Err, is there something wrong with 3pt shooting?

[Taer]

Re: Err, is there something wrong with 3pt shooting?

Just to clarify: I knew about the penalties well before this. So what I did was attempt 3s either after a pick-n-pop or during transition where I fade towards the corner and try for 3s.

I think I might've found a possible cause: Because of the shot animation I was using, I might've ended up stepping on the line for a few of those attempts. Which is probably what causes me to have worse percentage than what it should be. I'll play a few games with another shot animation to test it out.

Also be aware that this year, you really need to give yourself an extra moment to "plant your feet" after whatever you use to get open. This is anti-zig-zag mechanics coming into play. It is not as smooth as it should be to catch-and-shoot.

I had two shots my last game, same spot on the floor, same circumstances (no defender within 10 feet) and on the first I started my shot immediately on receiving the kick-back. Perfect "A" release but it went 3/4ths of the way down then popped out.

On the next play, I initiated the same exact sequence but this time I paused to let the "catch" animation play through and it went in perfectly.

This is anecdotal but it illustrates that we gotta play within the mechanics deployed to fight the cheese tactics to succeed.

Edit: Also, shot fatigue is real. Remember, LD2K used Kobe all game long in their live-feed and by the end of the game, even Ronnie was able to beat him easily.

Just for comparison, my last game I played 28 minutes and I had 10 fewer shots than you. Yet, I know I was experiencing shot fatigue (after the game the Gaterade symbol was there to confirm fatigue). Just think about that. You had 10 more attempts than I did with 10 less minutes.

You'll succeed soon.

[trandoanhung1991]

Re: Err, is there something wrong with 3pt shooting?

Yep, it seems like it's the animation causing me to step on the line that causes my % to plummet. Changed to a more concise animation and seems fine since.

[JoFri]

Re: Err, is there something wrong with 3pt shooting?

On the next play, I initiated the same exact sequence but this time I paused to let the "catch" animation play through and it went in perfectly.

i realise this too. agree!


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[Snowmonkey92]

Re: Err, is there something wrong with 3pt shooting?

It's funny how people never learn. Last year 3's were alright and YOU decided to complain about it, then 2k released patch 4 who absolutely RUINED the game.

For once and for all, even the best shooter on earth will shot below 50% !!!! IT'S NORMAL !! If you think having a 90+ 3s rating should give you the ability to make 80% of your open shot then you will have a really bad time playing this game.
It kinda simple, check your 3pts%, if you're a shooter (85+) it should be between 40% and 50% (superstar or HoF), below : you need to change your shot animation and/or work on your timing and shot selection, above : congrats man, you're good, past 60% : Difficulty is to low, change it....except if you think how nba should be and if you're unable to win a game without 3pts cheese.

At the end of the day, I DO understand that nba 2k is not meant to be an easy game and that people who doesn't know lot about basketball gaming should still be able to enjoy it the way they want to enjoy it (only shooting 3 is way easier than post game for ex). But PLEASE : Stop complaining about 3's!!!! You will ruined the game just like you did ruined 2k15. 2k16 is a complex game, with a lot of ways to win a game and just as many ways to adapt you defense against all the weapons your opponent has, but all these will become pointless if you only need do zig-zag and throw a 3 that you will make 80% of the time.

[trandoanhung1991]

Re: Err, is there something wrong with 3pt shooting?

It's funny how people never learn. Last year 3's were alright and YOU decided to complain about it, then 2k released patch 4 who absolutely RUINED the game.

For once and for all, even the best shooter on earth will shot below 50% !!!! IT'S NORMAL !! If you think having a 90+ 3s rating should give you the ability to make 80% of your open shot then you will have a really bad time playing this game.
It kinda simple, check your 3pts%, if you're a shooter (85+) it should be between 40% and 50% (superstar or HoF), below : you need to change your shot animation and/or work on your timing and shot selection, above : congrats man, you're good, past 60% : Difficulty is to low, change it....except if you think how nba should be and if you're unable to win a game without 3pts cheese.

At the end of the day, I DO understand that nba 2k is not meant to be an easy game and that people who doesn't know lot about basketball gaming should still be able to enjoy it the way they want to enjoy it (only shooting 3 is way easier than post game for ex). But PLEASE : Stop complaining about 3's!!!! You will ruined the game just like you did ruined 2k15. 2k16 is a complex game, with a lot of ways to win a game and just as many ways to adapt you defense against all the weapons your opponent has, but all these will become pointless if you only need do zig-zag and throw a 3 that you will make 80% of the time.

After a few games with a different shooting animation, my shot percentage went up to normal.

So what happened was that the animation I chose before had a tendency to cause me to step on the line and do a very long 2 instead of a 3, which seems to have terrible percentage compared to either a long 2 or a 3. That's probably what caused my percentage to drop so low.

Let me edit the OP to make this more clear to avoid further pointless discussions about shooting.

I'd still like more discussion on CPU 3pt shooting, though. It seems a bit too OP for the ratings, even on Superstar/Sim.

[Snowmonkey92]

Re: Err, is there something wrong with 3pt shooting?

I'd still like more discussion on CPU 3pt shooting, though. It seems a bit too OP for the ratings, even on Superstar/Sim.

Glad you fixed your 3s issue.
About CPU %, The difference between human players and CPUs is the amount of 3s attempted. I think their % against us(because season % is normal) has to be high since they will only take few of them. I did noticed the CPU always has a better % than mine, but our total 3 made is always very close.

[mrprice33]

Re: Err, is there something wrong with 3pt shooting?

I can't stand KD's release, can't get it down for the life of me...


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I saw you post about it in another thread, so I did some testing, and it's really weird. It almost seems like it's bugged. I checked with shot meter on and off, and with it on, it seems like there's a little bit of latency on the button release.

[Sundown]

Re: Err, is there something wrong with 3pt shooting?

Whatever. I've played nearly 200 games online to know what I know. Let my feet settle? Really? Lmao. It's a nba player, they catch the ball settling their feet at the same time. They teach u that in high school bro. This not elementary. Nba players catch ready to shoot. I mean, If ur a shooter u would know that.

Everyone knows it. But are you actually doing it with the mechanics given by the game to do it, or are you just running at a full tilt and then shooting it off dribble expecting the game to do it for you when it's actually a momentum shot?

It's also possible to pass the ball too early and shoot too early if the player is still in motion. I believe Da Czar had shown that mechanic years back, which is actually consistent with actual basketball.

You can be incredulous, but have you actually made sure you're increasing your chances of making a shot with the mechanics the game has given you, especially when you may have what seems to be abnormally low success rates doing basic things compared with others?

[Sundown]

Err, is there something wrong with 3pt shooting?

And ppl love to act like the game Is perfect when it's far from it. I play the game every day. Even with the flaws, I still play it. I just come to except it for what it is tho. I know my limitations in this game and I play it accordingly. I know I can't really hit two 3s back to back so I try not to. I know I cant really hit 3s off the dribble like some guys do in real life so I know not to do it. I know if u get a open shot from a design play ur chances are better than if u got that same open shot by chance. 2k penalizes u it seems for not running plays. And if u tubo down court, even when open u likely will miss if u pull up for 3. Just because u turbo. I know blocks are over powered. Like i say, It's a video game bro. It's not a true sim. I hate when ppl act like it's perfect when it's not. All I'm saying

I completely agree that there are things that Curry can do in real life that he can't in game, like step backs from a stand still with high accuracy. That's a huge shame and I consider it an oversight that standstill side step shots are much more penalized than shots after size ups and other escapes and dribbles.

But you are complaining about basic things like wide open shots that he CAN do in game. And when given advice on things to watch for because the game is actually a sim (with some aspects over tuned in trying to be simulation), you seem to ignore it and assert that you should be successful in a sim by playing it without much care for control specifics AS a video game.

I-should-be-able-to-turbo-down-court-and-hit-threes sounds more like a causal than a sim player, if you're not asking yourself if you're doing the same things the game wants you to do that Curry does when he does take a transition three, like letting go of the left stick to simulate planting his feet. If you actually are doing these things, then the problem lies somewhere else. But if you even refuse to consider how the game's movement/shot/sim model is designed then there's not much that can help you even in areas where the game is functional and realistic.

And again, what do you expect Curry's open shot percentage to be? He misses half of them in real life.

[Sundown]

Re: Err, is there something wrong with 3pt shooting?

It's funny how people never learn. Last year 3's were alright and YOU decided to complain about it, then 2k released patch 4 who absolutely RUINED the game.



For once and for all, even the best shooter on earth will shot below 50% !!!! IT'S NORMAL !! If you think having a 90+ 3s rating should give you the ability to make 80% of your open shot then you will have a really bad time playing this game.

It kinda simple, check your 3pts%, if you're a shooter (85+) it should be between 40% and 50% (superstar or HoF), below : you need to change your shot animation and/or work on your timing and shot selection, above : congrats man, you're good, past 60% : Difficulty is to low, change it....except if you think how nba should be and if you're unable to win a game without 3pts cheese.



At the end of the day, I DO understand that nba 2k is not meant to be an easy game and that people who doesn't know lot about basketball gaming should still be able to enjoy it the way they want to enjoy it (only shooting 3 is way easier than post game for ex). But PLEASE : Stop complaining about 3's!!!! You will ruined the game just like you did ruined 2k15. 2k16 is a complex game, with a lot of ways to win a game and just as many ways to adapt you defense against all the weapons your opponent has, but all these will become pointless if you only need do zig-zag and throw a 3 that you will make 80% of the time.

2K15 wasn't ruined so much by complaints about threes per set as it was by people fixated on the green-is-automatic mechanic. The hitches on many animations that made greens rare also happened to be how the game was probably unintentionally tuned to be played with.

When the greens were "fixed" because of an obsession with the gimmicky, gamey mechanic, it completely unbalanced the system by allowing proper shot timing to override the sim engine.

[Snowmonkey92]

Re: Err, is there something wrong with 3pt shooting?

2K15 wasn't ruined so much by complaints about threes per set as it was by people fixated on the green-is-automatic mechanic. The hitches on many animations that made greens rare also happened to be how the game was probably unintentionally tuned to be played with.

When the greens were "fixed" because of an obsession with the gimmicky, gamey mechanic, it completely unbalanced the system by allowing proper shot timing to override the sim engine.

We'll see, I'm pretty sure the patch 3 (coming in november according to 2k) will include a 3pts % boost. Let's face it, 2k has to keep their casual gamers happy, 2k15was too elitist so they made it casual-friendly by giving us the possibility to win a game with 3s only. 2k16 is fine, of course it's not perfect and there's still some issues they need to fix, but 3pts is not one of them.

[Sundown]

Re: Err, is there something wrong with 3pt shooting?

We'll see, I'm pretty sure the patch 3 (coming in november according to 2k) will include a 3pts % boost. Let's face it, 2k has to keep their casual gamers happy, 2k15was too elitist so they made it casual-friendly by giving us the possibility to win a game with 3s only. 2k16 is fine, of course it's not perfect and there's still some issues they need to fix, but 3pts is not one of them.

The only thing I would touch about three point shooting right now is decreasing the step-shot penalty from a standstill for shooters that are very high on moving threes and have the Shot Creator and/or Stepback Freeze badges-- or somehow distinguish guys who step back as a rhythm shot consistently (Curry, Harden, Durant, etc) from those who can't.

When Curry pumps his defender in the air and does a side step three, it's almost automatic. When you do it in game, it looks so much like him, but it drastically reduces his accuracy compared with just running sideways then stopping and shooting (which a step shot should be easier than), or using a left tap (doesn't get much separation and has a hitch).

[MadManCometh]

Re: Err, is there something wrong with 3pt shooting?

Everyone knows it. But are you actually doing it with the mechanics given by the game to do it, or are you just running at a full tilt and then shooting it off dribble expecting the game to do it for you when it's actually a momentum shot?

It's also possible to pass the ball too early and shoot too early if the player is still in motion. I believe Da Czar had shown that mechanic years back, which is actually consistent with actual basketball.

You can be incredulous, but have you actually made sure you're increasing your chances of making a shot with the mechanics the game has given you, especially when you may have what seems to be abnormally low success rates doing basic things compared with others?

Lmao@low success rates. Dude I didn't say I didn't win games. I win many. I'm 1 win away from the hall of fame league online. However, I win within the game limitations. Therefore since I know the game issues, I also know how to make other teams miss as well. I know what u can do and can't do and use it to my advantage. I probably can play u online and beat u and make u absolutely hate the game. I also hit 3s but I do it the way the game is design to be played. I feel it's not realistic, that's my opinion. U don't have to agree bro. No need to turn this a big back and forth deal. Anytime we can play online and u can see my success rate for yourself lol.

[Ownal0t]

Re: Err, is there something wrong with 3pt shooting?

so me and my friend wanted to see if 3's were really broken. and we did a myteam match on pro with our squads. and called it the "Its gon Rain " Challenge. after the game , we both seemed to agree that the 3s are fine. its just annoying to miss a wide open look,HOWEVER. we both felt like there were lots of fouls that were missed (maybe cayse we played in broadcast cause i was showing off the court) . but that was about it. i feel like most people who missed 3s are missing the RnG 3s and not geting settled. and what not. but here is the video and a picture of our shot charts. if you like basketball i reconmend you dont look here. lol



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[trandoanhung1991]

Re: Err, is there something wrong with 3pt shooting?

And again, what do you expect Curry's open shot percentage to be? He misses half of them in real life.

But a lot of the 3s he takes are contested/off the dribble. If he just spots up I'm sure his % is going to be way higher.

Personally, I think the closest thing to an open NBA-game 3pt shot is the 3pt contest and curry went 15-25 there. That's 60%, pretty darn good.

In the final round, he went 20-25. That's 80%, holy ****.