete, decent passing, max shooting, decent rebounding, almost nothing on defense.

Wilkins, see kobe almost.



It's too easy to match someone's playstyle. Will you match them attribute for attribute? Maybe not but it'll be close.


Let's just get young lebron out of the way as well.

Balanced SF with max athlete, 16 on defense, decent rebounding, high inside scoring and whatever else on play making.

Too easy.

Starting out as a Rookie? What are you talking about?

Nowhere in MyCareer can I make a 6'6" SG (Kobe).

Here are the caps for a 6'6" balanced SG.

Young Kobe
89 speed - CAP is 80
94 Standing shot mid - CAP is 81
98 Driving Layup - CAP is 77
95 Driving Dunk - CAP is 77

[Fista Roboto]

Re: So I can't make a Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Kevin Durant in MyCa

But it helped fix up the park. Because nobody plays MyCareer itself guys, they only play the Park. Don't see why they cant just cap your players in The Park. Makes a whole lot more sense.

[Professor Of Chaos]

Re: So I can't make a Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Kevin Durant in MyCa

It's a video game for christs sake

It's a videogame I want to enjoy, and balancing in MyPark helps that happen.

[Professor Of Chaos]

Re: So I can't make a Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Kevin Durant in MyCa

And if I want to create a once in a lifetime player like LeBron I can't?

That has nothing to do with the game being sim.

If you haven't noticed 2K gives us far more customisation in other modes.

No... If you can do it, everyone can... That means you'll run into entire teams of "once in a generation talents" online, and that's what 2k is trying to avoid.... If you want to create a SuperStar, utilize the Create-A-Player feature and go crazy.